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Laelth
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posted October 23, 2004 12:29 AM |
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Vadskye91
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posted October 23, 2004 03:18 AM |
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I agree, Laelth. Check this out...
U.S. perception versus global reality
It's hard to know who to blame - the
administration, the media, or lack of public
interest - but Bush supporters mistakenly believe
that the current administration supports the
following international agreements by these
percentages:
66% International Criminal Court
72% Mine Ban Treaty
69% Comprehensive Test Ban Treaty
51% Kyoto Accords on global warming
Source: Institute for Agriculture and Trade
Policy
And Bush doesn't support any of those.
Note: Full article can be found at This Site. It's a PDF though, sorry about that.
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RedSoxFan3
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posted October 23, 2004 06:56 AM |
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I really thought it was interesting how all of those issues at the end were carefully chosen. Those issues I could give a **** about. Like the mines treaty.
Bush supporters like Bush because he's a strong leader who actually HAS an opinion and doesn't like Kerry because he's a big phony who can't actually give his real opinion, because he knows no one will vote for him. The guy is an extreme liberal who is currently running a campaign contradicting everything he did in office for the past 20 years.
I think it's terrible that the Demoratic party can't have people like Joe Liebermann who run a campaign based on ideas and principles instead of a bunch of garbage. There's a democrat I can respect. Even if I didn't agree with most of what he did, I at least know he is in office with a plan and an idea to improve the office. He has morals and a foundation to do as much as he can. A slimeball like Kerry sickens me. He has no morals. He has no ideas that are built from what he truly believes.
He is campaigning what he thinks people want to hear. Sure everyone is going to do that. It's common sense, but unlike Kerry, George Bush doesn't campaign against his own opinions.
This holds true for why we support George Bush. It's not about the trivial issues that we know John Kerry is lying through his teeth. It's that we know at least George Bush does what he thinks is best that and they are mostly republcians, so he also has the same general philosophy as on economics and military philosophy as mine. Peace through strength. It's how the Cold War was won. It's the best way to defeat terrorism.
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posted October 23, 2004 08:35 AM |
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RSF, I could kiss you. That's the most beautiful thing I've ever heard you say. I agree whole heartedly. 
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Defreni
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posted October 23, 2004 10:48 AM |
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Well RSF, its actually not a big conspiracy to make Bush voters look stupid. Look at the source of the polling. Institute for trade and agriculture. Thats actually one of the thing said institute is supposed to do.
Btw. Its very funny how Kerry have switched from being a flip-flopper pre-debates to now being the biggest liberal in US history, post debates. Does that have anything to do with a switch in Bush campaign?
Regards
Defreni
PS: If you share Bush economic views, I would like your take on Free-trade policies. Pro or con?
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Laelth
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posted October 23, 2004 03:28 PM |
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Edited By: Laelth on 23 Oct 2004
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If his being "steadfast and strong" is the only reason to support Bush, then there's absolutely no reason to support Bush. Bush is more of a flip-flopper than Kerry (to anyone who's willing to open their eyes--or, to the ostrich who's willing to pull his head out of the sand).
Need proof: Bush Flip-Flops
But that's what Suskind's essay, "Beyond a Doubt," and the PIPA report show. Many Republicans don't want to pull their heads out of the sand. They want to follow their leader blindly. They don't want to "see" reality. For them, blind faith in their leader is all that's required.
Those of us on the left consider this attitude very dangerous.
-Laelth
Edit:Laelth--had to remove apostrophe from URL text.
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Lews_Therin
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posted October 23, 2004 03:52 PM |
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I´d like to add that opportunism certainly isn´t a nice trait of character. And I agree that some of Kerry´s actions are rather suspicious in that regard, to say the least.
But by a margin of - let´s say a 100 times - I rather have an opportunist president, than a person who is not able or willing to recognize his own mistakes. Who expects reality to adapt to his own wishes. Who is convinced that his decisions must be right no matter what, because his presidency is the will of god.
That´s a very dangerous kind of person to have as president. Especially in times like these, when there are critical decisions to make, about war and peace, life and death of thousands.
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Lews_Therin
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posted October 23, 2004 05:00 PM |
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And yeah, what we really need here in "Other Side" is mods who give QPs when their own ideological bias is being fondled. Can it get any more pathetic?
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Defreni
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posted October 23, 2004 11:05 PM |
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Hehee Lews.
I remember when you got QPs for trying to smoothe things over.
Btw I read a translated article by US journalist Mark Hertsgaard, unfortunately it didnt specify which paper he writes for. (Probably freelance) "Why foreigners love USA, but hates Bush". Interestengly enough it pretty much summed up my attitude.
For one, I wouldnt be without Robert Nozicks epistemology, but his dablings in political philosophy is meager at most. (One long attack on Rawls, and a defence for libertarians. His arguments are lacking alot, compared to his other writings).
My point is, that the US elections have a huge impact on what goes on in the world. Thats why I for one am so interested (and have a vested interest) in its outcome.
