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Celfious
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posted September 20, 2003 08:32 AM |
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Dose anyone think about starting a new civilization?
If there was available land, an Island.. And 20 other skilled ppl who are all going to start a civilization..
We do bring things.. Especialy books about crops and metal forging, electrical equations... We would bring alot of literature, and a bunch of lighters, a bunch of plastic (tarps primarily) what else is vital to a quick establishment of a beautiful place??
If there is land, and a bunch of ppl.. who are all smart, and have the same general idea of society.. Would you go? I seriously contimplate this, really.. I wouldnt be a king, just another of us who shares beautiful virtues and strive for a simple life. (Women go to lol.. but they are not treated like the rest of society usualy dose)
And our Kids would be so strong and better than us!
Of course, we're alot more knowledgeable from evolution, and with modern knowledge in the books it would be awsome.. Think if ppl back then knew what we knew now. It would be a beautiful place to start over and do our purpose-live
(The following is a quote, from an Athien/student of Socrates, and admirer in the virtuous, honerable civilization- Spartus)
Quote:
Could gain by traffic, be an object of pursuit, in a state where the possesion of money occasions more pain than the use of it's affords?
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Valeriy
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Naughty, Naughty Valeriy
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posted September 21, 2003 07:19 AM |
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Yes, wouldn't it be nice... I've heard of a book about a guy who set out to create a perfect community, each attempt he failed, he started out again realizing it needs to be smaller. Then he ended up by himself. 
I think this civilisation either needs no commodities or currency that can be gained to elevate one above the other, or mutual understanding that such commodities need to be distributed evenly to ensure the wellbeing of society.
What would be the personal goal in life of those people also matters. Would they seek harmony with nature? Will they need internet and cars? If you need those services, you're pretty much doomed to unite with the rest of the world. You'll need to export in order to pay for phone bills and petrol.
Wouldn't it be better to live in a place of your own with someone you love and have some savings so that you don't have to work much?
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bjorn190
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posted September 21, 2003 08:16 AM |
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Its not possible to fix the problems of society by turning back the clock and going to the stoneage. We have to seek these answers in the future. 
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Celfious
Promising
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From earth
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posted September 21, 2003 09:16 AM |
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Mr sunglass sir, mr turbine.
Whats needed in most comomon humans is understanding of worldliness. If leaders were to express notions that all men are equal, and decisions of polotics and economy are different. And in no way shape or form, is generalizing populations- difficult, popular, non popular, or problematic.
I see a more sufficient neighborhood watch system, and obligance of current ppl to present obedience and structure. The modorn form of responsible civilization.
Not lazieness, and talk back attitudes. And lack of tolerance twords fellow humans.. And teach virtues! Where were these lost in midevil times?? Man should be a fit provider to his wife! We should say that in the national earth pride. And that women is to achive anything that she devines herself possible.
Ideas is the # 1 nature, and women are more peaceful as it is. If all men showed compassion, we would stop to apear as dominate leaders in the mentaly structured world.
Women arent clean to make kill decisons and princess
"you are not a man of goodness, and at age 15 you have been castratred. For we only want the best of students alive and your not worthy to share your blood line" But you there, of honor a digulance
We want only good ppl, to format the world into what we want.
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Valeriy
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Naughty, Naughty Valeriy
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posted September 21, 2003 09:24 PM |
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So then, how exactly do you plan to achieve this putting the nice sounding smudgy phrases aside?
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Celfious
Promising
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From earth
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posted September 21, 2003 11:14 PM |
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i dont think I can, but I would be 1 of the ones to seriously consider, if I saw a group of skilled well minded ppl going. I would think about it..
But then again, i feel my mind has more of a use for this world ppl are in. It all depends on the world.. And quite frankly, I dont think it will be easy to make my mind of use unless some major things happen to the world.. Perhaps political leaders are gone, perhaps they are willing to listen, perhaps writing papers or something..
perhaps my mind will simply be stuck in an office being "the common sense guy" who actualy programs things the way ppl like, and in a board meeting making suggestions from the orracle of common sense.
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Shepicker
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posted September 28, 2003 12:54 PM |
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"And our kids would be so strong and better than us!"
