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Thread: Why George Bush Should Not Be Re-elected. This thread is 18 pages long: 1 2 3 4 5 6 7 8 9 10 11 12 13 14 15 16 17 18 · «PREV / NEXT»
Svarog
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posted June 04, 2004 02:14 PM

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It cries out for a reply refuting your claim.

It must have been painful for you to restrain.
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posted June 04, 2004 03:56 PM

Agonisingly so
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posted June 04, 2004 07:22 PM
Edited By: Peacemaker on 18 Jun 2004

...and now for something completely different

Totally off-topic

Hey, Khay!  It was sooo good to meet you the other day!  Apparently you have all made it home in one piece.  How did the race go?

Yes, it's true, Khayman and I have actually laid eyes on one another in REAL LIFE.  I will personally vouch for the fact the he does, in fact, exist, and is not a figment borne in a Dudley Dooright cartoon.  He is, howewever, every bit as charming, handsome, intelligent, polite, chivalrous, and generally wonderful, both as Dudley Dooright, and as he appears to be in HC.

I, on the other hand.... well, it were as though somebody left me running and forgot to turn me off.  Poor Khayman was assaulted with my overbearing fifth-gear personality for nearly two hours nonstop.  He probably felt like he was watching a totally out-of-control one-woman pingpong ball game in a very small room with close walls.  I did notice his head bobbing back and forth several times as though he were trying to keep up with me. A mere four glasses of wine did not slow me in the least -- in fact, I think I only kept going faster.  However, no table-dancing-lampshade-on-the-head was to be had (don't worry Khay -- you didn't miss a thing).

No boy-toy jokes please.  

Now, sorry for posting this off-topic, but I am going on vacation until the middle of June, and will probably not be able to respond to any complaints until my return.  Try not to tear one another's head off while I'm gone!!!

[EDIT] Note:  This post has been reproduced in "Don't Be Hating" thread in Other Side so that the conversation can be pursued more appropriately there.  Since there are responses to this post in this thread I have not deleted it.

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posted June 05, 2004 12:57 AM

Just curious. Did you call yourselves by RL names or HC user names?
In fact, i think i'll start a thread about RL meetings so that we don't spam it here.
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posted June 10, 2004 03:51 PM
Edited By: Wub on 10 Jun 2004

Hello dArGOn,

I noticed that you are back at the boards for a while now and that’s good, even if it were only to ensure that there was some right-wing feedback for our generally leftist community . I would like to respond to your post at page 5 named Response to bort’s original premise/argument. Yes, I know that you made this post some time ago, but in this forum I am a bit of a lurker and as long as my views are adequately defended by other posters, I refrain from joining the debate. This time however, nobody answered your post so therefore I would like to comment on it. As most of this discussion was already held in the ‘Attack Iraq?’ thread, I would like to focus on a specific point you made. Bort stated the following:

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In addition, if your goal is to alleviate human misery, the >$100 billion spent and to be spent on this war seems a bit low yield in terms of human misery avoided per $. You want to alleviate human misery? Vaccinate 3rd world children, distribute condoms in Africa to prevent AIDS, build water treatment plants and hospitals, give scholarships to train doctors from the 3rd world.

Your answer was as follows:

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Umm this is being done and done and done and done...look into it you might be surprised at all the humanitarian work being done by the USA and charity.

I find your statement somewhat disturbing, my friend, especially because you brought up this point on several occasions. On page 4 of the ‘Attack Iraq?’ thread, for example, you stated:

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we give the most humanitarian aid on the planet!

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that is not even mentioning all of our private charities which give a huge amount of time, money, and personal work to relieve world hunger, diseases, etc.

What I would like to make clear is that the United States of America are in fact one of the industrialized countries that give the least amount of money to Official Development Assistance (ODA). ODA is usually measured as a percentage of the gross domestic product. During the seventies, rich countries promised to spend at least 0.7% of their gross domestic product to ODA, but the USA is not even close to achieving this United Nations target as can be seen from the following chart:



So in fact the USA gave only 0.09% of their gross domestic product to foreign aid! I know the above chart is not very extensive, so to get a more complete picture, I’d encourage you to look at the first chart that is given in this document. You can see there that in 1997 my country (the Netherlands) gave 0.81% or 2.95 billion dollar to foreign aid (and in my opinion even that is meager). DArGOn, you probably have a fairly accurate idea of how small my country is, but it appears that in dollars(!), we gave almost half of what the USA spend at foreign aid!

