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And if it is not bad enough, he has deliberately and purposely killed his own people in countless attacks in Iraq, many of them friendly fire.
Uhmmm, excuse me, but I doubt very much you can prove that Bush would deliberately kill his own people.
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I'll Not Leave This Quality Thread To Fade Away
Presidential Debate #1:
I have an important question first. To whom do the debates actually influence for their highly coveted votes? My gut tells me it would be to 'undecided independents'.
As for myself, I think Kerry won the debate very much so, however I am led to question the importance of a debate in a presidential election.
Personally, I was pleased that Kerry had chosen to admit his mistake for what he'd said about the $87 billion, that was to supply troops with fresh body armor and many other things. I know quite well that the republican side of the house decided to attach a large portion of extraneous items to the bill. But I also know that when your troops need supplies, this is not the time to get caught in the details of a bill's semi-contraversial details. I personally feel the troops come first, then come your principles.
I also frankly disagree with Kerry's position on bilateral talks with Kim jong il. I think North Korea needs to be pressured by the most important country holding the highest influence over it, ie. China. I have always believe China to be the deciding factor in the outcome of North Korea's fate. I think the problem is that North Korean policy is to reject economic reform while starkly holding to the Stalin-style of communism. China tried that already and it wasn't until it began minor economic reforms that its economic capacity quadrupled!
Concerning France and Germany with regards to Iraq, I honestly don't give a darn what they think. If they think their withholding investment and troops in Iraq is going to somehow make them look less savage in the eyes of the world then those people need to wake up and smell the Saudi Royal bagels. I swear those bagels have diamond-crusted chocolate chips.
Russia.....Russia....Russia....not good. *sigh*.......If democracy dies in Russia we won't have another George H.W. Bush(sr) to bail us out of another cold war. Will they begin a strengthened military strategy once again? Will it once again threaten eastern Europe? I suppose I don't know but there is one thing I do know. Throwing your political opposition in jail is exactly what Hitler did. This is most certainly a step towards fascism. Beslan will pale to a 'Chechen cleansing', mark my words. The world will not stand by and let the Chechens be genocidally erased from existence.
Iraq, I really felt as though I could relate to the way Kerry described this issue. He said it was like dropping a clay pot in store in which you now had to pay for it and take it home to repair and fix because you owned it and it was yours. I like this analogy because I feel Iraq was wrong to begin with and now we need to fix the pot that we had to pay for with american lives and taxpayer dollars. I agree with both candidates that it won't be easy and I am so very thankful that my children are far too young to be a possible soldier in this mistaken war.
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posted October 09, 2004 04:09 PM |
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I've A Question
I think this thread is better than the Bush/Kerry debate thread. Please excuse me if I offend anyone for not posting there.
My question is pertains to a quote from last night's debate:
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"Do you realize, 900,000 small businesses will be taxed under his plan because most small businesses are Subchapter S corps or limited partnerships, and they pay tax at the individual income tax level?"
Bush was saying this to Kerry and I do not understand what this means. What does it mean when he says the small businesses pay tax at the individual income tax level?
I was also confused about their exchanges on the drug purchases from Canada. Bush said he wanted to make sure the drugs passed F.D.A. regulations first while Kerry replied that the drug precautions were already in place. I followed them this far and then I was thrown off when Kerry said the drugs were made in the U.S. If the drugs were made in the U.S. then how are we purchasing them from Canada for cheaper prices? I am confused about this as well.
Aside from these two questions, my vote is otherwise solidified. Once these questions have been answered, I will make my final decision for whom to vote for. Thus far I have been swayed by the comments of Rumsfeld, Bremmer, and the Cia intelligence officer responsible for finding out whether Saddam had w.m.d.'s or not. I was also greatly honored when I finally heard Kerry discuss parts of his senate record in the debate last night. I am fully aware that Kerry has a voting record of raising taxes. I knew this from the start. My concern was that he was trying to not talk about it. When Bush said he is going to raise our taxes, if elected president, I knew he was speaking the truth.