If you were to isolate a population of let us say 21 people on an island for a long time, you would get after a few generations to the point where interbreeding takes place and then the children will become weaker and weaker. Just look at Iceland: isolated island with a greater than 21 population : a very high rate of breast cancer cases. Probably nowdays the rate went down. A simmilar thought was approached in the movie " The Purple Rivers". When two smart people have a child together that doesnt mean that the child is automaticly smarter than the parents or even smart, eventhough the chances are big. I think it would be more effective to improve the actuall civilization than to start a new one. There is so much to be done and then again just by discussing it will not improve it much. So i am off to save the whales...
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bjorn190
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posted September 28, 2003 02:08 PM |
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So basically this idea is: "Kill everyone that we dont think is worthy of living, or at least stop them from reproducing, and build a new, clean, civilization of master humans" ?
Its been tried.. about 60 years ago. It wasnt a good idea then either.
We have to create the future together, crappy ppl and good ppl living together in understanding. You cant "weed out" the weak. The best measure of how advanced a civilization is is how it treats the weak...
and we have a long way to go
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hamsi128
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posted September 28, 2003 03:08 PM |
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Sapiens, sibique imperiosus,
Quem neque pauperies, neque mors, neque vincula terrent,
Responsare cupidinibus, contemnere honores,
Fortis, et in seipse totus teres atque rotundus,
Externi ne quid voleat per laeve morari,
In quem manca ruit semper fortuna? 
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Shepicker
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posted September 28, 2003 05:24 PM |
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Confusion
My point exactly Bjorn.If you were to weed out any people the biological variety would fall and there would be people
who get weaker and weaker. I actually do not recall suggesting any weeding out. My idea of improvement was the one Celfious and Valeriy talked about: the intelectual and the metaphysical. I hope that my idea is not understood as the idea of the german nationalist socialist party but more like : "why create a better civilization by breeding pure races when you can make the actual civilization better by educating the people instead of isolating the smart from the crappy ones ?" That was my suggested improvement.
I think after this post you do not have to ask me if I have a poster of Hitler in my bedroom:-)
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Celfious
Promising
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From earth
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posted September 28, 2003 06:08 PM |
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Another thing is to use our common language as a tool.
If there was a word for ppl who strive to become better, and make the world better, and a word for ppl who do not strive, then it would be more aparent to ppl that they should try in all daily afairs.
If you strive you are *blablabla*
If not your a selfish Neadritholic waste of life.
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hamsi128
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posted September 28, 2003 07:48 PM |
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Latin is common language!!!......... 1000 years ago 
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Lord_Woock
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posted September 28, 2003 07:50 PM |
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Yep... Was a common language. Not is.
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bjorn190
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posted September 28, 2003 08:11 PM |
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Quote:
My point exactly Bjorn.If you were to weed out any people the biological variety would fall and there would be people
who get weaker and weaker.
Lol sorry Shepicker I didnt mean your post.
I guess I should have been more clear..
I meant celfious first post and idea.
Didnt mean to attack you, I actually think ur cool
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Shepicker
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posted September 28, 2003 09:33 PM |
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The language as tool might be usefull in the way of educating. Just by calling someone a name or another, I do not think it will help educate. We allready have this in some areas of our language: if we call some people fanatics because they seem to us as fanatics let us say the ones that are very and even extremly in their belief(RELIGIOUS FANATISM), I do not think those people care much about it cause then they call the non-fanatics infidel.Both sides are correct and also missguided in that matter. But reason lies somewhere in the middle. It is our right to try to imply our thoughts to the others by using vertu or ratio and the others have the right to imply their thoughts on us by using the same means.But calling one of the parties names without arguing why they were called names will certainly produce a negative reaction and not necessarily make them think why they were called in such a way.(anyway I would act that way if I was called names)
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Celfious
Promising
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From earth
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posted September 28, 2003 10:49 PM |
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The castration of bad men, is a joke. Of course it would be what some women would say for real if they could lol.
the language, using a word to call ppl something, is not the goal. It is that people know, wether or not they are striving, or not striving "conciously"
Trying to make yourself and the world better
Not trying to make yourself and the world better
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Valeriy
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posted September 30, 2003 01:33 PM |
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Then there is the question of who's views are right or supperior or more evolved or more advanced or more civilised. Who gets to decide? Majority or some people in power? Or everyone for themselves. Different cultures have contradicting viewpoints on the same issues.
But I am a believer in universal truths and workability, but then, working towards what...? Who decides what? etc.
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