My conclusion therefore is that it is unjust to claim that the USA are a leading nation when it comes to foreign aid. I find this important to notice, because in my experience many Americans are proud of how compassionate and good doing their country is. And I don’t have problems when people like their country, but they should not be doing that based on false beliefs.

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khayman
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posted June 10, 2004 11:07 PM

Economic Aid...The Bottom Line

Wub wrote:
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So in fact the USA gave only 0.09% of their gross domestic product to foreign aid!...You can see there that in 1997 my country (the Netherlands) gave 0.81% or 2.95 billion dollar to foreign aid (and in my opinion even that is meager). DArGOn, you probably have a fairly accurate idea of how small my country is, but it appears that in dollars(!), we gave almost half of what the USA spend at foreign aid!
First of all, your chart dislpays percentages of Gross Domestic Product (GDP), which paints a distorted picture without the actual GDP totals from each country.  You can find a list of countries ranked by total economic aid here at Nationmaster.com (a pretty cool site, BTW)
http://www.nationmaster.com/graph-T/eco_eco_aid_don#

Basically, the Netherlands gave 9 times as much economic aid as a percentage of GDPas the United States, which is very impressive and kind indeed.  However, the United States gave almost $7 million in economic aid in 1997.  What does that mean?  That means the United States gave almost two times as much money in total economic aid in 1997 as the Netherlands did in 1999, but the chart does not show that.  The chart is designed to make smaller contributions appear larger by using percentage of GDP.  Also, note the "20th" above the United States as well, nice touch.  
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My conclusion therefore is that it is unjust to claim that the USA are a leading nation when it comes to foreign aid. I find this important to notice, because in my experience many Americans are proud of how compassionate and good doing their country is. And I don’t have problems when people like their country, but they should not be doing that based on false beliefs.
The United States of America is indeed one of the leading contributors of economic aid (second only to Japan).  When you start talking about percentages instead of total numbers, it paints a different picture.  I understand as a percentage, the Netherlands gives more, but you cannot discount the bottom line.  $7 billion is a lot of money.  Even the bar chart is designed to mislead the viewer and devalue the United States' foreign aid contributions.

So if people would like to make themselves 'feel good' about their government's generosity while contrasting it with the United States selfishness, then they can look at it from the bar chart's perspective and get a nice, warm feeling in their hearts.  Whatever the intent, it should not diminish the fact that all of those countires take money out of their own pockets to assist other countries.

Besides, the United States can't give too much of their money away to the less fortunate. They have too many bombs to make and regimes to overthrow, not to mention an unquenchable thirst for oil, especially in the Persian Gulf region.  Just think...If Saddam would have just given us the rights to his country's oil fields and contracts, imagine how much the United States could have saved on military spending and contrubuted to economic aid. Basically, it is Saddam's fault that we continue to give so little to other countries.  See, Saddam really is a bad guy, just like we George Bush said he was!  He's got my vote already!  Get ready for four more years of Bush everyone!

By the way, the Netherlands wouldn't happen to have an oil or natural gas reserves for negotiation, would they?

Personal Note: I am not 'proud' of "how compassionate and good doing [my] country is" because of economic aid contribitions.  I just enjoy living in a country where  everyone criticizes our government and way of life, but when we do something that really makes other people angry, the only thing that they can do about it is...criticize.  
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posted June 11, 2004 03:34 AM
Edited By: Wub on 10 Jun 2004

Hello Khayman,

The link that you posted does indeed lead to an interesting site. I just have to use it against you . On average, a Dutch citizen pays $216.71 dollar a year to foreign aid while an American citizen pays $23.76. The fact that your country happens to have more inhabitants is irrelevant.

Or have it your way: Europe is the leading continent when it comes to Official Development Assistance while North-America is far and far behind (and this time it is true for the actual number of $ donated as well).

