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posted November 07, 2001 06:12 AM
Edited By: Hexa on 26 Jan 2002

creature preferrences (the debatable)

here's a series of creatures that seem roughly equal overall ... which would you prefer? (assuming they came in equal numerical quantities):

- lizard warriors (gold 140) or marksmen (gold 150)?

- minotaurs (gold 500) or rocs (gold 600)?

- grand elf (gold 225) or evil eye (gold 280)?

- monk (gold 400) or arch-magi (gold 450)?

- basilisk (gold 325) or medusa (gold 300)?

- behemoth (gold 1500) or hydra (gold 2200)?

- crusader (gold 400) or ogre-magi(gold 400)?

- vampire lord (gold 500) or lich (gold 550)?

any others you'd like to add?

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posted November 07, 2001 06:36 AM

my picks

- marksmen (gold 150)
- minotaurs (gold 500)
- grand elf (gold 225)
- arch-magi (gold 450)
- medusa (gold 300)
- behemoth (gold 1500)
- crusader (gold 400)
- vampire lord (gold 500)
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posted November 07, 2001 08:01 AM

marksmen (gold 150): Only pre-SOD patch, though.

rocs (gold 600): Flying is useful. Nuff said.

grand elf (gold 225): More damage, slightly less health. You be the judge.

arch-magi (gold 450): Less mana, and they're Tower.

medusa (gold 300): Range all the way, baby!

hydra (gold 2200): Oddly enough, this is more useful, but only if you've got haste or teleport.  Get him in there, and all of your opposing armies are sunk.

ogre-magi(gold 400): Bloodlust and high HP.

lich (gold 550): Range+fireball that doesn't affect your teammates.  Even regeneration/draining is a tough one to follow.
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Kiar
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posted November 07, 2001 08:56 AM

my choice is

-marksmen (gold 150)
- minotaurs (gold 500)
- grand elf (gold 225)
- monk (gold 400)?
- basilisk (gold 325)
- behemoth (gold 1500)
- crusader (gold 400)
- vampire lord (gold 500)

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posted November 07, 2001 10:17 AM

- lizard warriors (gold 140) or marksmen (gold 150)?

Rogue and angelspit will disagree but marksmen

- minotaurs (gold 500) or rocs (gold 600)?

Rocs.

- grand elf (gold 225) or evil eye (gold 280)?

~Dragon sneers~ Elves rule.

- monk (gold 400) or arch-magi (gold 450)?

AM

- basilisk (gold 325) or medusa (gold 300)?

Medusa

- behemoth (gold 1500) or hydra (gold 2200)?

Hydra

- crusader (gold 400) or ogre-magi(gold 400)?

Orge Magi

- vampire lord (gold 500) or lich (gold 550)?

VPs rule!

Others?

Champion or Dread Knight?
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posted November 07, 2001 11:53 AM

Champion vs Dread knight ... <-- I believe will always result in dread knight

but champion (gold 1200) vs. black knight (gold 1200) is very close ... but i'd pick black knights, because of the more HP and cursing ability.  <-- but champions do more damage with jousting.

here are my personal preferrences to my own questions:

- lizard warriors vs. human, marksmen vs. cpu  <-- this because the marksmen are ALWAYS the first to die vs. human.

- minotaurs vs. rocs ... depends if I desire more damage or more HP (or if I need a flying unit)

- grand elves.  But for some reason people think evil eyes are better.  Probably because the G.elves are ALWAYS the first to die.

- I'd go for arch-magi, because their spell effect helps both warrior heroes and magic heroes.

- hmmm, basilisk vs. human, medusa vs. cpu

- I think i prefer hydras, because they're much harder to kill or gang up on

- crusaders are one of the first units to die, and ogres are always the last ones to die ... can't decide.

- Vampire lords vs. liches ... can't decide.

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posted November 07, 2001 02:14 PM

My choices

Okie here are my choices:
1.Lizard Warriors (with patch)- much more resistent to damage from other troops + very underrated by many players
2. I'd defenetly go for minotaurs. I would of had problems deciding between the upgr troops because Thunderbirds have that nasty lightning strike .
3. If I play a human I'd defenetly go for the evil eyes. More resistent, and they can hold their ground (with no melle penalty).
4. Arch Magi here too.
5. Basilik - more life than the medusa, stronger.
6. Hydra because of the multiple attack and no enemy retal
7. Crusaders defenetly
8. I think I'd go for vamp lords
9. I'll go for champions because they have jousting bonus, possibility of morale and because they move faster.

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posted November 07, 2001 09:39 PM

here's some other match-ups:
(again, assuming they came in equal numbers)

- ogre magi (gold 400) or dendroid soldiers (gold 425)? <-- note: only 1 on speed difference.

