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Wolfman
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posted February 26, 2004 03:29 AM |
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“BTW if all the food in the world was pooled and separated equally among all of Earth's people, everyone in the world could have around a 2000 calorie per day diet. That would keep obesity down and the starving would not starve.”
Ain’t this sad? And the current situation and division of wealth is OK with you? You see absolutely no problem with it?
Did I say I didn't have a problem with it? Or are you just reading into things that aren't there?
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“There are a few Americans on HC, and a lot of us think differently about Bush, Iraq and other issues.”
Yes, they do, but Wolfman is certainly not one of them.
I'm not an American, on HC, that thinks differently than others on political issues? I thought I was...maybe I need to go on one of those trips to "find myself". 
And could you use the quote feature using the bb codes? I think it would make it easier to read, but that's just me. Thanks
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posted February 26, 2004 03:45 AM |
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Dear Wolfie,
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Did I say I didn't have a problem with it? Or are you just reading into things that aren't there?
No, but you seem to be supporting the current US policy, which only makes this situation worse.
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And could you use the quote feature using the bb codes? I think it would make it easier to read, but that's just me. Thanks
I don't want to make PH style of letters (no offence, PH) with more gaps than text. PLus, it's faster for me and not annoying for others. But, for this one, I think I'll make an exeption. 
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Wolfman
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posted February 26, 2004 03:56 AM |
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Then I guess I'm not sure what that is. Could you please tell me what the current US policy on feeding the entire world is? I'm not familiar with it.
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posted February 26, 2004 06:23 AM |
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That's good...Does this mean that i may see you on my country Egypt one day offering me salvation from the dictator?
Sataricon, PrivateHudson is British. I'm not sure how you would feel about the British coming back to Egypt considering your history.
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Ok....You seem that you don't know anything about Iraq but this is normal as you don't need to for many reasons
How can you say this? How can I know nothing about the events taking place in Iraq? All of my t.v. channels, radio stations, and newspapers are talking about these events. All over the internet the Iraq war is being debated. I may not know many things in specific but the overall picture is more than revealed.
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Iraq was a very rich country....It was an oil country so you must know what i'll say....It's a common thing that people's conditions there before the war was very good....Thay had excellent medical care & for free....They had 2 rivers Digla & El-Forat which offerd them a very clean water.....In short Iraq was a very rich country which didn't need the USA's supreme destruction power.
I want to talk about what is happening now. I want to talk about how these people can rebuild through the roots of their great ancestry. I want to be amazed by the heart of the Iraqi culture. These people must have as much culture to give as I do. What can come from a people who find the courage to start over after many terrible things have happened to them? I say that the same spirit resides in the people who will build new buildings at ground zero in New York where the world trade centers once stood. This is what we must talk about. Let's focus on the many people who were once afraid but now have bravery to come forth and lead their people to recovery. There are many other places in the world where terrible things are happening. In China slavery is legal and in Africa genocide is taking place.
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There is a real problem with the USA today....That it think that they are the creator & destroyer....The judge & the executioner.
Don't be supprised if people in here hates the USA...We do have minds & we do think....We do feel.
It is good to see that you are all these things. It warms my heart to know that many people in many different countries remember the good heart they have within themselves.
Also, I have some side questions about your country. I found a survey that said 94% of the Jumhuriyat Misr al-Arabiyah is Sunni muslim. What role has Egypt taken in the Iraq war considering that a great number of people in Iraq are also Sunni? One would think that the two share philosophies of some kind and in turn might have similar goals in the governing of their countries. I do not know and that is why I am asking. I must wonder if there is some kind of deeper relationship bewteen two countries who share religious beliefs.
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posted February 26, 2004 01:16 PM |
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There were a ton of immigrants who fled to the US from the late 1800's to the beginning of WWII. The economy was spurred by the war, not because of immigrants flooding into the country, but the war itself. The US was in the worst economic condition that it had ever seen, the Great Depression. The economy was spurred because suddenly after Pearl Harbor there was a common thing to fight against. The people rallied to build the things needed to run the American war machine.
Wehl, not actualy. Of course America earned LOTS of money by WW2, because sold many weapons and so on. But during/after war, then Germany was on the knees, America grabbed lots of engineers and scientists, nobody cares what nationality they are, even german ones. If I am not wrong, but Apolo mission to the Moon was planed by german engineer, the same who probably developed V2's for Hitler. You are wrong here Wolfman, economic is based on ppl hands, not on war.
