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Shadey
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posted July 13, 2007 02:30 PM

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I don’t want to be impertinence (I just register  to your  forum and  force in yours  opinions) but I think that telling what God would say, and what he wouldn’t say is a  waste of time, because we don’t know that.  If someone is untolerant than you cannot  force him  to make up his decisions, believes . The gays are treated like some handicaps people who need defence. I think that people should give a damn about everything the others said. I mean that people laugh about everything: gays, your weight, you’re believes etc, and we cannot do anything to make them stop. We can only don’t bother this .Just more distance ) Sorry for the mistakes


Despite the fact that we have the Bible, which is Gods direct communication to humans.  A god that doesn't communicate with their creation is a worthless god.  God didnt' inspire the Bible so in 2007 we could decide on our own what constitutes a transgression in his eyes.  

Christians don't make fun of people.  From a biblical point of view homosexuals, prostitutes, beastiality, orgies, fornicators, lust, adultery, pedophilia, and rape all constitute the same sexual sins that people should not participate in.  This is very serious to us...  We don't consider it some "handicap."  We also don't force anyone to believe what we believe.  

The point of my replys in this thread is smash the idea that Christianity is ok with homosexuality.  Beyond that I don't consider a homosexual to be any worse than an alcholic, or a prostitute, or even a fornicator.  The bottom line is it's just another sin in their life in the endless record of ways we have failed to live up to God's standard.  

If you have any objections to what I've said feel free to read my previous responses in this thread so I don't have to repeat anything.  

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bixie
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posted July 13, 2007 05:14 PM

one thing, do we want to live up to gods, or anyone elses, standards?

God may be omnipotent, all-powerful, all seeing and all hearing, but that doesn't mean he can command our lives. if we live our own lives, then there is nothing he can do to stop us. if he objected to us behaving in the way we do, why did he give us the basis of personality?

free will

if he didn't like us doing something, he would have stopped us from doing it. so far, we have had genocides, serial killers, huge gay gang-bangs, drug festas, all manner of sinful extremes, and he hasn't stepped in to stop us?

anyway. whats the point in hiding behind god saying "he doesn't like it,  so i don't either." it just makes you seem like a sycophantic little weed sucking up to a huge bully.
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Shadey
Shadey


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posted July 13, 2007 05:22 PM

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one thing, do we want to live up to gods, or anyone elses, standards?

God may be omnipotent, all-powerful, all seeing and all hearing, but that doesn't mean he can command our lives. if we live our own lives, then there is nothing he can do to stop us. if he objected to us behaving in the way we do, why did he give us the basis of personality?

free will

if he didn't like us doing something, he would have stopped us from doing it. so far, we have had genocides, serial killers, huge gay gang-bangs, drug festas, all manner of sinful extremes, and he hasn't stepped in to stop us?

anyway. whats the point in hiding behind god saying "he doesn't like it,  so i don't either." it just makes you seem like a sycophantic little weed sucking up to a huge bully.


If you don't have a standard to live up to, then you get... genocides, serial killers, huge gay gang-bangs, drug fiestas, and all manner of sinful extremes.  

Why hasn't God stepped in to stop us?  Well he did once with the flood.  You know Noahs Ark, where he killed all but 8 people on the planet because they were so sick, twisted, and evil that God was sorry that he even made man (free will and all that)

This point of time is called the dispensation of grace.  God is going to be graceful for a time allowing us to do whatever we want...  He has his Christians here to warn you that if you continue to live without a standard that someday your maker will come back and demand an account for your actions.  

Bully?  I'm here to help you save your life and your soul.  I expect a warmer response for someone trying to help you.  

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Vlaad
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posted July 13, 2007 05:41 PM
Edited by Vlaad at 17:43, 13 Jul 2007.

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huge gay gang-bangs
Ahahaha, this part is hilarious.

Why huge?

Why gay? Are hetero gang bangs OK?

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Shadey
Shadey


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posted July 13, 2007 05:54 PM

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huge gay gang-bangs
Ahahaha, this part is hilarious.

Why huge?

Why gay? Are hetero gang bangs OK?


LOL, it's not like I came up with it.  I was just quoting what that other guy said.  


