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BountyHunter97
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posted May 24, 2004 01:32 AM

Morrowind-Eldar Scrolls 3, worth buying?

title says all, is it worth paying the 20 bucks to get it? and is it good/fun and long?

i just want some feeback... im thinking about buying the game, my friend said it was fun but ive never accualy played it

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Lews_Therin
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posted May 24, 2004 01:56 AM

Hello Bountyhunter,

I bought and played the game awhile ago. It has many very nice aspects, but unfortunately thereīs also a large number of flaws. The leveling system is not based on experience, but on practice and/or gold, which makes it highly exploitable. Might is always much stronger than magic - even in the hands of a spellcaster! And worst of all, once your character has reached some strenght, you wonīt find a challenging combat anywhere in the game. Not even as a sorcerer whoīs wielding a sword ...

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BountyHunter97
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King of all that is Chicken
posted May 24, 2004 02:00 AM

so in other words dont buy it? would i b bettr off with daiblo 2?
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Lews_Therin
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posted May 24, 2004 02:07 AM

Well, buy it only if you donīt mind the game becoming very easy very quickly. But if you are interested in a really good game thatīs similar to Morrowind, try Gothic 2 + expansion. (Gothic 1 isnīt bad either, and shouldnīt cost you more than 5$ by now).
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BountyHunter97
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King of all that is Chicken
posted May 24, 2004 02:14 AM

is there more than 1 difficulty setting? cause it looks cool... only 20 bucks id mite as well buy it
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Lews_Therin
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posted May 24, 2004 02:33 AM

I donīt remember exactly, but I surely made it as difficult as possible. I even downloaded a mod to make it more difficult, and played a sorcerer with a sword.

And when I tried to sell it at Ebay for 10 Euros, noone was willing to buy ...
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Celfious
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posted May 24, 2004 03:06 AM
Edited By: Celfious on 23 May 2004

Bounty hunter.. I am so glad to help you on this.

I bought the Xbox and PC versions.

It kicks some major *** seriously and 20 bucks I would buy it again except I know what happens after about 40 hours game play.

A: Way to many questions to ask people by now. Every Singe Person that you talk to with no information whatsoever will usualy have a list of questions to ask. But the worst part about this is, on average there will be 20 questions to ask people (sometimes more, rarely none).

B: I collect the light weight objects of extreme high value. This is because no merchant can really aford to pay for your war gatherings. Example is a dradon Spear. Worth massive amounts of gold that no merchant has. It weighs 45 punds though.

You have to trade with merchants the expensive heavy things for their light weight semi expensive things (many many of these) just to sell some objects. A scroll of great value is like 2000 gold, and weighs perhaps .5 LBs.. You'll have alot of this crap.

Those are the 2 negatives I find very hard to deal with. The worst part about it all, is "checking" wether or not these people know anything, with that vast list of questions. (theres sort of alot of people too)

Bounty hunter, I had alot more fun and game play with morrowind 3, than I had with diablo 2. I was tired of diablo2 because of the desert portion of the game.

Morrowind has many great elements of excellent games.
(and the practice experience thing, surely isnt all bad infact its interesting. You have more character development with this method than I've seen in most games (especialy experience based ones)

I recomend make the purchase. The art, scenery, and many things about it are good. And mabey you will even make it all the way through (unlike i cuz I got sick of asking all those questions). Actualy, if I play it again I would have to start over cuz i messed up the saves. I saved over the personal checkpoint I made -just before I went on a killing spree.

Speaking of killing, make sure you dont kill important people because the theivs guild (theres many fighters, theivs, and mages guilds and about 5-7 more factions which you will easily find quests) sort of hated me cuz I killed someone I didnt even know who they were talking about

If I start over I'll make sure I dont kill these people unless I'm sure they have no friends

oh 2 more thing.. hmmmm
oh yeah
Consider the mages vs fighters (might vs magic) similar to dungeons and dragons. A mage is gonna have low hit points and be a weak magic caster until higher levels. A mage is less useful to the party than the fighter until the mage reaches high levels.
The difference in this game, is you can aquire high levels with all particular magics. If you get in good with a mages guild you can have cheap training all the way to level 99 in misc schools of magic.

But it is your own path do it any way you want. (if your a fighter, the games a bit easier at first and you can work with magic later on) theres alll kinds of different paths you can take-statisticly and gameplay. (gameplay, lets say theres well over 100 paths you can take, but taking one dosnt have to exclude the other) which was the soul intentions of the game writers, if I recall..

-sorry about the ramble, any questions?
I wouldnt mind knowing who would win with all 99 stats. Argonian? HighElf? Human? Nord? (ect) and they each have a different sign under the stars aswell. My point is, who would really win with maxed states? We may never know but I feel the awnser is very very simple. We'll never know unless someone who actualy thought of the question did the calculations. ALthough there is a vast number of spells and you can even make some of your own which powress is limited by your own skill (extreme levels of possibility hehehe. go figure)

BTW, it takes along time until you reach a point where all fights are easy. I recomend this game. You will learn alot of what to do.

