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Heroes Community > Tavern of the Rising Sun > Thread: In the end, does it really matter?
Thread: In the end, does it really matter?
Lady_Milena
Lady_Milena


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posted October 09, 2003 05:09 PM

In the end, does it really matter?

I was having a conversation with an old friend today. I have RPed with him for like an year now. I was complaining to him about another person with who we play in IRC, expressing my dismay she always screws up my characters, no matter what.

His comment was: she finds your characters way too 1-dimensional, she doesn't like em.

Do you, I asked him.

His reaction was:

"there are players who play characters with more depth than you do. These are the better players around. although i dont particularly agree with her on all accounts, you could build on this."

The person who has STed and approved half my characters.

Honestly, I felt like dying this very instant.

I've always had the confidence that I could build up a chracter well... to really be able to get into someone's shoes.

It's bad to shatter illusions.

And now I ask myself: is there any use of walking in someone else's shoes when what comes out is a flat image lacking dimensions? Is there any use of interaction with others?

Or, in the end, does anyone else's opinion about my children matter?

Or should I go ahead and disregard everyone's opinion and think I'm a great player when I'm not?

In the end, would it really matter...
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Sir_Stiven
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posted October 09, 2003 05:22 PM

lol

tosser

you take this way to seriously

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RMS
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posted October 09, 2003 05:36 PM

"True friends stab you in the front."
Some guy said that.
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Sir_Stiven
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posted October 09, 2003 05:39 PM

first off, learn to spell my handle right

and RP:ing doesnt open your eyes, it makes you leave in a fantasy world.

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Lord_Woock
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posted October 09, 2003 05:44 PM

Liar, liar, pants on fire!!!
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Tyger
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posted October 09, 2003 05:58 PM
Edited By: Tyger on 9 Oct 2003

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RP:ing doesnt open your eyes, it makes you leave in a fantasy world.

Not necessarily. If you don't hook up on it to much, RPing is a good thing. It helps you developing your imagination, makes you interact with other people, makes you think.

Lady Milena: And I didn't really understand what did you mean by "1-dimensional". Do they lack backgroud, or freewill, or what? I know some people don't care about these sides of their characters, out of lazyness or just plain ignorance to the whole thing. But certainly not the ones who have been playing for some time, let alone years. Maybe your friends just don't understand your style?


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Lady_Milena
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posted October 09, 2003 06:12 PM

I beg your pardon for mistaking your name. It wasn't on purpose.

Yeah, if you play your ordinary hack-and-slash type of D&D, yeah, that's not particularly enlightening. What I do play, though, is a row of awesome and very profound scene and I have learnt a horrible lot about my own self with them. Playing a dominatrix helped me realize what masochists actually get from the pain. Why does it work this way? The Catholic saint - that Caths are NOT all that bad. And my leading character Selene - the importance of being happy no matter what.

That's why it's so important.
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Khaelo
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posted October 09, 2003 06:22 PM

What matters in the end is how you treat real people, not characters.  You have a friend who respects you enough to be both gentle and honest with you about a sensitive issue.  You're obviously doing something right.    

By saying what he did, although it was undoubtably painful for you , he gave you honest feedback which could help you become an even better player.  Pretty much everything has room for improvement, even if it's really good already.  It sounds like your role-playing is very internal.  Perhaps your friend has some suggestions for helping you to express your internal "walk" in an external way that the other players can see?
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Lady_Milena
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posted October 09, 2003 06:37 PM

Well, I don't play political characters. I find it too much emotionally charging, neither is the mun capable of participating in the SLs involving politcis.

Obviously, it's hard even OOC wise to play the goodie two shoes. ;-)

What troubles me is that Bart found the reason to tell me now, one year after we've played. The moment I had gained enough confidence as a RPer.
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Djive
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posted October 09, 2003 07:19 PM
Edited By: Djive on 9 Oct 2003

Perhaps your characters are too predictible?

