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chubby051
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posted November 06, 2003 05:09 AM |
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What is stupid is generalizing and stereo typing. Khayman put it nicely. Calling Americans stupid is pretty much calling all of Europe and many other countries stupid. Bush would have been stupid to not do anything about 9-11 or Iraq. Americans (imo) were feed up with the Clinton turn of the cheek approach. The first time the World Trade Centers were bombed (yes, for those who didn't know, 9-11 wasn't the first attempt to take down those buildings) and the USS Cole are perfect examples of Clintons answer to previous attacks. What was done about them? Nothing!!!
Another point I would like to make....
It was no big secret that we were going to end up at war with Iraq again. Do you really think Saddam would just leave the WMD's there for us to find? Nope. What better way to give America a black eye, and it obviously is working because people ignorant to put 2 and 2 together. And how interesting that Iraq's good buddy Syria is the one causing problems now. Hmmmmm, wonder where those weapons went? Must have vanished into thin air. Or maybe there never was any. All the equipment we HAVE found to make WMD's were just for everyday business purposes.
As for Bush....
It is also no secret that he is not a very good businessmen. I believe (could be wrong) he ran 3 of his father's companies bankrupt. Does this make him stupid? No, just a rotten businessmen. To pin the blame of the economy on ONE man is rediculous. Blaming just the government is pushing it far enough. Its very easy for the big businesses to point the finger at the government when in truth, a big portion of the blame falls upon themselves. What better way to calm the stockholders, "It's the governments fault because (fill in the BS here)."
Its the way of the world, and it will never change. There will always be wars and there will always be people pointing fingers. Get used to it because it will be here longer then you or I will.
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Lews_Therin
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posted November 06, 2003 05:19 AM |
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Priests VS historians, philosiphers, anthropoligists, anarchists whatever..
So, whose stupid?
Priests and anarchists.
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Celfious
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posted November 06, 2003 05:36 AM |
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Your telling me you know this lews?
You know for certain its the awnser you give us?
So, who should we all listen to then? since you know something. Whose right lews?
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Lews_Therin
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posted November 06, 2003 06:01 AM |
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Your telling me you know this lews?
Well, not exactly you. My contributions here are rather directed to people who are able to think and spell in a coherent manner.
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posted November 06, 2003 06:08 AM |
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Also (if this has not yet been discussed) take into account the fact that America has a very liberal bias in the media. Conservatives like Bush are rarely seen in a good light by most of the news channels out there, as the Democrats can manipulate the press much more easily than the Republicans are able to. Since most insights into the presidency are supplied by that same media, many Americans shape their beliefs cheifly based on that liberal bias.
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privatehudson
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posted November 06, 2003 07:04 AM |
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And how interesting that Iraq's good buddy Syria is the one causing problems now. Hmmmmm, wonder where those weapons went? Must have vanished into thin air. Or maybe there never was any. All the equipment we HAVE found to make WMD's were just for everyday business purposes.
That'll be fun considering a major seller of arms to Syria is... the UK! Wonder when Bush will impress on us the importance of a common approach? Or will we just refuse to side with him this time?
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Aquaman333
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posted November 06, 2003 08:53 PM |
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We conservatives know that Bush is doing a satisfactory job in office, liberal bias has no effect on me or most conservatives. If a Bush were a liberal, everyone would think he was the best american ruler since good ol' Lincoln.
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privatehudson
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posted November 06, 2003 11:09 PM |
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A "satisfactory job" depends on your expectations...
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chubby051
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posted November 06, 2003 11:17 PM |
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And how interesting that Iraq's good buddy Syria is the one causing problems now. Hmmmmm, wonder where those weapons went? Must have vanished into thin air. Or maybe there never was any. All the equipment we HAVE found to make WMD's were just for everyday business purposes.
That'll be fun considering a major seller of arms to Syria is... the UK! Wonder when Bush will impress on us the importance of a common approach? Or will we just refuse to side with him this time?
And even at this time they are still selling them arms?
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privatehudson
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posted November 06, 2003 11:57 PM |
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Put it this way, when Bush complained that Syria had passed onto Iraq the capability to produce Russian night vision equipment and night goggles, along with some samples he really should have checked a little. His argument was that nations should not trade with Rogue nations equipment designed to fight*. Unfortunately the UK has an agreement whereby it is totally legal for companies here to sell such equipment (though admitedly british and not russian) to Syria, and they do... There's also numerous other arms deals that occur between the nations and agreements whereby equipment can be traded by UK companies with Syria.