Infact, see my next post for an incomplete list of things to do.
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Celfious
Celfious


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Legendary Hero
From earth
posted May 24, 2004 04:28 AM
Edited By: Celfious on 23 May 2004

*Trap spirits to give high charges to new items you either enchant, or pay someone to enchant.
*Stealth mode lets you walk unnoticed and steal (easy to develop by CHEATing, but I dont really recomend using the cheat to an extensive degree, but technicly you can reach level 8 or so by letting the game run on stealth mode and have a superior ability to search people and steal from them VS killing a merchant for his lightweight glass daggars
*take quests from a very broad selection of sources including on the road quests.
* Quest items (but their mixed into regz). Dont sell these! Make sure clothing dosnt say "guiniveres ring" ect.
* beautiful scenery. Even 20 hours into the game you'll see new cool places and things out of this world (never seen before morowind) including enviroment, monsters, (enviroment covers alot of things)
* Music never anoyed me. Infact I think some of its fairly genios. It goes very well with the game.
* All kinds of stat development elements and varieties. If your like me, able to play a sports game especialy if theres character development, then you might love morrowind. (example techmo super bowl 3 for super nes)
* Lets say you (you bountyhunter) are droped in the middle of japan with things to do in each direction. No matter which way you turn you'll learn your way around that vicinity, and find new quests, items, things to steal, merchants to trade with, ect.  This is like morowind except its smaller and well, alot of other differences tthan japan (On PC version, dont forget to get the patches from the official site)
* The law is a problem, but you can do 3 things. Pay the law, Pay the guy in theives guild to use his connections (cheaper) or not get caught. (Mightaswell utilze that save feature before attempting to steal from important people, because they will usualy attack you if they catch you AND authorities usualy get notified/chase you)
* Levitation by potion, items (any item enchanted as such) or magic
* Enough hidden things to search around!
* Illegal items hehehe but you should learn quick enough who will buy them.
* Smart merchants who wont buy the items you stole from them
* Alchemy.. With particular recipies.  (Grab a pen for that one)
* a few puzzeling events that may annoy you and ruin your progress, however a challenge is part of the game.
* invisibility telekinesis, and spells similar to this.
* The spells arent classified as spells. They are classified by the spell effects.. Example SO many number fire damage, so much time effect, while multiple effects from spells are possible (and some potions).

You Cast "hold person" in D&D and your a strong mage vs a level 20 warrior.. Sorry warrior person, your not moving for the duration of my choice aslong as I have mana. Same goes with morrowind but typicly you wont use "hold person" or whatever the spell is in the game, often.

this is an incomplete ramble

PS. Make sure you have more than the required ram. If you think the game might run choppy on your PC.. You mightaswell buy Diablo 2.

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Lews_Therin
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posted May 24, 2004 04:37 AM
Edited By: Lews_Therin on 23 May 2004

Well, it really depends. If you know what you are doing, and distribute skill/stat points well, you are almost invincible after a very short time of playing.

It might be a matter of perspective. If youīre looking for a good challenge, I cannot imagine a game worse than Morrowind. But it has a nice athmosphere, and hundreds of small quests and subquests ... if you donīt easy battles, itīs certainly a great game.
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BountyHunter97
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King of all that is Chicken
posted May 24, 2004 05:01 AM

i have another question, celifous mentioned partys, does this mean it has an online factor as well?
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Celfious
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From earth
posted May 24, 2004 05:03 AM
Edited By: Celfious on 23 May 2004

I dont know anything about online morrowind. Try google, I would but why explain the info I get from a place you have acess too?

(lews)
10 to strength or 10 to charisma (or any other stat for that matter) dosnt change things so greatly to change the games difficulty ( i think i have some 99s, and am forced to levy out my stat up selections, so when I'm a higher level I dont have a bunch of 99s and can only distribute 1 point to charisma (for example) losing the other possible 3 out of 4 each level gain. (that would definatly have stats left at 70, 80, mabey less.

Dose it take a mastery to determine wether or not you want to get 4x for strength or 1x for intelligence? (of course it changes a bit each time you go up in levels) If your going Craig Hack style just loading up on the dex, endur, str, whenever they say 2x or more than thats pretty much similar to what i did (not exactly) and I still had a need to elope and heal from time to time.

I played my Xbox version tho, mabey Xboxs is more of a challenge.
I do know if I pick the game up now from my save point of evil character (mass killer) I could find fights which would require skill to win. What level would you say you were when there was no hard fight? (or mabey you said hardly any hard fights) mabey you didnt search particular ruins and things like that.