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bixie
bixie


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my common sense is tingling!
posted July 13, 2007 06:23 PM

Shadey objects to anything that isn't in the bible.

normal gang-bangs should also be included.

noahs flood never happened.

we make our own way in the world, mate. i don't need my soul being saved by a lackey of a bigoted deity. if the devil has punishments for me, then bring them on! i wouldn't meet his expectations, no-one can! even those who were ment to be close to him like monks fell short! if he is so unforgiving as to not allow anyone who has committed 1 sin into his domain then no-one can get close to him except a few select people, namely, his son! i bet you are nowhere near the standard that he has set, so pack in the rubbish about spreading gods message. its been done before, and it went tits up them and its going tits up now! i don't need soul management advice from a guy who worships 1 god, because its like compiling all your debts into 1 payment (not clever and not cheap).
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chandler
chandler


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posted July 13, 2007 06:34 PM

my brother is gaythis will go on foreever
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Antipaladin
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posted July 13, 2007 08:33 PM

@shady,you actually compere homosexuality to alocholism? Dude,thats brutal,im not a homosexual but i havent a problam wiht such,i know such people they are not much more differnt then me or you.i dont care who they have sex with,and who they belive if any.Your a brutal,old,evil man,who IMO deserves no Internets
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Monika
Monika

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posted July 13, 2007 09:19 PM
Edited by Monika at 21:21, 13 Jul 2007.

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one thing, do we want to live up to gods, or anyone elses, standards?

God may be omnipotent, all-powerful, all seeing and all hearing, but that doesn't mean he can command our lives. if we live our own lives, then there is nothing he can do to stop us. if he objected to us behaving in the way we do, why did he give us the basis of personality?

free will

if he didn't like us doing something, he would have stopped us from doing it. so far, we have had genocides, serial killers, huge gay gang-bangs, drug festas, all manner of sinful extremes, and he hasn't stepped in to stop us?

anyway. whats the point in hiding behind god saying "he doesn't like it,  so i don't either." it just makes you seem like a sycophantic little weed sucking up to a huge bully.



Did you read Michai³s Bu³hakows „Master and Margaret”? I’m curios because in this book he have written a lot of very good arguments telling that God can  control humans life. People are saying that : “Homosexual are bad!” But maybe the heterosexual are bad? Homo aren’t for “straight” untolerant.. Was the homosexual natzi? I’m “straight”(I snowing hate this word), and I think that to tolerant people (not only gays) you must have a “open mind”.  And Christians don’t make fun of no one, they are tolerant ? They killed a lot of pagans for “the fame of God”? What about crusaders, inquisitor In German? Oh yeah… there were so good…  Jews, homosexual..I though that stupid way of thinking  was dead together with Adolf Hitler

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coldmystery
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posted July 14, 2007 02:27 AM

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I don’t want to be impertinence (I just register  to your  forum and  force in yours  opinions) but I think that telling what God would say, and what he wouldn’t say is a  waste of time, because we don’t know that.  If someone is untolerant than you cannot  force him  to make up his decisions, believes . The gays are treated like some handicaps people who need defence. I think that people should give a damn about everything the others said. I mean that people laugh about everything: gays, your weight, you’re believes etc, and we cannot do anything to make them stop. We can only don’t bother this .Just more distance ) Sorry for the mistakes


Despite the fact that we have the Bible, which is Gods direct communication to humans.  A god that doesn't communicate with their creation is a worthless god.  God didnt' inspire the Bible so in 2007 we could decide on our own what constitutes a transgression in his eyes.  

Christians don't make fun of people.  From a biblical point of view homosexuals, prostitutes, beastiality, orgies, fornicators, lust, adultery, pedophilia, and rape all constitute the same sexual sins that people should not participate in.  This is very serious to us...  We don't consider it some "handicap."  We also don't force anyone to believe what we believe.  

The point of my replys in this thread is smash the idea that Christianity is ok with homosexuality.  Beyond that I don't consider a homosexual to be any worse than an alcholic, or a prostitute, or even a fornicator.  The bottom line is it's just another sin in their life in the endless record of ways we have failed to live up to God's standard.  

If you have any objections to what I've said feel free to read my previous responses in this thread so I don't have to repeat anything.  


Gods direct communication to man? No it isnt numbnuts, gods direct communication through man came through the use of him COMMUNICating with man or using angels. The Bible is a collection of various written stories of these encounters. The bible isn't even a complete collection of those stories. You really lose alot of credability in an argument with your claim.
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Aculias
Aculias


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posted July 14, 2007 02:46 AM

Shadey is too smart for the flame wars.
I dont agree with some of the stuff he says but to people who believe in Christianity.
He is more right then you guys think.