To quote the CEO from Denmarks only multinational coorporation Mærsk McKinney Møller: "Dem der har evnen, har også forpligtigelsen" it roughly translate to something like "Those that have the ability, also have the obligations (or responsibility)".
Regards
Defreni
PS: Nice to hear from you again Lews.
Btw if you find "Wheel of time" as boring as I do, after the first 3 books, try out Steven Eriksons "Malazan: Book of the ´fallen". George R.R. Martins and Robin Hobb is also excellent
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bort
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posted October 23, 2004 11:12 PM |
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So a post that violates the CoC receives a QP. Could it possibly be because it supports Bush? Nah, that couldn't be it. Know what, I want a QP too, so here goes:
I LOVE Bush! Starting a war for a lie is fantastic! As an added bonus, the war has created more terrorists! That means we get to have more wars in the future! Huzzah! I love the way Bush sticks to his guns no matter how far his aim is off! That shows character! I love how he made jokes about not being able to find WMD! It's so cool that he thinks the fact that over 1000 US soldiers died because of his lie is funny! It shows that he has a sense of humor! GO BUSH GO! Four more wars! I mean years! Well, can't we have both?
Man, that should get me two QPs or even more!
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Khaelo
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posted October 23, 2004 11:41 PM |
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off topic: mod hat
For the record, Wolfman checked with me before QPing RSF's post. Partisan, yes. Violation of CoC, I don't see. 
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Wolfman
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posted October 23, 2004 11:44 PM |
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Thank you for clearing that up, Khaelo.
Latest polls, look pretty good...
Gallop Poll
52% Bush
44% Kerry
CNN Poll
49% Bush
46% Kerry
NewsWeek Poll
48% Bush
46% Kerry
TIME Magazine Poll
51% Bush
46% Kerry
I thought this was interesting…
The Marital Gap
Bush Kerry
Marrieds 58% 37
Singles 38 60
Married Men 59 37
Single Men 39 60
Married Women 56 37
Single Women 37 60
And don’t forget to vote for Nader…
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Consis
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posted October 24, 2004 01:49 AM |
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Edited By: Consis on 23 Oct 2004
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I Agree With bort
I think bort is right but since neither he nor I are moderators(starting to wonder if I should have said yes) then I guess we deserve to be ignored for the complaints we have. If getting a Qp means checking in with Khaelo to approve it then I might as well hand in all of my stars right now.
bort is absolutely correct. In the Tavern, Svarog gains a qp for posting two words: "a zebra" Here in the Other Side american partisanship deserves getting a qp. Frankly, I don't know how either of these posts qualify as top 2% material. Far be it from me to question the decisions of the moderators.
Seriously though, who the hell are these posts supposed to inspire? Isn't that the reasoning for getting a qp? I know for a fact that ThE_HyDrA gives qp's only to those whom he feels are inspiring not only to himself, but also to other members. Yes, I'm afraid I'm going to need some clarification on who these posts inspire. I am at a loss for answers at this point in time. Befuddled, confused, and absent, you name it, that's me. In a word: clueless
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Targan
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posted October 24, 2004 07:28 AM |
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lol the mod gave a QP only because he agreed on that opinion, thats strange i thought the mod should give the QP:s from a neutral perspective?
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posted October 24, 2004 07:58 AM |
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The government is too elite. And the people are to fixated on two almost similar sides..
Our vote helps one or the other? The elites pick the canidates. Polotics worldwide is a main cause of the most everyday lives with misc levels of uneeded pain and demoralization
(sorry i edit and never finish )
man kind are kind of hopeless, however i say this with natzii minded criminal insanes .. if these threats didnt exist the world would be a much better place but the terrorists are selfish, almost like american politics.
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RedSoxFan3
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posted October 24, 2004 08:35 AM |
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Bort is jealous because I have more QPs than he does now.  jk
No but seriously, this is probably the most accurate portrayal of what Repbulicans dislike about the Democratic party. Even many FORMER democrats are disgusted with where the democratic party has gone hence the reason they are FORMER. The democrats will say what they need to say in order to get elected. The republicans say what they feel (for the most part) and the party member that can best give the nation what they want is the one who is elected.
Back in the 80s when Reagan was in office. Reagan had the approach of peace through strength. John Kerry basically contradicted every idea and thought that Ronald Reagan had. He was the parallel opposite to Reagan. The man was completely against any confrontations, but look at what happened? The Cold War was basically ended because of Reagan. Had we listened to John Kerry back in the 80s, we would have more on our minds than just terrorists.
So now all of a sudden, Kerry magically adopts this philosophy when election time rolls around. Let me tell you this aint' how he feels. I honestly think that anyone who can't see this is naive. The only reason, in my opinion, people can't see this (or they can see it an refuse to believe it) is that they hate Bush so much that they simply want the guy who is going to beat Bush. And let me tell you Kerry is feeding off the fears and hate of George Bush... to a tee. So far I haven't seen him propose one plan that doesn't have a base of... "I'm gonna do what Bush isn't gonna do" or "Bush is going to start up the draft again"
And in the presidential debate he made fun of Bush saying things like... "It's a hard job..."