Or to put it differently, if the total amount of money donated to foreign aid is a good measure for being a leading nation in it, then I could as well say that the total amount of murders in a country is a good measure for being a leading nation in it. In the year 2000 there were 12,658 murders in your country, while there were 183 in mine. So I guess then it is quite justified to say that America is an extremely criminal and murderous country ?

I’d also like to say that I don’t really get a “nice, warm feeling” in my heart when looking at those foreign aid charts. Here in the Netherlands people generally are not very patriotic at all. If I say that I am “proud on my great nation”, then I am almost assured of being ridiculed . I only wanted to compare my country with the USA to make my case more specific and personal.

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By the way, the Netherlands wouldn't happen to have an oil or natural gas reserves for negotiation, would they?

Well actually we have, but don’t worry, Bush has realized that too already . With his ‘The Hague invasion act’ he can be sure to have an excuse to invade the Netherlands at any time. Personally I expect my country to be included in the axis of evil within two years, so presumably the 'pre-emptive strike' will follow in about three years (just one year after the ‘pacification’ of Syria). This time, Bush can be sure to discover weapons of mass destruction as well, since we allowed the USA to place their weapons in our country. So yeah, I’d better immigrate to North Korea. .

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I just enjoy living in a country where everyone criticizes our government and way of life, but when we do something that really makes other people angry, the only thing that they can do about it is...criticize.

Or hijack an airplane or two I’m afraid…
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posted June 11, 2004 04:14 AM

spoken as if theres an after life

Biasts, mark my words. Your idiots and you'll know this one day. If pride were any part of heaven I would be there when you find out.


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khayman
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posted June 11, 2004 04:39 AM

Where The Heck Are The Netherlands Anyway?

Hello Wub!
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The link that you posted does indeed lead to an interesting site. I just have to use it against you .
I figured that you (and a few others) would enjoy that site, as there is so much data and information, ranging from personal wealth to crime rates.
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On average, a Dutch citizen pays $216.71 dollar a year to foreign aid while an American citizen pays $23.76. The fact that your country happens to have more inhabitants is irrelevant.
Please keep in mind, the numbers that the U.S. reports for its population are taken from our National Census.  We have quite a few more folks taking up residence here than is reported; however, there are not that many more to make up the additional $192.95 that your country contributes per citizen.    $216.71 is a lot of money, no matter how you look at it.  I hope it is being put to good use.
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Europe is the leading continent when it comes to Official Development Assistance while North-America is far and far behind (and this time it is true for the actual number of $ donated as well).
That's only because we are too busy causing the destruction and harsh economic conditions in those countries receiving the developmental assistance.  
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In the year 2000 there were 12,658 murders in your country, while there were 183 in mine. So I guess then it is quite justified to say that America is an extremely criminal and murderous country ?
How can I argue with those numbers?  I can't.  Perhaps I can make the argument that out of those 12,658 murders in 2000, only 658 murderers were actually convicted as a result of our liberal judicial system, such as lawyers having their clients found not guilty as a matter of improper arresting procedures and mistrials.
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I only wanted to compare my country with the USA to make my case more specific and personal.
We're getting used to being the 'bad guys', no worries.
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With his ‘The Hague invasion act’ [Bush] can be sure to have an excuse to invade the Netherlands at any time. Personally I expect my country to be included in the axis of evil within two years, so presumably the 'pre-emptive strike' will follow in about three years (just one year after the ‘pacification’ of Syria). This time, Bush can be sure to discover weapons of mass destruction as well, since we allowed the USA to place their weapons in our country.
That's my guess about how most of Iraq's weapons got there in the first place, from the U.S., France, and Russia.  I knew we should have buried a few tons of mustard gas in Iraq during the first Gulf War.  It would have saved us so much time and made us appear as if the current conflict was justified.
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I just enjoy living in a country where everyone criticizes our government and way of life, but when we do something that really makes other people angry, the only thing that they can do about it is...criticize.

Or hijack an airplane or two I’m afraid…
How so very, very true and extremely sobering.  In spite of this gruesome reality, can I still boycott French wine and German chocolate to give me that 'warm' feeling?