- efreet (gold 900) or war unicorns (gold 950)?

- naga queens (gold 1600) or behemoths (gold 1500)?

- bone dragons (gold 1800) or behemoths (gold 1500)?

- mighty gorgons (gold 600) or manticores (gold 850)?

- cerebus (gold 250) or demon (gold 250)?

- centaur captain (gold 90) or wolf rider (gold 100)?

- storm elemental (gold 275) or medusa (gold 300)?


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posted November 07, 2001 09:58 PM

Dendroid Soldier (gold 425)

War Unicorn (gold 950)

Behemoths (gold 1500)

Behemoths (gold 1500)

Mighty Gorgons (gold 600)

Ceberus (gold 250)

Centaur Captain (gold 90)

Storm Elemental (gold 275)
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Frenzie
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posted November 08, 2001 12:00 AM

- marksmen (gold 150)
- minotaurs (gold 500)
- grand elf (gold 225)
- arch-magi (gold 450)
- medusa (gold 300)
- behemoth (gold 1500)
- crusader (gold 400)
- vampire lord (gold 500)
- dread knight (vs crusader)

dendroid soldiers
efreet
behemoths
behemoths
mighty gorgons
cerberus
centaur captain

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Gimmickless
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posted November 08, 2001 07:11 AM

dendroid soldiers: higher HP, better specialty

war unicorns: Blind. Nuff said.

naga queens: Can't retaliate against their attacks, and almost as much HP as behemoths.

behemoths: You call this a question?

mighty gorgons: D@mn near the best specialty of all creatures.  How can you go wrong?

- cerebus: no retaliation and possiblility of 3-way attack? How can you go wrong?

- centaur captain: equal HP, but the speed and defense give this guy the nod.

- storm elemental (gold 275) or medusa (gold 300)? Can't answer, as I don't have SOD.



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posted November 08, 2001 07:16 AM

- Champion (vs D. Knight)

- Dendroid Soldier (gold 425)
- War Unicorn (gold 950)
- Naga Queen (gold 1600)
- Behemoths (gold 1500)
- Mighty Gorgons (gold 600)
- Demon (gold 250)
- Centaur Captain (gold 90)
- Medusa (gold 300)
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posted December 30, 2006 02:52 PM
Edited by Light_Knight at 15:00, 30 Dec 2006.

My preferences

That is my choice:

Marksmen (gold 150)
Minotaurs (gold 500)
Grand elf (gold 225)
Arch-magi (gold 450)
Medusa (gold 300)
Behemoth (gold 1500)
Crusader (gold 400)
Vampire lord (gold 500)


The other comparations:
Ogre Magi(faster and strongest)
Efreet(Imune to unicorn blind)
Naga Queen(Attack without retaliation)
Behemonts(very, very ,very better)
Mighty Gorgon( the special is very powerfull)
Cerberus(attack without retaliation and is fastest)
Centaur Captain( fastest and with the same hit points)
Medusa ( the most equilibrate duel)

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HeymlicH
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posted January 03, 2007 02:27 PM

- lizard warriors (gold 140) or marksmen (gold 150)?   Marksmen. And yes, they are the first to die.

- minotaurs (gold 500) or rocs (gold 600)? Minos.

- grand elf (gold 225) or evil eye (gold 280)? Grand Elves. However, in situations where I can't keep the opponent away from them, evil eyes are better.

- monk (gold 400) or arch-magi (gold 450)? Monks. Monks may be the worst level 5 unit, but they are better than most level 4 units.

- basilisk (gold 325) or medusa (gold 300)? Basilisk

- behemoth (gold 1500) or hydra (gold 2200)? Behemoth

- crusader (gold 400) or ogre-magi(gold 400)? Crusader

- vampire lord (gold 500) or lich (gold 550)? Against tower or necro: Lich. Against all others: I don't know.




- ogre magi (gold 400) or dendroid soldiers (gold 425)? Dendroid Soldiers are _much_ better.

- efreet (gold 900) or war unicorns (gold 950)? Efreet

- naga queens (gold 1600) or behemoths (gold 1500)? Behemoth. I think even the worst level 7 creature will be stronger than the best level 6.

- bone dragons (gold 1800) or behemoths (gold 1500)? Behemoth

- mighty gorgons (gold 600) or manticores (gold 850)? Manticore vs Undead, Mighty Gorgon vs all others.

- cerebus (gold 250) or demon (gold 250)? demon

- centaur captain (gold 90) or wolf rider (gold 100)? Whatever came with that hero (I wouldn't buy any of them )

- storm elemental (gold 275) or medusa (gold 300)? Mhmm. Storm elementals have a very big damage range. A simple curse spell can make them almost useless. Medusa has only 4 Shots. I would take the Storm Elemental and cast Bless


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posted January 03, 2007 03:54 PM
Edited by God2 at 16:11, 03 Jan 2007.