I think what you mean , is the fear of death is very low once you reach a high level. About what level if I may? I am tempted to go see if its hard or not with my level 50 guy, but I know not to recently in his life I found a ruin and its suroundings to require my utilization of potions. Infact I recall alot of potion use in general, (and alot of kills)

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BountyHunter97
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King of all that is Chicken
posted May 24, 2004 05:04 AM


Quote:

PS. Make sure you have more than the required ram. If you think the game might run choppy on your PC.. You mightaswell buy Diablo 2.


i think 512 DDR is good enough... 3.0 P4
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Lews_Therin
Lews_Therin


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posted May 24, 2004 07:52 AM

I donīt know anymore what level it was, that I had reached in a few days, and that was good enough to take the Daedric shrines (or whatever their name is) without any danger.

Important regarding distribution of stat points: Start with maximum endurance and maximum luck. Endurance because the earlier you get it, the more hitpoints youīll have in the game earlier AND later. Itīs the only one of the stats that cares about when you get it.
Luck because itīs not triggered by any skill, which makes it very hard to raise later.

But maybe itīs better not to go into such subtleties and just play without much thinking, that will leave the game more difficult and much longer enjoyable.
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Celfious
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From earth
posted May 24, 2004 08:30 AM
Edited By: Celfious on 24 May 2004

Endurance being non retroactive is a notable thing to be aware of in any RPG your playing. But wouldnt mana points aswell? This would be important to the gamer who seeks level 99 max potential, and perhaps other gamers.

I see your point with luck, with most races I imagine it may be rare to see x3's for that skill.  
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i am level 26 hmm

[edit] lews is replying to the offtopic thing I took out of this post
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Lews_Therin
Lews_Therin


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posted May 24, 2004 09:37 AM

Hello Celfious,

I remember quite recently having been insulted by you simply because I didnīt understand what you were telling me. And in the torture-thread, my patience was lost after you acted rudely towards Peacemaker and Bort.

That aside, it seems to me that your postings in the Other Side part often lack coherence. If that is the case, I usually do not respond, unless you have addressed me. If I respond, I try to give you a chance to explain what you mean in a way that makes sense to me. I may do that in an ironic way, but until the point where I receive funny IMs, I try to take you seriously and leave room for a constructive dialogue.

Back to topic, yes, youīre correct about the spellpoints. But as far as I remember, I think that hitpoints are far more important, even for the mage that I played. Although I put a strong emphasis on magic, it was much better for him to use his sword in combat than to cast spells.
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posted May 24, 2004 11:08 AM

I'd say it is a good game if you're not a "game exploiter" like it would appear our friend Lews is.

No offense, Lews, it just seems like you're the type of player that instinctively tries to find out how to exploit the gameworld to the limit and find the best and quickest way to beat the game. In my experience, this type of gamer is usually very good, but will often enjoy a well-crafted strategy game over RPG's, which might have some flaws that can be taken advantage of.

Maybe I'm wrong about you, Lews, and I apologize if I am, but I would nonetheless offer a different point of view.

If you like big worlds, Morrowind is good (although not as good as Daggerfall). If you like non-linear gameplay, Morrowind is good. If you like sub-quests and side-plots, Morrowind is good. If you like a deep(ish) storyline and a well-developed plot (in terms of RPG's), Morrowind is good. If you like that your actions have consequences in the world, Morrowind is (at least partly) good. If you kill one of the Silt Strider guys, he's dead. And the silt strider won't budge without him.

What I would have improved:
The combat system. Granted, there are three different attacks, but that doesn't really offer a lot.

World Size. After playing Daggerfall, Morrowind is about the size of a litterbox.

Even more open-ended. Again, compared to Daggerfall. There's only so much you can do before following the main quest is the only thing left.

But all in all, a good game. If you enjoy 1st person RPGs, I'd say chances are pretty good you'll enjoy this one as well.
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posted May 24, 2004 09:17 PM

i jujst want to say it is one of the best games I have ever played and you should definetly buy it.
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Celfious
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From earth
posted May 25, 2004 12:27 AM

question about PC and Xbox versions.

Is there anywhere we can store our heavy loot no merchants can afford? Mabey anywhere, but I remember droping my stuff off before getting arrested and it disapreard.
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posted May 25, 2004 12:35 AM

Go to Ghorak Manor. It's a funny place and I'm pretty sure it'd make a good storage point.
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Lews_Therin
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posted May 25, 2004 01:17 AM

Hello DonGio,

youīre completely right , I enjoy the role-playing aspects of the role-playing games, but I play the combat and leveling aspects as if they were strategy games. I create character/party in a role-playing way, but once the game has started, I try to make the very best out of it.

I wish someone would erase Baldurīs Gate 2 from my memories, so that I could play it as a new game again ...
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