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You exagerate that statistic. It's only 25% of the world's resources that the US uses. I didn't say that was good, but it sure is better than what you accused. BTW if all the food in the world was pooled and separated equally among all of Earth's people, everyone in the world could have around a 2000 calorie per day diet. That would keep obesity down and the starving would not starve.
Yeah great! 2% of world's population uses 25% resources.. Only 25% ... its almost nothing.
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Yeah, I don't think that, Consis said he doesn't think that...so again, who's typical?
And you saying "that was proved", doesn't prove anything. If I say, I am Winston Churchill and add "that was proved" at the end of it, who would believe me? Probably no one, better be no one anyway.
If you live in america, go and see how work rusian, korean or etc, and watch how work american, you probably should see some differences..
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They have a better perspective of the world because thy're poorer than the US? How about the people of starving countries like Ethiopia? Do they have a better perspective than you because they have a worse life than you?
Nobody talks about richness, And those ppl who starving in Ethiopia, is your grand-grand-pas, you american niggas know that? And ppl from "poor regions" Korea, Rusia , Eastern Europe, India, they WANT earn much, they want to change their life and earn as much as lazy americans do.
They are better workers though, they have stimul.
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posted February 26, 2004 01:18 PM |
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Um... I can't tell which side you're on.
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posted February 26, 2004 01:48 PM |
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Wehl, not actualy. Of course America earned LOTS of money by WW2, because sold many weapons and so on. But during/after war, then Germany was on the knees, America grabbed lots of engineers and scientists, nobody cares what nationality they are, even german ones. If I am not wrong, but Apolo mission to the Moon was planed by german engineer, the same who probably developed V2's for Hitler. You are wrong here Wolfman, economic is based on ppl hands, not on war.
Yes, people working to build things to fight the war, just like I said. So if I'm wrong, so are you.
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Yeah great! 2% of world's population uses 25% resources.. Only 25% ... its almost nothing.
I bet the US is more than 2% of the population of the world. And if you look at what I said before spouting your mouth off, you'll see I said it wasn't good.
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If you live in america, go and see how work rusian, korean or etc, and watch how work american, you probably should see some differences..
But I thought you were talking about the typical American, not Russians or Koreans. So you have yet to answer the question, who is typical?
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Nobody talks about richness, And those ppl who starving in Ethiopia, is your grand-grand-pas, you american niggas know that? And ppl from "poor regions" Korea, Rusia , Eastern Europe, India, they WANT earn much, they want to change their life and earn as much as lazy americans do.
They are better workers though, they have stimul.
Not about richness? Wasn't it you who said, "These people works much for low resources." Seems like you brought that up, not me.
I earn about $800 in the summer for doing a lot of hard work, so lazy is not a term that describes me. More Americans work for a living than the stereotype you're using would let you believe. You need to break out of those stereotypes and look at the real people, then you can talk.
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posted February 26, 2004 11:23 PM |
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Wolfman and pig:
I think people tend to perceive Americans as lazy because our economy is so strong and our dollar value income-per-hour is so much higher by international standards than so many other countries. Fact is: we do not have to work as hard as others in many countries do to achieve the same dollar value and thus the same standard of living.
Problem is, the international economic playing field isn't level. This country has a larger resource base and has had more of a leg up on economic development than practically anybody else, through no fault of anybody but more because of historical factors and resource issues. For instance, countries with a single predominant resourse, or even a limited number of multiple resources, have historically been disadvantaged. Add to that various political influences (i.e. external controls; trade barriers and internal dictatorships) continuing to hold back development, and what you end up with is a group of people in any given country that have to work harder to achieve the same level of income than those in larger countres that got their economic foot in the door of the world economic system before others did. Thus the designations "First, Second and Third-World Nations."
<EDIT> This is one of the main reasons why consituencies from other countries who perceive the U.S. as taking action that hamper their own internal advancement and sel-f determination then do so resent the United States' arrogant attitude. (I know, many of you do not perviece your own country as arrogant, but clearly many others from other countries do. Perhaps it's a chicken-or-egg issue here.)
Also, somewhere the notion that the U.S. consumes only 29 or 25 % of the global resources got tossed in here. That is not conisistent with my understanding, but if you guys can point me in the direction of a reliable information source on that point I would like to take a look at it. My last understanding in the 80's was that is was around 49% and was continuing to increase.
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posted February 27, 2004 01:22 AM |
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I'd like to add, stand up did a poor job living up to his name. rotflmao
Also, Stand up, you have alot of points to win if you are seriously trying to proove something. I sugges not utilizing this offtopic post, to make a name foryourself. Cuz it wont fly
Standup was no alias?