- lizard warriors (gold 140) or marksmen (gold 150)?

Lizard warriors after SOD. They are very very durable, and their damage is still second best for a tier 2 shooter. (against a creature with defence skill 5, marksmen do on average 5,25 damage each round, while the Lizard warriors do 3,625 on said enemy each round.

- minotaurs (gold 500) or rocs (gold 600)?

This one is a hard choice. The minotaur will give more damage for the investment, but the Rocs give more utility since they are fliers.

- grand elf (gold 225) or evil eye (gold 280)?

Grand elves. Reason is they deal almost double damage and are much cheaper to build (there is a 5% difference due to the Evil Eyes having 1 more attack skill)

- monk (gold 400) or arch-magi (gold 450)?

Arch Magi. They do not suffer from wall-penalty in sieges, they make spellcasting cheaper, and most importantly, they are faster.

- basilisk (gold 325) or medusa (gold 300)?

Basilisk. Medusa only have 4 shots, and their stats are otherwise not that great for a level 4 shooter.

- behemoth (gold 1500) or hydra (gold 2200)?

This is a tricky one. If I had access to haste and/or teleport, I'd probably go with hydra. Hydra has higher potential, Behemoth is easier to use effectively. I would have to go with Behemoth in this comparison however.

- crusader (gold 400) or ogre-magi(gold 400)?

Crusader. The reasons are better speed and and much more damage. Also, even though the Ogre Magi have 60 HP, they only have 7 defence skill. (5 lower than crusader, means that they will take 25% more damage from attacks than the Crusader.)

- vampire lord (gold 500) or lich (gold 550)?

Vampire lord. Life drain, high speed, no retaliation. And liches become useless if blocked.

- ogre magi (gold 400) or dendroid soldiers (gold 425)? <-- note: only 1 on speed difference.

Dendroid Soldiers. They never die, and their special is very good. If I have haste, these tanks become some of my favorite units.

- efreet (gold 900) or war unicorns (gold 950)?

War Unicorns. If this had been between Efreet Sultans and War Unicorns, I would have gone with the efreet, but regular efreet are not faster than War Unicorns, and War Unicorns have that pesky blind ability and magic resistance thing, along with good HP.

- naga queens (gold 1600) or behemoths (gold 1500)?

Behemoths. Superior atk/def and one of the best specials in the game.

- bone dragons (gold 1800) or behemoths (gold 1500)?

Probably Bone Dragons because they are faster and are fliers.

- mighty gorgons (gold 600) or manticores (gold 850)?

Mighty Gorgons. Manticores are fliers and have decent speed, but Mighty GOrgons are Mighty Gorgons!

- cerebus (gold 250) or demon (gold 250)?

Probably Cerebus. Better speed and damage potential. They tend to die a lot though. Cerebus are damage dealers, demons are tanks.

- centaur captain (gold 90) or wolf rider (gold 100)?

Centaur Captain. That 2 speed difference is the reason.

- storm elemental (gold 275) or medusa (gold 300)?

Storm Elemental. Only because Medusa have 4 shots. I would probably have picked Medusa Queen over Storm Elementals though.
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posted January 03, 2007 04:13 PM
Edited by liophy at 16:16, 03 Jan 2007.

lizard warriors (gold 140) or marksmen (gold 150)?   Marksmen - Dowble shoots makes the difference

minotaurs (gold 500) or rocs (gold 600)? Minos, too much damage

grand elf (gold 225) or evil eye (gold 280)? Grand Elves, are probably the most efective per cost creatures in the game. Espetialy in the begining. They are very easy to build and rockets rampart in development

monk (gold 400) or arch-magi (gold 450)? Monks. "Monks may be the worst level 5 unit, but they are better than most level 4 units" - true!

basilisk (gold 325) or medusa (gold 300)? Basilisk

behemoth (gold 1500) or hydra (gold 2200)? Behemoth

crusader (gold 400) or ogre-magi(gold 400)? Crusader - crazy damage

vampire lord (gold 500) or lich (gold 550)? Lich




ogre magi (gold 400) or dendroid soldiers (gold 425)? Dendroid Soldiers - just stronger

efreet (gold 900) or war unicorns (gold 950)? Efreet, faster and fire shield is permament, not as the probability of blinding attack

naga queens (gold 1600) or behemoths (gold 1500)? Behemoth. "I think even the worst level 7 creature will be stronger than the best level 6" - true

bone dragons (gold 1800) or behemoths (gold 1500)? Behemoth

mighty gorgons (gold 600) or manticores (gold 850)? "Manticore vs Undead, Mighty Gorgon vs all others" true

cerebus (gold 250) or demon (gold 250)? demon - speed and No rettaliation makes it.

centaur captain (gold 90) or wolf rider (gold 100)? wolf rider - better stats and biger dmg. Speed of the centaur not enought to compensate

storm elemental (gold 275) or medusa (gold 300)? Storm elementals - Crazy creature, one of the reasons conflux is not allowed by lots of players.

