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Thread: Gay people [ This thread is 38 pages long: 1 2 3 4 5 6 7 8 9 10 11 12 13 14 15 16 17 18 19 20 21 22 23 24 25 (26) 27 28 29 30 31 32 33 34 35 36 37 38 ]
GothCowboy
GothCowboy


Hired Hero
posted July 19, 2007 05:12 PM

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You love to throw the word bigot around don't you.  Christ is bigoted against the devil, is Christ a bad person?  I'm bigoted against the concept of rape as well.  Do you think rape is ok?  Clearly in your mind anyone who stands up for themselves on an issue is a bigot...

Your post has so many holes in it I can't believe you hit the Submit Reply button.

1.  How exactly am I using the Bible for my own gain in this situation?  The comment doesn't even make sense.  Explain yourself.

2.  You not finding any passages that address the practice of homosexuality is your own fault for intentionally disregarding the text's message.  There are equally intelligent people arguing for both sides of this debate.  I hold to the views of conservative Christians that interpret the Bible's teachings that homosexuality is a sin and against the intended use of sex.

3.  It really isn't funny to me that your sect ordains homosexuals as pastors.  That of course is the right of your sect and it's members to participate in that practice.  I won't withhold my love from you.

4.  Members of my congregation love homosexuals just the same as ourselves or any other neighbor.  Perhaps you have love confused with tolerance?  God is not tolerant of sin, but loves sinners and wishes for them obey the gospel.  You might know this anyways and just wanted to personally attack me?

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bigotry bad, acceptance good.
 I guess I can only assume that you participate and enjoy rape, murder, stealing, assualt, genocide, and torture.  Otherwise, you would be a bigot.  



let us take this one at a time shall we, we don't want anyone to get lost here. bigot: a person obstinately or intolerantly devoted to his or her own opinions and prejudices. for your information i did look it up in the dictionary. don't wish to be accused of not knowing what i am talking about. so your use of the word against crimes is actually the wrong use of the word, please try again.

so now i will fill in those holes for you, as you so eliquently put it.

the use of the bible is a cop out in all matters of what is right when it comes to human, notice the word please, human rights. it actually makes you look like you are above all things, your gain. it actuality, it shows ignorance of the whole subject matter. there is no real world experience to fall back on. i on the other hand have many friends and even family that are gay, i would never pass judgement on them.

i never said that i couldn't find passages, i said that in the four books of christ, whom took on all the biggest issues, never once mentioned anything about gays, good or bad. if you find one passage, make that even half a passage, then i will bow down to you, but don't hold your breath, as i have been through all four books of christ, there is nothing. that includes the king james, the good news, as well as twenty other bibles versions. christ is the model, and he constantly corrected his disiples when they took the old teachings and used them instead of the love thy neighbor attitude. let me put it this way, if the disiples had had their way mary magdeline would have been stoned to death. according to the old testament.

as for your church, i am sorry for you and those around you. i am also quite conservative when it comes to "religious" matter. i use the term religious for there is no better term to use to describe it. but you see as a conservative i have learned that human rights come before personal bias'. you seem not to be able to seperate the two. my sect is able to see past bias and give everyone the same chances. that not only includes gay as pastors, but it also means an open communion, free to ask why, and many other freedoms to take control of our own experiences.

if those in your congregation truely loved gay people, they would not be trying to hold them down to a sub human level. they would be supportive of the person that is there. i in no way wish to attack anyone, and if you think that is what i am doing then you really have a long ways to go in trying to figure out the human race. i am engaging you in what i feel is an intelligent debate, that neither of us will win between the two of us, i don't think that your bias' will allow you to see past your nose. as for tolerance and love, believe me i know what love is, and tolerance is something every man, woman, and child should be learning in this world of today. for this world has thrown us into a situation that makes everyone a neighbor. a possible friend, and even the possible enemy. love is for god, and god says that we shall not judge. well i don't judge, it seems to me that you and your congregation do judge, how will god look at you?

bigot, refer to first paragraph. i am no bigot in any sense of the word. i accept people for who they are, not what i think they should be, now that doesn't mean i like everyone around me, it means i am tolerant of each and everyone i am around. i don't discriminate due to race, color, creed, or sexual preferance. these are private things to each and everyone. i stay out of their business. it is not for me to say how they live, that is their choice, and if god doesn't like it then they will pay, but i don't feel that is what is going to happen. i feel and believe deep in my heart, that god wishes all of us to love each other on the same level ground.

shadey, i believe you have some holes to fill in your heart, before you go around deciding how each person should live. not for me, not for setite, not for violent, not for you to judge anyone, for anything.

for those that read this, i am sorry for the length, but he asked me to answer all of these questions.    

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Garbax
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posted July 19, 2007 05:12 PM
Edited by Garbax at 17:14, 19 Jul 2007.

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As to your hypothetical situation concerning someone born with both sets of genitalia.  Since we can live in a modern world with medical tests such as chromosome analysis.  I'm sure that it won't be hard at all to determine the "real" sexual identity of that individual.  Although I'm sure you already know that there is no such thing as a "true hermaphrodite" in humans.  "What the hell do they do?"  Well as best as I can answer the question.  I'd say that they ought to behave as their sex is determined.  If they are males, they ought to marry and have sex with females. (if at all possible) If they are females, then vice versa.


Then may i ask, Shadey, how the hell the hermaphrodites would have fared in the early church? As far as i know, in those dark times they didn't have any kind of medical test to determine their "true" sex.

I know how they would have fared, they would have been killed by Moses or any of that kind, killed by the imperfect creation of an imperfect God, just because they didn't know which would have been the "right" sexual orientation because they didn't know which one was their sex in the first place!.