Wub, I enjoyed your posts.  Now I am going to try to locate the Netherlands on the world map, which is hard for we Americans to do, since I don't believe we have started any conflicts there...yet.  
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posted June 11, 2004 05:41 AM

Khayman, we're getting used to being the bad guys?
What are you looking from acceptance from people who stereotype americans?

And about the little .09% average americans are taxed, for one thing, I ****ing guarentee you it wasnt our choice to pay that little or any other tax we pay to much for. Illinois residents have paid  over 9hundred MILLION for the war and trust me, 99.9% of us never said "I want to pay this mch for war"

That cash could IMPROVE OUR BAD neighborhoods, provide CLEAN WATER for countries that cant get on this internet and call you all greedy, selfish, ignorant, and inhumane.

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posted June 11, 2004 06:29 AM

Hold Those Horses! You Must Have Me Confused With Someone Who Gives A &%*#$!

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Khayman, we're getting used to being the bad guys?
What are you looking from acceptance from people who stereotype americans?
I thought you knew me better that that.  I could care less about how the rest of the world views the United States.  All I am concerned about is ensuring that we stay on top of the economic food and power chain.  "Arrogance breeds ignorance" is what some people may say about the United States, but most of those people (if they have any common sense) understand that even if Americans are arrogant and ignorant, the status quo is not going to change overnight, and the United States will continue to do whatever it wants, regardless of the rest of the world's opinions.  Perhaps this will lead to our downfall; however, I think you and I will be long gone before that day ever comes.
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And about the little .09% average americans are taxed, for one thing, I ****ing guarentee you it wasnt our choice to pay that little or any other tax we pay to much for. Illinois residents have paid  over 9hundred MILLION for the war and trust me, 99.9% of us never said "I want to pay this mch for war"
Look at it this way, you would probably rather pay taxes than having to go over there and do the U.S. government's 'dirty work' yourself.  Don't feel bad about paying takes either, as all those non-Americans who are consuming our wonderful 'Made In The USA' products are indirectly contributing to our war efforts as well (by way of U.S. corporate income tax)...you know, such as those millions of people around the world who buy computers with Intel Pentium processors or Microsoft Windows operating systems...
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That cash could IMPROVE OUR BAD neighborhoods, provide CLEAN WATER for countries that cant get on this internet and call you all greedy, selfish, ignorant, and inhumane.

People have to have something to complain about, otherwise they may actually be happy and satisfied.  We could not have that!  I say raise U.S. federal and state taxes on alcohol, tobacco, and firearms in order to help pay for the war and help clean up the states, because you know that Americans would go without food or water in order to support their habits.  

Also, while we are at it, I think that the U.S. should also raise taxes on gasoline so that it hits about $3.50 a gallon.  That way some of us would be forced to use public transportation which would help reduce the environmental effects of pollution, while others would be forced to walk or ride bicycles to work so that they would actually get some exercise in their daily routines.  Just my two cents...or rather one-and-ahalf cents after taxes.  
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posted June 11, 2004 07:06 AM
Edited By: Celfious on 11 Jun 2004

its just that i didnt know what to make of the way you said we're getting used to being the bad guys lol.

No big deal, I also do agree with that gas thing. Some Americans dont realize some people pay 4 a gallon.  If they did that (raising taxes to imrpove the enviroment) then some people would cry, which is a flaw in our system. Mabey the democrats will not care what people think? lol yea right.

I'm not trying to make any points as I am so inferior to reality.  so im done typing..  Especialy where all the inferior voices would consider mine more worthless than theirs lmao.

edit: oh, and my use of the word ****ing was definatly not coming from hostility but my ****ing computer crashed when I tried to edit it out.
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posted June 17, 2004 04:30 AM

Hello Khayman,

Is it me or do I sense some cynicism in your post? . I’m not exaggerating if I say that I read almost all of your posts (especially on this forum), but now I’m a bit confused, actually. In this thread for example, you say:

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I thought you knew me better that that. I could care less about how the rest of the world views the United States. All I am concerned about is ensuring that we stay on top of the economic food and power chain.

while in an earlier post you describe yourself as a hopelessly romantic, utopia desiring, world peace seeking individual.