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posted January 03, 2007 04:46 PM
Edited by angelito at 17:20, 03 Jan 2007.

- lizard warriors (gold 140) or marksmen (gold 150)?
Marksmen...faster and more damage each round. Attack skill on shooters more important than defense skill
- minotaurs (gold 500) or rocs (gold 600)?
Rocs...faster and more tactical usefullness. Strong weapon vs shooters in the early stage of game!
- grand elf (gold 225) or evil eye (gold 280)?
Grandelf...prolly best lev3 unit, double shot..no doubt here.
- monk (gold 400) or arch-magi (gold 450)?
Archmagi...close one here, but spellcost reduction and no siege wall penalty makes the difference.
- basilisk (gold 325) or medusa (gold 300)?
Medusa...also close, but if u got 2 slow units, the shooter will prolly be superior in 90% of the case.
- behemoth (gold 1500) or hydra (gold 2200)?
Hydra...although I do like behemots very much, the usefullness of hydras, especially in early and middle game, is undoubtable.
- crusader (gold 400) or ogre-magi(gold 400)?
Crusader...no doubt here. Speed and damage is too good.
- vampire lord (gold 500) or lich (gold 550)?
Vampirlord...no question here. Try to fight 100 dwarves with 4 lichs and then with 4 lords....self explaining...
- ogre magi (gold 400) or dendroid soldiers (gold 425)?
Dendroid Soldiers...more durable and great speciality
- efreet (gold 900) or war unicorns (gold 950)?
War unicorns...can't see any good reason why efreet should be prefered...flyer and immun to firespells....that's not enough...
- naga queens (gold 1600) or behemoths (gold 1500)?
Behemot...more hitpoints and more damage should make the difference here.
- bone dragons (gold 1800) or behemoths (gold 1500)?
Behemoth...Bone dragon is the worst level 7 unit in my eyes...
- mighty gorgons (gold 600) or manticores (gold 850)?
Mighty Gorgons...u just have to love them cows...
- cerebus (gold 250) or demon (gold 250)?
Cerberus...no retail and speed is the main difference.
- centaur captain (gold 90) or wolf rider (gold 100)?
Centaur Captain...close one, but speed and first hit can decide the battle.
- storm elemental (gold 275) or medusa (gold 300)?
Medusa...even though Stormies are a superior lev2 unit, they can't compete with a lev4 shooter. Their damage in melee is just worse.
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posted January 04, 2007 11:28 AM

I disagree for the roc vs minotaur. The minotaur is a good mid level creature, strong and very good at defending dungeons low level shooters. That's his job, and he does it well.

For Stronghold, I never understood why they need a lvl 5 flying unit. The roc is too weak to send him in alone to block some shooter. Also they don't make much use of shooters (orks are too slow and cyclops too expensive). Like I see it, stronghold has the best unit in the game: The Behemoth. Strong, cheap and available early in the game. Everything else has to be built around this unit. Whatever is faster than the behemoth has to wait for him. A boring ground unit like the unicorn would fit into this plan much better than a flyer.

Not that I don't use this rocs. They are the second best unit for stronghold. I just think the minotaur is more useful for dungeon, since it fits into the game plan much better.

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posted January 04, 2007 01:34 PM

If u think the minotaurs, and especially the minotaurkings are for defending your shooters in a dungeon army, u don't use their power well in my opinion.
And about rocs or minos...
You can have rocs day 1, if no wolöves prebuilt day. If u find shooters blocking your way, be it horde of mastergremlins, lots of archer / lizzards, u can easily kill them with just 3 rocs and then go on your way. Minos will do hard here.
And when u have upgraded to tbirds, your hero will have maximum movement each turn if he only got these tbirds on.

Maybe you should think about the whole gameplay and not only refering to an endfight scenario when making a choice here. Some units have their full potential mostly when fighting the map (mastergremlins, imps, pikemen etc...), but are often not even present on endfight battlefield...
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posted January 04, 2007 02:28 PM

We are not talking about t-birds. We are talking about rocs. Through the whole game the roc is very unimportant, because it is upgraded to the t-bird quite early (maybe even in week 1). The minotaur I keep for quite some time, because I never have enough ore for the early upgrade. And no - I don't run across the battlefield with my slowest unit (the minotaur).

But maybe that's just me


however, it is very close. Both are good units, no doubt.

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