I dont fully agree with everything he says but it is a matter of opinions.
You guys have your opinions & he has his.

Actually Gootchy your wrong
King James did not write the book.
It was made during his times but he did not personally write it .

I was just pulling an old flame war with you Shadey but the fact is.
The bible dont state people must marry Cristians.
They say they should.
Compatibility otherwise people would be at each others hair.

SOme of the stuff in the bible has not even happened yet.
Sorry to say Bixie but I have to say it.
Who cares about your earliar replies towards your attacks towards shadey.
This is an issue about the topic, not an attack towards Shadey.

Been awhile but if I remember right from your comment Bixie.
God promised never to flood earth again.
It will be set on fire.
Some people heard & sensed god before.
Some people has not.
It's confusing.

Some can argue that the bible is not contradicted at all.
I am too tired to get into it all right now.
I dont agree with SOME not most of what Shadey says but he is more right in the sense then yall think.

On page 20 as far as I read Bixie your comments are attacks & personally most of your comments on Shadeys 10 reasons are basically WHO CARES replies.
Mostly because your attacking the person & not the topic.

Oh & I am Nuetral

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Aculias
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posted July 14, 2007 02:48 AM

Dont forget it is also stated that there will always be war & the such.
Everyone sins.
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Daystar
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posted July 14, 2007 03:26 AM

These are several quotes I had to talk about:

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Despite the fact that we have the Bible, which is Gods direct communication to humans. A god that doesn't communicate with their creation is a worthless god. God didnt' inspire the Bible so in 2007 we could decide on our own what constitutes a transgression in his eyes.

Okay, firstly, Thor and Odin are not worthless.  They did not hang up on us, we hung up on them.  Why? Because Chritsianity is a jealous mistress, and does not want communication with others.  Has anyone actually listened to see if Ra, Odin, Zeus, or Herne are trying to talk to us, but we are not listening?  

Also, from the Chirstian Standpoint, God has said nothing to us for like 1600 years or more, except saints and peoples.  I god loves us and cares about us, could he not just make general announcements every 50 years or so?  You know  "...And now onto sports.  The Cherubim won the leauge in soccer, and Gabriel has a broken leg, so we don't know how long unitil he can play again"  

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We also don't force anyone to believe what we believe.

...Because it is so much simpler to kill them and save your breath.

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a standard to live up to

Thank You, Delores Umbridge.
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bixie
bixie


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my common sense is tingling!
posted July 14, 2007 09:03 AM

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Did you read Michai³s Bu³hakows „Master and Margaret”?


no i haven't

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SOme of the stuff in the bible has not even happened yet.
Sorry to say Bixie but I have to say it.
Who cares about your earliar replies towards your attacks towards shadey.
This is an issue about the topic, not an attack towards Shadey.

On page 20 as far as I read Bixie your comments are attacks & personally most of your comments on Shadeys 10 reasons are basically WHO CARES replies.
Mostly because your attacking the person & not the topic.



bollocks, i'm begining the sound like the bigot i'm putting down!

Shadey, i apologise. i just hate it when people start saying "I am gods messanger and here to save your soul!", because it sounds like a dodgy thing to do, leave your soul in someone elses hands.
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Nidhgrin
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posted July 14, 2007 09:44 AM

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Christians don't make fun of people.  From a biblical point of view homosexuals, prostitutes, beastiality, orgies, fornicators, lust, adultery, pedophilia, and rape all constitute the same sexual sins that people should not participate in.  This is very serious to us...  We don't consider it some "handicap."  We also don't force anyone to believe what we believe.  

The point of my replys in this thread is smash the idea that Christianity is ok with homosexuality.  Beyond that I don't consider a homosexual to be any worse than an alcholic, or a prostitute, or even a fornicator.  The bottom line is it's just another sin in their life in the endless record of ways we have failed to live up to God's standard.

This post is very offensive and misguided.  I'm straight myself, but a good friend of mine is gay.  It's one of the best people I know.

Homosexuality is not against nature, since it occurs in many animal species.  Obviously it wouldn't be good for a species to have a high percentage of homosexual individuals, since those couples are not reproducing.  But it's not wrong, or to be seen as a disease.  It's just different...

You compare gay people with alcoholics and fornicators.  I'd say you should at least be penalized for that comment.  There are limits to freedom of speech.