All in all not what you'd call a unified approach really...
* Given that western armies increasingly rely on night fighting for engagements, selling night goggles and similar is considered a direct insinuation that the buyer is protecting himself against western nations. Selling it to Iraq or Syria is just plain stupid considering they will then use said equipment to shoot our own troops should the allies choose to invade.
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Shadowcaster
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posted November 07, 2003 12:02 AM |
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Unfortunately the UK has an agreement whereby it is totally legal for companies here to sell such equipment (though admitedly british and not russian) to Syria, and they do... There's also numerous other arms deals that occur between the nations and agreements whereby equipment can be traded by UK companies with Syria.
By "agreement," do you mean a binding contract or just an allowance of such sales?
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privatehudson
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posted November 07, 2003 12:07 AM |
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Depends on the item, I'm lead to believe through Private Eye and other sources (ooops sorry, liberal media accusation coming from someone I just know it) that British companies did sell the night goggles etc, but the other agreements are just that, companies are permitted to without too much checking on if they do or not. So they know about the goggles, the other contracts may or may not exist, it's difficult to tell.
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posted December 04, 2003 01:30 PM |
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I think G.W. is giving the country a bad reputation; he has been quite arrogant in his handlings of Europe and Asia, and has not until the end of his first term become properly schooled in diplomacy. Whether he is an un-intelligent person, I cannot say, but it definitely seems to me that he is a man who is used to keep things simple - something that is seldom suited when discussing high-stakes diplomatic relations.
As for the question of the general intelligence of the American population, I feel that unless the country had at least a little brainpower, it would not be the world power it is today. USA's problem is how it presents itself to the world.
Watching late shows like "Ricki Lake" and "Jerry Springer" - of which the participants definitely are on the bottom end of the IQ-scale, the impression is given that this is the USA. It is not an accurate representation, however, and most Americans I know feel the same way about these shallow TV programs I do. I think that the people participating only constitute a small portion of the population, but when the population is so great, that still becomes a great number of people.
Kalah
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posted December 04, 2003 09:19 PM |
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Even though I am with those who think that GW Bush is not a very brilliant human being, I cannot help thinking that he, afterall, is smart enough to get (or trick or whatever you call it) more than half of the US voters to vote for himself.
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posted December 04, 2003 10:46 PM |
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Kalah, I totally agree with you. Those shows are total garbage. I know I don't want to be portraied(s?) like that.
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posted December 04, 2003 10:53 PM |
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more than half of the US voters to vote for himself.
Not quite.
Gore 50,999,897 (48.38%)
Bush 50,456,002 (47.87%)
Source Federal Election Commision (fec.gov)
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Wolfman
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posted December 04, 2003 11:01 PM |
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Yes, but electoral votes are what count. 
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privatehudson
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posted December 04, 2003 11:16 PM |
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My what a wonderful system 
Anyway in regards to the trashy type of programming like Springer, I would say it's also important to remember why people would actually watch that drivel. It's TV for those who like sensationalist gossip, it's like having half an hour of what the worst person/family in your street get up to. It's like going to watch a freak show sometimes. Why would anyone want to watch that? Because some sad, sad people like gossip and like sensationalism because it adds interest to their lives I guess.
Most who watch the likes of Springer for anything more than a laugh are nearly as bad as the ones on the programme. If that's what they prefer watching to something that requires the engagement of a brain cell to watch then fine, but they then lower themselves to that level, cheering and booing like they have a right to judge someone in a almost mob-justice style situation. And if they think sensationalising a group of people from a country who generally will do or say pretty much anything to get on TV anyway in any way represents the country at large.... well that says much for the viewers intelligence level rather than America's.
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Wolfman
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posted December 04, 2003 11:20 PM |
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I watched it once, just to see what all the fuss was about. One of the most disgusting displays of human regression I have ever seen.
The electoral votes have only had to have been used once before 2000 I think. In Jefferson vs. Adams, that's a long time. Almost 200 years ago.
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posted December 04, 2003 11:47 PM |
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Sad you have to make fun of the greatest nation on Earth to feel confident. So sad...
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