As a result of that I’m a bit unsure if I understood you right. I would almost start to believe that you changed from a companiable, openminded, worldimprover into a companiable, openminded cynic . It just struck me, that’s all.

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Wub, I enjoyed your posts. Now I am going to try to locate the Netherlands on the world map, which is hard for we Americans to do, since I don't believe we have started any conflicts there...yet.

That’s exactly what I mean; I enjoyed your posts too as I just couldn’t help laughing .

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posted June 17, 2004 06:35 AM
Edited By: Consis on 17 Jun 2004

Hello Wub,

I've been following along and I am trying to understand the point you are making.

Are you saying:
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My conclusion therefore is that it is unjust to claim that the USA are a leading nation when it comes to foreign aid. I find this important to notice, because in my experience many Americans are proud of how compassionate and good doing their country is. And I don’t have problems when people like their country, but they should not be doing that based on false beliefs.


Am I correct with this quote? Are you saying that it is unjust to claim that the USA is the leading nation when it comes to foreign aid? Is that the premise for your argument? Are you asserting this as your only argument or is there more you would like to critique the u.s. for?

If you are saying that we should not boast to leading the world in foreign aid then I agree, but I get the feeling you are trying to say more than that. If so then could you please elaborate your other points for me please? I have been following along and I am having trouble finding another discertation.

I think it's part of my feeling that in order to become more accepting of foreign cultures that we should be less pig-headed. Gloating inspires respect from no one. Therefore I agree with this particular argument of yours. If there is more then I would please like to hear it.
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posted June 17, 2004 03:59 PM
Edited By: khayman on 17 Jun 2004

Wub wrote:
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Hello Khayman, Is it me or do I sense some cynicism in your post? . I’m not exaggerating if I say that I read almost all of your posts (especially on this forum), but now I’m a bit confused, actually.
Hey Wub!  You are absolutely correct, there is often too much cynicism (and sarcasm) in some of my posts, which probably makes it hard to see what I am actually trying to say.  That is my fault for never being serious in life, as it is sometimes difficult for me to express my thoughts and opinions without some attempt at humor.  I will try to explain (and try to be serious, for once)...
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In this thread for example, you say:

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I thought you knew me better that that. I could care less about how the rest of the world views the United States. All I am concerned about is ensuring that we stay on top of the economic food and power chain.

while in an earlier post you describe yourself as a hopelessly romantic, utopia desiring, world peace seeking individual.

As a result of that I’m a bit unsure if I understood you right. I would almost start to believe that you changed from a companiable, openminded, worldimprover into a companiable, openminded cynic . It just struck me, that’s all.
In my heart, I truly am a "hopelessly romantic, utopia desiring, world peace seeking individual."  I think that almost everyone is like that in some small way.  However, in my head, I understand that there will never be a utopian society, nor will there ever be world peace, until every person's physical, emotional, economic, and spritual 'needs' are met (Please see Maslow's Hierarchy of Needs).

I am by far not a 'man of the world', who has seen and done everything there is to see and do in  life.  Regardless, I have seen more than enough to cause my dismay and disbelief that there will ever be a utopian society or world peace.  Here are a few of my beliefs:

1.  People are basically self-serving, evil creatures. Given the chance, they will choose self-preservation 99.9% of the time vice choosing for the common good of society or others.  This rules out a utopian society and world peace, unless world peace is enforced via a dictatorial government.

2.  Money (and the pursuit of it) has become too much the cornerstone of society.Perhaps it has always been that way, the unquenchable thirst for riches and power; however, I think money now consumes people today in many different ways than it ever did before.  Our society breeds this lust for money, while today's governments and businesses thrive on people's lack of it.  Nowadays, instead of people judging others by their character and deeds, people judge others too much by their income and purchases.

3.  Self-reliance is a thing of the past.As a result of better access to education and advances in technology, people are 'smarter' (or better yet, 'less ignorant') than in days past, which is initially a very good thing.  The downside is that people are now 'more reliant' on technology making their lives easier, which in turn is making them lazy and unwilling to use that newly acquired education to think for themselves.  There is no longer that need to understand how things work, because if something breaks or not working properly, we just buy a new one or hire someone else to fix it, which in turn, increases that already-mentioned need for money.        