The bible is an interesting book, agreed.  Taking things it says literally, and considering it to be the sole thruth, is putting your own free will aside.  That's the road to fundamentalism.

By the way, do you honestly believe your God would want his followers to spend time and energy opposing homosexuality instead of doing more constructive things?  Please... give me a break.

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posted July 14, 2007 11:11 AM
Edited by Consis at 11:14, 14 Jul 2007.

Sorry But I Disagree

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You really lose alot of credability in an argument with your claim.

Shadey sounds credible to me. I do not think Shadey should be penalized for his comment in categorizing homosexuality with alcoholism. That is the way he sees it and he went even further to say that christians (himself included) don't force their beliefs on other people. (meaning that he himself doesn't force his beliefs on others) It doesn't seem like he is forcing his views on anyone. It seems he is attempting to help you people better understand the beliefs of a christian. That is no different from trying to explain any other religion or faith. Is he making attacks? I don't think so. I think he is explaining.

I think YOU are the ones attacking him! Suggesting he is on the path to fundamentalism? And then what, extremism? What is next, are you going to suggest he is considering bombing an abortion clinic? If you do then I hope YOU get a penalty!
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Nidhgrin
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posted July 14, 2007 12:10 PM

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Shadey sounds credible to me. I do not think Shadey should be penalized for his comment in categorizing homosexuality with alcoholism. That is the way he sees it and he went even further to say that christians (himself included) don't force their beliefs on other people. (meaning that he himself doesn't force his beliefs on others) It doesn't seem like he is forcing his views on anyone. It seems he is attempting to help you people better understand the beliefs of a christian. That is no different from trying to explain any other religion or faith. Is he making attacks? I don't think so. I think he is explaining.

I think YOU are the ones attacking him! Suggesting he is on the path to fundamentalism? And then what, extremism? What is next, are you going to suggest he is considering bombing an abortion clinic? If you do then I hope YOU get a penalty!

Comparing homosexuality with alcoholism and fornication is a severe insult to members who are gay, or have gay friends.  It's against the Code of Conduct, and should be penalized.  Period.

I never said Shadey is on the path to fundamentalism.  I said taking the content of the bible or other holy books literally, perceiving them as the thruth or the word of God, is a path to fundamentalism.  As far as I am concerned fundamentalism already is a form of extremism.

Your comment about bombing an abortion clinic, or me deserving a penalty is far out Consis.  Cool down...

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alcibiades
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posted July 14, 2007 12:25 PM

I actully agreed pretty much with Nidhgrin's post, but of course I'm kind of biased on the matter, which is why I generally keep out of it. As to who deserves penalties or not, I suppose that's up to the mods of this forum to decide. Happy reading to them.
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Nidhgrin
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posted July 14, 2007 12:52 PM

As to whether a warning or an actual penalty is given, that's indeed up for judgement by the mods of the other side.  I suppose they're in for some happy reading indeed.

I apologize for taking this thread even further off topic, but there's an interesting article about fundamentalism on Wikipedia (here) for those who are interested.  It has some good references too.

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Shadey
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posted July 14, 2007 02:03 PM

I'd like to set some things straight.

I'm not saying that homosexuals are to be directly compared with alcholics and murderers.  I'm saying that in the Christian faith (which I believe in) and accourding to the Bible (which is my sole authority on the Christian faith) all those activities are sins.  
On a worldly view obviously being a fornicator isn't even viewed as abnormal at this point in time.  (For those that don't know what a fornicator is, they are people who have sex before they are married, and Christians view this as a sin.)  All homosexuals ARE fornicators by the very definition fyi.  


As to God's forgiveness as a "fundamental" Christian believes.  A murderer and a lier both are goign to hell, the degree of the audacity of the transgression really are meanningless the sinner is still seperated from God in either case.  In this world however, a murderer goes to jail for many years, a lier recieves much less punishment.  This is the seperation I need you to understand.


As far as your friend being the best person you know.  In God's eyes both you and your friend are sinners, your a sinner because of the sins you have personally committed, your friend for the sins they have personally committed.  It isn't an issue of homosexuality.  Take away that issue and the two of you still have lied, cheated, hated others, lusted, and other uncountable evil things.  In God's justice there is no balance to weigh the difference between good and evil. One sin eternally seperates the sinner from God.  


The underlying reason to my posts is not that I'm trying to spend all my time and energy destroying an issue.  I'm trying to show that Christianity isn't about combating gays, but showing all sinners of their need for salvation of their souls.  

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