Way to go for the Just, Right and Merciful God...

Edit: Pardon me if i don't reply to you immediately, i still don't have Internet in my house and i'm studying for two important exams!
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GothCowboy
GothCowboy


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posted July 19, 2007 05:30 PM

now that i have answered the question at hand, i wish to thank all for the welcome. it is always a pleasure to be in a forum that allows people to debate the big questions, as well as the little questions. as a few here that do know me, know that i would never intentionally attack anyone for any reason, please remember that in the future if i decide to debate with you, lol. setite, violent, and the rest, for there were way too many that welcomed me to remember all of your names. oh and by the way, setite tart is the one that gave me my name several years ago.
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violent_flower
violent_flower


Promising
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Almost there.
posted July 19, 2007 05:37 PM

So glad to have you on board and your reply is a good frosting on a badly baked cake.Hope we will be up soon to visit..

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GothCowboy
GothCowboy


Hired Hero
posted July 19, 2007 05:44 PM

i know i can't wait to see you guys either. it has been too long, and the last time you guys came, there was a mix up, so i didn't get to see you two.
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Daystar
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posted July 19, 2007 05:44 PM

I think it would be realy interesting if someone coppied all of this down into a book (the thead, or perhaps just the last, what, 5 pages?)

Anyway, good to have you GC, don't worry the reply was not long at all.
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alcibiades
alcibiades

Hero of Order
Really, Ubisoft?
posted July 19, 2007 05:49 PM

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now that i have answered the question at hand, i wish to thank all for the welcome. it is always a pleasure to be in a forum that allows people to debate the big questions, as well as the little questions.


You're very welcome. It's refreshing with someone who can participate in the debate in a qualified manner instead of just throwing mud, which there has been a lot of during this thread.
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Lith-Maethor
Lith-Maethor


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posted July 19, 2007 05:51 PM

i mostly agree...

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Dude, first, grow up and live in the modern world, and face the fact that matrimony has not the only answer. second, let people do what the hell they want to with their sexual organs, hell, its theirs! for all i can care, they could anal rape a crab!



but DUDE! think about the crab
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GothCowboy
GothCowboy


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posted July 19, 2007 05:57 PM

LM, that was awesome, i was wondering if anyone else would pick up on the poor little crab.
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violent_flower
violent_flower


Promising
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Almost there.
posted July 19, 2007 06:02 PM

TSK TSK ALC, you are not referring to my mud pies are you?? Naughty thats what you are, naughty.

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alcibiades
alcibiades

Hero of Order
Really, Ubisoft?
posted July 19, 2007 06:05 PM

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TSK TSK ALC, you are not referring to my mud pies are you?? Naughty thats what you are, naughty.


You were not top on my list, but guilty as charged, I must admit.
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violent_flower
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posted July 19, 2007 06:13 PM

Well my points were valid and my point was made so eat my pie.....LOL
I don't like racist, judgmental newbs..  

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GothCowboy
GothCowboy


Hired Hero
posted July 19, 2007 06:20 PM

now VF, they do need to learn somehow, and in some way. so why not take the advantage of being the informed one and teach. you know me, i can be as diplomatic as i want and still debate a point.
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Corribus
Corribus

Hero of Order
The Abyss Staring Back at You
posted July 19, 2007 07:11 PM
Edited by Corribus at 19:12, 19 Jul 2007.

Shadey wrote:

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As to your hypothetical situation concerning someone born with both sets of genitalia.  Since we can live in a modern world with medical tests such as chromosome analysis.  I'm sure that it won't be hard at all to determine the "real" sexual identity of that individual.  Although I'm sure you already know that there is no such thing as a "true hermaphrodite" in humans.  "What the hell do they do?"  Well as best as I can answer the question.  I'd say that they ought to behave as their sex is determined.  If they are males, they ought to marry and have sex with females. (if at all possible) If they are females, then vice versa.

My friend I don't really think you want to bring chromosome analysis and genetics into the argument.  It hurts your case much more than it helps it.

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Aculias
Aculias


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posted July 19, 2007 08:12 PM

Sounds like a degrader.
Would Jesus Degrade anyone ?

Maybe revolutuon hurts his case.

I think some people do not understand the meaning of what the bible says.
Too much racism, degrading & hatred toward other human beings.

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violent_flower
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Almost there.
posted July 20, 2007 12:43 AM

Thank you Corr... Well said.
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bixie
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posted July 20, 2007 03:58 AM
Edited by bixie at 05:53, 20 Jul 2007.

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Dude, first, grow up and live in the modern world, and face the fact that matrimony has not the only answer. second, let people do what the hell they want to with their sexual organs, hell, its theirs! for all i can care, they could anal rape a crab!



but DUDE! think about the crab


the crab is gay and enjoys it

its more dangerous for the guy to did the crab, they have sharp pincers!
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Daystar
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Back from the Dead
posted July 20, 2007 04:01 AM

okay, this is getting sad...
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Messaro
Messaro

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posted July 20, 2007 07:22 AM
Edited by Messaro at 08:48, 20 Jul 2007.

ok, this a JOKE! its a fact, that homosexuals cannot have kids (unless adopted, God forbid), right? then how the hell their numbers keep growing? now, serious, I dont like gay people, but if they dont try to flirt or something like this with me, I will not hassle them, chase them with torches and pitchforks or whatever. They are three gays that rules: Fredy Mercury (R.I.P., great voice!), Big Gay Al and Mr. Slave (Hi there, South Park-etiers )

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Consis
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posted July 20, 2007 08:40 AM

Gay Marriage

I will not vote for gay marriages ever.
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