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Heroes Community > Library of Enlightenment > Thread: What's the chnce of getting plague?
Thread: What's the chnce of getting plague? This thread is 2 pages long: 1 2 · NEXT»
Kuma
Kuma


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posted September 12, 2003 11:38 AM

What's the chnce of getting plague?

I have a bet here with Blizzard about the chance of getting plague in new month.

He says 15%, I go for 30%

Anyone knows?

And ya, I know that when u just bought ur lvl 7 and have no cash to afford troops, the chance is 100%

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haile73
haile73


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posted September 12, 2003 03:49 PM

depends on week and day

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hamsi128
hamsi128


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posted September 13, 2003 09:31 PM

oh goB plague!!! miene liebe demons gone... toss haile toss

btw devil got my woman
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streetspirit
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posted September 15, 2003 07:03 AM

You can always reload to avoid plague.
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bjorn190
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posted September 15, 2003 07:52 AM

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You can always reload to avoid plague.


Or you could say "I win!" and turn the computer off. That way all the opponents die. Its the easiest way.

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Celfious
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posted September 15, 2003 08:16 AM

Plauge is sometimes ok, all oponents feel it. If theres 4 players.. It's best for 1, and the worst for 1.. The other 2 players feel it in the middle

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Odvin
Odvin


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posted September 15, 2003 03:04 PM

2Kuma:

If serious, I'm quite sure it's 20%
If not, the thread should be moved to the tavern... or wastelands... or closed
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lord_crusader
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posted October 08, 2003 03:06 PM
Edited By: lord_crusader on 8 Oct 2003

mmmm obviusly you know that the plague it's only happen when is the end of the month... I think is totally random... many times happen to me that I have plague in the first two months

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Dingo
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posted October 11, 2003 05:49 AM

Where is Wub when you need him?
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hamsi128
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posted October 11, 2003 02:48 PM

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Where is Wub when you need him?


we lost him in plague

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chosen0ne
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posted October 11, 2003 05:59 PM

wub is yet another victim of the plague

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Wub
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posted October 25, 2003 03:26 AM

Er...right...

I don't exactly know how big the chance is that plague occurs at the end of the month, so I visited some HoMM sites (even Russian ones) but they all came with the same piece of info:

Quote:
-"When a month of plague occurs, the following happens:
•All unpurchased creatures are cut in half
•All dwellings produce 0 creatures
•Any dwelling which has horde building built is IMMUNE to the effects
of plague. Thus a castle with a griffin bastion produces griffins
normally. Similarly with dwarves, dendroids, imps, cerberi, skeletons,
gnolls, etc." (source: Qurqirish Dragon (Matthew Charlap) )
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By the way, this information isn't true anymore either (due to the latest patch I believe). And indeed, when I tested it with Armageddon's Blade it appeared that horde buildings no longer protect its associated creature from the plague. What is also useful to know is that the number of creatures after the plague, is always rounded down (3 unpurchased archangels become one archangel).

So the only way to know how plague works, was to test it. But randomness in HoMM3 isn't really random. I believe that things such as luck, morale, the exact number of damage that a creature stack inflicts and the skills that your hero is offered when he levels up, are to a certain extent fixed. The other day I was playing a random map and at the end of month 1 the plague occurred. So to find out how it worked, I reloaded my autosave and hit end turn. And again: a month of the plague. I repeated this 4-5 times and I kept getting plague. So my conclusion was that if plague is indeed random, it isn't determined at the end of the month, but earlier. That makes it quite hard to test .

But I made a savegame of my autosave and started messing around a bit. It appeared that to a certain extent I had control over if plague occurred or not:

-If I did nothing, I got month of the plague
-If I simply dismissed my main hero, I got month of the gog.
-If I hired another hero, gave him all the troops and artis of my main hero and dismissed my main, I got month of the pegasus.
-If I gave that other hero only all artifacts or all creatures, I got month of the pegasus
-If I dismissed all my heroes and creatures and wasted all my money, I got week of the gog again.

I recall a post from an other HC poster, Ironfist, who found somewhat similar results if he captured a town at the end of the month. But anyway, the bottom line is: the exact event that will occur at the end of the month is to a certain extent dependent on your actions. So I doubt if it is really random. And you will also encounter exactly this kind of 'randomness' with the skills that you get offered (I tested that too).