I personally feel that the debate between Mondale and Reagan best describe my feelings on this matter. Mondale said, "He'll raise your taxes. He won't tell you, I just did."
When he said this I felt the american people subtly replied to this with rejection. As an american I know our taxes are needed to fund our government, and as my wife always reminds me, I don't like to be reminded that my hard-earned dollars are being sent to an organization that is 25% secrecy/25% promises/25% policy/and 25% appointments. It's an organization that I know will keep us safe but has never dealt with me or my family directly. I feel no connection with this body except through the military.
I simply would rather I weren't reminded that my taxes were going to be raised. I know they will because it's a fact of life for any government anywhere in the world. As long as it doesn't take my means of living away from me I suppose it's something that has to be done.
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posted October 09, 2004 04:54 PM |
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I was also confused about their exchanges on the drug purchases from Canada. Bush said he wanted to make sure the drugs passed F.D.A. regulations first while Kerry replied that the drug precautions were already in place. I followed them this far and then I was thrown off when Kerry said the drugs were made in the U.S. If the drugs were made in the U.S. then how are we purchasing them from Canada for cheaper prices? I am confused about this as well.
Countries that have some sort of universal health care benefit from being able to bargain with drug companies as a single buyer. Basically, they get a bulk discount because they are buying for the whole country at once. In the US, on the other hand, each buyer is small and doesn't have the bargaining leverage to get the wholesale rate. So the reason why the same drugs made at the same factory in the US will be cheaper if bought from Canada than the US is essentially the middle man issue.
The scenarios are as follows:
Now:
1. US company, say Pfizer, makes drug.
2. Local drugstore purchases drug and retail price.
3. You buy drug at retail price plus markup so that local drugstore can make a profit.
Final drug price : retail + markup
When Kerry is president:
1. Pfizer makes drug.
2. Canadian healthcare system buys drug at bulk rate.
3. You buy drug at bulk rate plus markup = retail.
Final drug price : retail without markup.
I can't answer your question about tax law since I only have a vague understanding of it. I can say that basically, it boils down to Bush = regressive tax, Kerry = progressive tax. Bush's cuts on capital gains and dividend taxes are ways to change the income tax into a wage tax. In other words, kid whos money comes from a trust fund -- dividends and capital gains pays low tax rate. Guy who actually does work and gets a pay check pays higher tax rate. That's what Kerry was talking about in the first debate about the guy sitting by his swimming pool paying a lower rate on his dividend check than the soldier in Iraq paying taxes on a paycheck.
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posted October 10, 2004 03:32 AM |
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Consis:
Individuals who are in business for themselves (a doctor with a private practice or your dentist, for example) are usually "S" corps. who pay tax as if they wer just individuals (beacuse they are). Big companies, "C" corps., pay lower tax rates and get different kinds of tax breaks (most of which should be criminal, imho).
To another point--no contact with the Federal Government of the US? Surely you jest! Does the postal worker not deliever mail to you? That's the Federal Government of the United States. Do you drive on the Interstate Highways? That's the Federal Government of the United States. Ever flown on a plane? Who's in the tower making sure the planes don't collide? It's the FAA. That's the Federal Government of the United States. Got any dollar bills in your pocket? That's the Federal Government of the United States. And what about your Constitutional rights--right to free speech, etc. Where did those come from? That's the Federal Government of the United States. Suffice it to say, we take the Federal Government of the United States for granted. We tend to ignore all the things it does for us. But it's a wonderful institution, and, in general, we love the things it does--we just don't want to have to pay for them.
-Laelth
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posted October 10, 2004 05:42 PM |
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posted October 13, 2004 01:18 PM |
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Bush is a figment of his own imagination, he thought he was the king when he was young and now thinks he is unstoppable. But what his small brian does not understand is that he is and always will be an snow! Nuff said....
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posted October 13, 2004 04:45 PM |
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Stupid Is As Stupid Does
Drizzit so eloquently wrote:Quote:
Bush is a figment of his own imagination, he thought he was the king when he was young and now thinks he is unstoppable. But what his small brian does not understand is that he is and always will be an snow! Nuff said....
Small brian? Enough said...