Perhaps other players can guess what your character will do before you let your character do it?

For some RP:er suspense on what is going to happen next is what they enjoy the most when RPing.

There is a point when basing actions on the biofile becomes oppresive to the game, and a straight-jacket instead of a help. (At the same time new players are required to do so, when they start out and learn how to RP. Therefore this is not something you will tell a new player, because they need to learn how to crawl, before they learn how to walk.)

Myself, I write stories mainly to get an outlet for creativity. I bore easily, and I hate predictibility in a story. While predictibility is essential for making the story progress, its detrimental if you let it decide the final outcome.

When I write I usually don't know myself how a story will end, before I decide to write the end. On the other hand my characters are overall predictible.

It may seem like a paradox, but is not all that difficult to do. There are uncertainties in almost all things. All you have to do is to find it.

I don't know if this is what you're facing. You will have to talk to Bart about it.

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ratnap
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posted October 09, 2003 07:31 PM

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Well, I don't play political characters. I find it too much emotionally charging, neither is the mun capable of participating in the SLs involving politcis.
Obviously, it's hard even OOC wise to play the goodie two shoes. ;-)
What troubles me is that Bart found the reason to tell me now, one year after we've played. The moment I had gained enough confidence as a RPer.


Perhaps this is just the first time he felt you were asking for an opinion.  And remember it is an opinion, and not necesarily more valid than your own.  
IMHO, if *you* are satisfied with your characterizations, and if your playing style is not interfering with someone else's enjoyment, everything's fine.  Obviously, there is a problem somewhere between you and this other player.  The two of you might want to discuss your differences, face-to-face, through a mediator, over e-mail, whatever, so that you can game together better.  You don't need to agree to play the same way, but both people should to understand and respect the others' opinions.  

Anyway, I like RPing because it forces me to lead a more examined life: a conflict between a band of fae and some Catholic fundamentalists makes me consider my own views on religion and belief.  A land war between humans and elves has parallels in world politics.  The loss of a PC reminds me how much I value the friends I play with.  
Plus, sometimes you just want to go out with your friends and bust a few heads.  And that's more fun when you're packin' fireballs.  
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Lady_Milena
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posted October 10, 2003 12:17 AM

Or maybe others judge sooooo easily without making any efforts to look deeper in a character. It's easy to accuse someone of being one dimensional when you don't care to look beyond one dimension.

Especially when you think your own creations are the most profound, the smartest and best developed.

Anyway, I'll go on RPing. In the end, I do not think it all matters.

Not a lot anyway.
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Celfious
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posted October 10, 2003 05:59 AM

Theres been small time organnizations of "third eye gaming" ppl.

Never played or looked into it, but the concept was revealing enough.

Mabey you use personal loling and emotion mixed with the character? I dunno, my fav rpging would have to be a virtuous golden mean between OOC and IC

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Medusa
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posted October 10, 2003 01:59 PM

I've tried so hard and got so far, but in the end, it doesn't even matter
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bjorn190
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posted October 10, 2003 02:39 PM

Quote:
Honestly, I felt like dying this very instant.

I've always had the confidence that I could build up a chracter well... to really be able to get into someone's shoes.

It's bad to shatter illusions.

In the end, would it really matter...



Hi,
You seem to be giving too much control over your happyness to those people that treat your characters bad. You should break free from them or start a civil movement to impose laws on how they treat the characters fairly.

And maybe you should think about strengthening your own personal character alittle as well

Anyways, good luck with it all. Let me know if I can help

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Lady_Milena
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Grannie Sweet Cheeks
posted October 10, 2003 11:47 PM

Oh, well, my characters get good treatment IC. Well. Accordingly to the personality cause no one liked my Malkavian dominatrix. :-P

It was the OOC 'feedback' that a kinda threw me off. Yeah, I should care less about what people think but it's also true that these are considered good RPers and I'm still new in the business.

Eh, maybe I should remind myself of my own saying "It's a matter of taste". No?
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