He even brought up things like his daughter being a lesbian. That was completely uncalled for. It was petty and the only reason he said that is because the black community is statistically known for being liberal as well as many other minorities. Also the black community is also known for being against gay marriage. Trust me that was only meant to dig at the rift between the black people and the homosexuals.
That's another thing that the democrats do. They make pin groups of people against each other. It's the rich against the poor. It's the blacks against the homosexuals. It's whatever. It pisses me off. It's cheap. I'm getting angry just thinking about this. 
So I'll stop talking about this... MAN if that's what you want to even call him.
As for Laelth. Your post in the other forum, I have another rebuttal to explain the difference between Bush's minor flip-flop and Kerry's huge flip-flop.
Basically it sums down to this. The situations that George Bush was presented with are very unique, but his base philosophy on miltary and economy has not changed. He's still pretty conservative.
Kerry on the other hand for the past 20 years has been an extreme liberal basically passing nothing in office. I've heard that he did pass a few bills in his time, but everyone I've asked can't tell me. They can't tell me what exactly it was that he did. It's my guess that they weren't important, but I shouldn't be making that assumption. I'll give him the benefit of the doubt. My point is that he only passed 5 bills in 20 years. So that means that he gets to get off his ass once every 4 years to do a little bit of work. My guess is that if these bills were so great and important, we'd be hearing about them constantly. The point is he has a record of doing NOTHING or close to it.
A man who sits by idly is not a man I want in office when dealing with terrorism. I want someone who is proactive. I was watching The O'Reilly Factor and they had John Kerry's campaign advisor on there.
O'Reilly asked this...
Quote:
What does is John Kerry's plan that he keeps talking about?
Answer: "He's going to get into office and see what the situation is and then go from there."
Oh boy! That's... Great! He's really the man with the plan. Look this guy is basically running the campaign that is basically everything that Bush isn't. He doesn't have a plan. He doesn't have a better solution. If I actually saw real ideas to improve the situation, I might consider voting for him.
Ya know he's talked about how he would have waited around for the UN to go into Iraq. The UN doesn't do anything. You really expect John Kerry a guy who already hasn't been doing much of anything, is gonna do anything about Terrorism and Iraq and then do it through the UN?
Come on!
Edit - I hope this helps convince people that my partisan ideas are a bit less partisan, that they do have some ideas, that I like to call common sense, behind them. jk
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Celfious
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posted October 24, 2004 08:45 AM |
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What you people are looking for, is a peaceful and easy way of healthy safe life. Instead, primates banter over republican/bush or democrat/kerry,
Unfortunatly the ideology is so politicaly inplanted in its communities we are seemingly faced with only few decisions in how our lives should be.
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posted October 24, 2004 08:49 AM |
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Oh for the record I actually used the *s when I posted. If you look again in the CoC it says that excessive profanity is against CoC. However if you must use such a word. Remove it with ****. Just to clarify things...
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Defreni
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posted October 24, 2004 12:11 PM |
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RSF, you make a distinction between Kerrys major flip-flops and Bushs minor.
This I would say is a clear-cut case of "Eye-of-the-beholder".
What you call a minor flip-flop I call a major, if not humonguos.
Most campaign analyst have called the 2000 election a battle of the middle. Both candidates knew that it was here Victory lay. So Bush went into the presidency with campaign pledges that he was a uniter not a divider, a consensus president that would look towards bipartisan policies.
This with a 20/20 hindsight is simply not true.
Bush has been the extreme divider in american politics. And I know what you are going to say next. 9/11 changed all things, all bets where off. Well actually Bush started his one tracked extreme right policies long before 9/11.
Eventhough he put moderate republicans as Colin Powell and Frank O`Neill into office, which made the perception that he indeed was a middle seeking president. He blindsided both of them time and time again before 9/11.
This constitutes for me a major flip-flop, aswell as taking some off your critisism out of Democrats saying anything to get elected, while Republicans saying what they mean.
George Walker Bush said anything in 2000 to get elected, and then he ran away from it as soon as he got the chance. Consensus and working together is obviously words that are not in his vocabulary. Oh wait they are in his vocabulary, he used them in 2000, he just doesnt understand the meanings of these words.
Regards
Defreni
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Laelth
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posted October 24, 2004 08:28 PM |
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RSF, respectfully:
I could give you John Kerry's complete legislative record, if you wanted, but it wouldn't matter would it? I consider that a pretty weak attack on someone who has been a public servant all his adult life, especially when compared to the man who spent most of his life trying to avoid public service.
All politicians flip-flop. That's what reasonable people do when the world changes. They change positions. Yet, it seems when Bush does it, it's OK. If Kerry does it, it's unacceptable--a sign of weakness.
Finally, man, you got to stop watching Fox. That's nothing less than Republican party propaganda. It's not fair. It's not balanced. It's not news. An independant study has shown that people who watch Fox are much less informed about the state of the world than those who get their news from other sources. Watch the movie Outfoxed. It explains a lot.
Peace,
-Laelth
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