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posted October 13, 2004 06:45 PM |
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Well put, Khayman. 
I usually ignore people when they don't make any sense at all. Too much Micheal Moore for some people...not healthy.
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posted October 13, 2004 06:54 PM |
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Did you hear about that new report from the weapons inspectors? Says that although there weren't any WMD in Iraq, there were some other materials that could be used to build WMDs. BUT the inspectors knew where they were and were in the proccess of acquiring them. When the US forced them out of Iraq to start the invasion, they had to stop getting the materials. When they were allowed back in, the stuff was gone and has since turned up in many nations across the world. What does that tell you...?
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posted October 13, 2004 07:23 PM |
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Well put, Khayman.
I usually ignore people when they don't make any sense at all. Too much Micheal Moore for some people...not healthy.
Funny how you want to vote for one then
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posted October 14, 2004 03:59 AM |
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Just to balance things out around here...
I came across this photo and had a nice chuckle, and of course I thought about you guys.
Courtesy of CollegeHumor.com
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posted October 14, 2004 02:50 PM |
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The older Kerry (ie, the current one) bears a more striking resemblence. I'd say this is all the more reason to elect Kerry. Nothing helps negotiations like having the other guy afraid you're going to lean across the table and eat his brains.
Imagine:
Kerry : Germany, give us troops.
Germany : Nien!
Kerry : I'LL EAT YOUR BRAINS!!!
Germany : Okay! We'll send troops to Iraq.
Kerry : France, give us troops.
France : Non!
Kerry : KERRY KILL FRENCHMAN!!!!
France : We will aid in Iraq!
Kerry : Terrorists, surrender.
Terrorists : No!
Kerry : I'LL GRIND YOUR BONES INTO JELLY!
Terrorists : Okay, we give up, just protect us from Kerry!
And yet, nobody will hire me as their campaign manager.
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posted October 14, 2004 05:20 PM |
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Personally I think he looks more like Herman Munster. But I don't know how to post pics in this place.
Anybody wanna give it a try?
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ROFL! I just googled Herman Munster and found a whole bunch of sites comparing Kerry and Munster. I just don't know how to link them here.
Okay, here's one... is this legal?
http://www.themunsters.johnefrem.us/Herman%20Munster.htm
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posted October 14, 2004 05:36 PM |
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Peacemaker,
You and I both seem to be at the same level of understanding of the internet and how it works. Try visiting my thread, "PICTURE POSTING PRACTICE". Khaelo explains and helps for just about of every conceivable scenario. I learned a great deal from her in that thread. And I am still trying to learn how to do the web hosting space thing. Khaelo = plethora of internet wizardry and knowledge. You can find it here:
 http://heroescommunity.com/viewthread.php3?FID=3&TID=11323
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posted October 14, 2004 10:14 PM |
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Peacemaker, didn't I explain to you how to post pictures before?
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posted October 15, 2004 12:59 AM |
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LOL -- probably. Don't forget -- I'm going senile.
Actually, I think you tried to explain it to me, then just gave up and posted them yourself. Rmember the grass on Mars thread?
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posted October 15, 2004 01:43 AM |
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Did you hear about that new report from the weapons inspectors? Says that although there weren't any WMD in Iraq, there were some other materials that could be used to build WMDs. BUT the inspectors knew where they were and were in the proccess of acquiring them. When the US forced them out of Iraq to start the invasion, they had to stop getting the materials. When they were allowed back in, the stuff was gone and has since turned up in many nations across the world. What does that tell you...?
Don't you realize that you, or anyone, can make bombs w/simple household chemicals? So saying that they have the capability of making them doesn't mean that we don't as well. It's just household cleaner's! Honest!
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posted October 16, 2004 07:50 PM |
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posted October 16, 2004 08:52 PM |
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Couldn't Resist...See Pic Above
"Look, everyone! It's that scary looking guy who turned our national security decisions over to the Europeans!"
"You mean the same guy who raised our parents' taxes so much that we didn't get any Christmas presents?"
"Yep, that's the guy."
"LET'S GET HIM!"
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