On top of that I remember a post from Destro, who stated that the chance of getting plague is also dependent on the month of the year. I don't know if that is true, but it makes it completely impossible for me to test the exact 'chance' of getting plague. But maybe Odvin is right that the chance is 20%, I can't tell.

Oh well, back to testing the AI. I'm still working on that now and then.
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Odvin
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posted October 25, 2003 01:51 PM

sorry ppl

Bad, bad me... I though you meant the zombiez' special
Sorry for that post of mine... It's 20% for zombiez, but I dunno what is it for the month of plague.

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Perji
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posted November 05, 2003 02:29 PM

I believe that with or without random, the plague chance must be based on something that happens in the game. I tested my idea, and so I realized that whenever you have lots of cash and not many creatures to buy the chance goes down (like 0,0000000001%) and when you've got five castles filled with zounds of creatures but not enough cash to buy them the chance increases to about 300%.
Also, on some sites it is recommended that, if you're short on money and can only afford to buy some creatures, you buy the low level creatures so they do not stack, and leave the higher levels for later. This is because the higher levels are fewer, and the fewer creatures you have in your towns, the lower gets the chance of plague.
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Delfontes
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posted November 06, 2003 06:46 PM

Quote:
-If I did nothing, I got month of the plague
-If I simply dismissed my main hero, I got month of the gog.
-If I hired another hero, gave him all the troops and artis of my main hero and dismissed my main, I got month of the pegasus.
-If I gave that other hero only all artifacts or all creatures, I got month of the pegasus
-If I dismissed all my heroes and creatures and wasted all my money, I got week of the gog again.


How many times did you try each scenario?  To me, it sounds like it was just random, and you just did different things once, and got different results.

I've reloaded, changed nothing at all, and avoided plague.
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csarmi
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posted November 06, 2003 09:33 PM

I can back up his claims too. Seems that it is not random, but dependant of game things somehow. It was like this in some strategy games too.

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Wub
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posted November 16, 2003 01:44 AM
Edited By: Wub on 15 Nov 2003

Testing the plague sucks

Quote: How many times did you try each scenario? To me, it sounds like it was just random, and you just did different things once, and got different results.

Hello Delfontes. I tried each scenario about 4-5 times and kept getting the same results. I too believe that sometimes when you simply reload, another event than month  of the plague occurs. But this just did not happen in my game.

I restarted the scenario and have been goofing around a bit at week 4 day 7. It was interesting that at a certain moment I got month of the locust, reloaded the autosave, changed nothing, got month of the ladybug, reloaded, changed nothing and then got month of the plague. From then on every time I reloaded I kept getting month of the plague. The same happened with insignificant events at the end of the moment until I got month of the gremlin and ketpt getting that after each reload too. That suggests that when you get a significant event such as plague at the end of the month, the computer tends to 'remember' that and sticks to it even though you reload your game. And as my previous post suggested, you will have to make pretty radical changes (such as dismissing your main hero) to let the computer 'forget' a month of the plague.

If this is true, it makes testing any circumstances under which the plague is more likely to happen quite impossible, because most changes you make would then be likely to be suppressed by the computer's tendency to remember the month of the plague. And testing the month of the plague is only possible with that reload feature. So I am afraid I can't really answer the original question of the thread or specify conditions under which the plague is likely to occur. So Perji's theory will have to remain untested
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Sir_Stiven
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posted November 16, 2003 06:30 PM

kewl, so each time i have lots of creatures unbought in town ill just dismiss main then and no week of plague will occur

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binabik
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posted November 18, 2003 10:46 AM

I'd guess 10-15%, or about 1-2 times a year. On maps that go a year or more, 1-2 times a year seems more likely than 3 times a year.

A game that is too predictable isn't any fun. Randomness is one factor that gives a game replayability.

Plague not only adds randomness, but another layer of strategy. To buy or not to buy? Do you have a treasury? Where's the enemy? Has the enemy attacked recently? etc, etc

In SP, it seems like the AI usually buys up it's creatures near the beginning of the week. So the plague could hurt you more than the AI if you haven't been buying. On the other hand if you know where the enemy is and approximately how it's forces are distributed, right after plague might be a good time to go on the offensive and take a town or two. So it goes both ways.
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Lord_Woock
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posted November 18, 2003 11:02 AM

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kewl, so each time i have lots of creatures unbought in town ill just dismiss main then and no week of plague will occur


Why dismiss? Wouldn't going into battle and retreating work? You avoid plague and then rehire your hero. It'd be nice to not have to level up your main again, yesno?
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