4.  Humility is an endangered virtue in today's world.Nowadays, you will have to seach far-and-wide to find someone who is truly humble.  Almost everyone wants fame, fortune, and acceptance for their actions, while they are unwilling to settle for the internal and intrinsical rewards of self-accomplishment.  It has gotten to the point where people are dismissing the notion of a supreme being because they believe they are too smart or 'above' believing in the existance of something greater than themselves.  The fact is that we will never know the answer until after we draw our last breath.  IMHO, to claim that "There is no God" OR "You are condemned because you refuse to believe in God" is the ultimate display of arrogance in our world.  You will never be able to prove it either way, but in your attempt to persuade others that you know the answer, you are making a bold statement about your character and lack of humility.

Those are a few of my beliefs.  They have been formulated from a mere 32 years on this earth, so of course, they are always subject to change as time passes.  If you continue to read below, you will find some things that I have witnessed or experienced in life that have shaped them.  I used to be the 'eternal optimist' and 'Mr. Happy-Go-Lucky', but I just have seen some things that really caused me to question the goodness of people, society, and life in general.

I used to believe that 'people are basically good'...until I learned that there are people in this world who can bring themselves to murder an old man and his wife for the $47 and change in their corner store's cash register.

I used to believe that 'love was blind'...until I saw a woman leave her husband (after 20 years of marriage) because he was disfigured and paralyzed in an accident while working to provide his family an income.

I used to believe that 'all men were created equal' with the same opportunities in life...until I witnessed a young, black student get humiliated and attacked for no other reason than the color of his skin by a group of fellow students.

I used to believe that my society was trying to make things better for minorities and the underprivileged...until I saw a minority student graduate from the prestigious United States Naval Academy with a degree in Electrical Engineering, then fail a basic military academics exam which required very little understanding and memorization.  (Note: I am not bitter at the fact that I would have never even been considered for acceptance to that school.  I struggled to get a business degree from a mediocre university, so I can only imagine how difficult it would be to pursue an engineering degree.  I am bitter at the fact that my society supports programs such as 'affirmative action', but does not see its downfalls and failures.)

I used to believe that the leaders of the free world were men and women of upstanding moral character and sound judgment...Until I found out that those people were no better than the average greedy, self-serving individuals that most of us are, willing to sacrifice their own morals (and in some cases, other peoples lives) for power, gluttony, sexual desires, and unjust causes.

So basically, Wub, after that boring soliloquy, this is what it comes down to:

I hope with all my heart that the world finds peace and harmony, but my mind tells me that this will never happen, so make the best of what you can out of life.

Now I must digress back to my 'confusingly' sarcastic self...

I am glad you are all so set on not having George Bush re-elected.  Just wait and see what happens if John Kerry becomes President of the United States.  Can you guess what will happen?  I bet you can't, because nobody knows a lick about this man except that they think he is the 'lesser of two evils'.  Remember when you dumped your  ex-girlfriend for her more attractive best friend?  After a few weeks you suddenly realized that perhaps your ex-girlfriend was not perfect; however, the CONVERSATION, EMOTION, and SEX was definitely much better than with your current girlfriend, who you won't be able to get rid of for a very long time...about four years.      


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posted June 17, 2004 05:20 PM

Bush is dumb; end of story
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Consis
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posted June 17, 2004 07:59 PM
Edited By: Consis on 17 Jun 2004

Khayman,

I once had the same problem. When a member is unable to edit their own posts then some of the reasons are:

The member is not logging in exactly as they registered under. For example Khayman, your user name starts with a capital "K". If you are logging in like this "khayman"(lower case k) then you will only be allowed to make a post and not edit it.

On top of this, if you posted with the incorrect punctuation of your name then it gets worse.

Let's say you now know to log in exactly as you are supposed to.(using the capital "K"), the edit button will now appear for you to edit your posts.

Well, let's say you try to edit a post made under an incorrrect punctuation of your name. It will not allow you to complete the edit unless you change the spelling of the name at the bottom to the exact same as the way when you posted it. Here's an example:

I log in as "consis"(HC will alow this). My username is really "Consis"(capital "C").

Ok now I make a post under "consis". After posting, I get sent back to the top of the thread right? Now I want to see my post. so I click to correct page number that my post is on. I scroll down, look over the post, and want to make an edit. I notice the edit button isn't even there. Why? Because HC allowed me to log in incorrectly as "consis".

So now I need to log out. Next, I log back in using the correct punctuation( "Consis" ).

I go back to the post I wanted edit and now the edit button is available for me. I click it. I go in and change what I wanted to. When I'm done I click the submit button. But it won't allow me. HC tells me I am not the correct user. Why? Because it was posted under the incorrect user name( "consis" ). What I need to do now is go to the top of my web browser interface. I press the "Back" button. It takes me backward to the page I was formerly on. Everything is still edited the way I wanted it.  At the bottom of this page you'll see a box with your username in it. Just below it you'll see a box with a bunch of asterisks where your password is located. You'll notice the "username" box contains your correct username. ( "Consis" ) I need to change the capital "C" to a lowercase "c". Now simply hit the submit button and it will be accepted. Your post will be edited.

I hope this helps
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Peacemaker = double entendre
posted June 17, 2004 08:32 PM
Edited By: Peacemaker on 17 Jun 2004

You GD Marines have us all looking through our fingers

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Hello Khayman,

Is it me or do I sense some cynicism in your post?
ROFLMAO

Some of us are having a bit of trouble keeping up with you guys (reference to The Gootch included here).

No Wub, it's not just you, man.

Hey Khayman!  Sup dude?

Loved the post on your beliefs.

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I hope with all my heart that the world finds peace and harmony, but my mind tells me that this will never happen, so make the best of what you can out of life.
Just remember those ripples in the water we talked about.  As individuals, we can make them go either way (good or bad) -- or at least try -- whilst scraping ourselves out of the self-serving pit we've dug ourselves into as a society.

Just don't lose all hope my friend, please?  You're too wonderful a human being to get lost to us all.

EDIT --

Oh, yeah Svarog.  I almost forgot.

After carefully assessing one another's personalities and strategic approaches, Khayman and I both ascertained that neither of us was an axe murderer, so we decided to step cautiously out from behind the armour and share driver's licenses.      
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Khayman
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posted June 17, 2004 08:34 PM

Thanks, Consis!

Dude, that was a very concise (no pun intended) explanation.  Thanks so much.  For the past three months I have been trying to figure out why I cannot edit my posts.  I hope I don't have as much trouble when I go to the election polls this fall!  

You da man!  Peace!

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Wub
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posted June 17, 2004 09:56 PM
Edited By: Wub on 17 Jun 2004

Hello Consis,

I have read a good deal of your posts and I can assure you that in my opinion you do not belong to the group of Americans to whom my post was directed (as you probably know).  

Still, you quoted the essence of my post very adequately. I used the example of foreign aid in an attempt to show that the patriotism of a fair amount of Americans is based on faulty assumptions. And I find this somewhat annoying. The problem, however, is that it is hard to say both the words ‘Americans’ and ‘annoying’ in one sentence without being accused of being a hater. Just look at the post after my initial writing, which features the word ‘idiot’ already.

So let me be very clear: I do not think that America is a more ‘evil’ country than any other, or that it deserves to be bashed more than any country. Neither is it my goal to stereotype Americans. Also, as I said, I do not think my own country is any better than America and I could easily name some facts to emphasize that.

However, the difference is: I realize that I should not gloat about my country. So if other people start ‘boasting’ about how much money (for example) is given to foreign aid while this is not true, I experience that as a ‘holier than thou’ attitude or hypocrisy, which I (like many people, I think) find very disturbing. Still, I did not mean to bash others with my post. It was meant to be constructive criticism and I hope it is taken as such. Finally, I hope that also the size of this issue is recognized.

By the way, thank you for the long and thorough explanation in your post, Khayman. I will respond when I have some more time and have looked up a few things.

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