Just a random video game site a guy picked to talk about USA
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privatehudson
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posted February 27, 2004 02:49 AM |
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Been a while since I posted so bear with me:
Redhawk:
It's certainly true that at this moment in time, Russia is too weak to challenge the US. Apart from anything her economy relies heavily on the west. China perhaps to some extent faces these problems also. However, having said that, one of the biggest problems in deciding who the US (or indeed anyone) could and could not defeat in a war is that you first need to determine the situation and style of war and the situation around it. Few would have thought it possible that the US would have to abbandon South Vietnam and in reality loose the vietnam war for example. Paper-wise it's inconcievable that the vast US arsenal would be forced out of a country by the VC and NVA. Indeed it's true that militarily, the US was doing well in Vietnam overall. Again though, more things can affect a war than mere troop numbers or technology.
To return for a moment to the modern day, China it's true is technologically out of date in military hardware, but the situation is important. Weight of numbers would tell more in an invasion of china's mainland for example. There the losses the US would be likely to take would prohibit the war as it did in Vietnam. If say the war was over a chinese invasion of Taiwan though, the US would probably easily drive that back.
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Sataricon, PrivateHudson is British. I'm not sure how you would feel about the British coming back to Egypt considering your history.
The last time the British made any major attempt to intefere in Egypt against Nasser the US slapped our wrists for not telling them before we did it. It was one of those rare occaisions in the cold war when Russia and the US both managed to agree on something! A little while later the US realised Nasser was actually quite a nasty guy and regretted opposing us. Such is life I guess. Not that the British motives were entirely moral, but who's government ever is?
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America grabbed lots of engineers and scientists, nobody cares what nationality they are, even german ones. If I am not wrong, but Apolo mission to the Moon was planed by german engineer, the same who probably developed V2's for Hitler.
Verhner Von Braun. Designer of the V1 and V2 rockets, governor of the Pnemunde slave labour camp, where 20,000 people died (worked to death or starved in the main) and later working in the US on the Apollo rockets. He even appeared in newsreel footage once with Walt Disney promoting the moon landing ideals.
The states also grabbed experts from the Gestapo and employed them for their expertise on Russia and spying. Then again, the UK employed many a german industrialist and a large chunk of the Foreign Legion after the war was ex-wermacht, so everyone's guilt I guess.
Oh and part of that money the US got from arms deals btw was on a loan basis when the UK ran out of cash. We then paid it back with interest. I heard we stopped finally in something like 1990 something. Interesting alliance sometimes
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posted February 27, 2004 08:33 AM |
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Verhner Von Braun. Designer of the V1 and V2 rockets, governor of the Pnemunde slave labour camp, where 20,000 people died (worked to death or starved in the main) and later working in the US on the Apollo rockets. He even appeared in newsreel footage once with Walt Disney promoting the moon landing ideals.
PrivateHudson is correct. This is absolutely sickening and gut wrenching. May the souls of the dead murdered by Fascist Germany forever haunt those who accepted the easy way out. I am told that these german scientists were of the highest possible expertise in their fields. It was understood that by capturing and assimilating them into our military, it put our space program at the top of the competition for the entire world. Germany was atleast ten years ahead of the entire world in space/aeronautics science technology. They were the first to create jet-engines, anti-aircraft radar webs, and the V-2 rockets that were the first intercontinental ballistic missiles.
As an american it forces me to ask the question, "Why". Perhaps it is as many have pointed out. The people of this country like to win, no matter the moral cost. As I ask myself the same question I think I would weigh the circumstances heavily. I don't know what I would have chosen as my answer because I was not there and times are different now but god help me had I chosen to accept those scientists into my military.
I am a firm believer in the methods as well as achievments. As they say in medical science, "Killing 5000 people to create a vaccine that would save millions is not the answer." I agree with this ardently. There were other scientists like Einstein that fled the war to other countries and warned of the existence of the research for the atomic theory that would enable the splitting of an atom to be used as a weapon. They were brilliant and many could have stayed but they didn't because some were jewish and some knew it was morally wrong. Yet another skeleton in the closet this country would like to forget, but I shall not. I shall keep it as a reminder to me so that I can remind my children and their children that ethics means more than we humans can sometimes comprehend.
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posted February 27, 2004 12:56 PM |
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More Americans work for a living than the stereotype you're using would let you believe. You need to break out of those stereotypes and look at the real people, then you can talk.
No point in discussing laziness here. Wolfman is right, Americans are hard-working as anyone else. But the problem is, just as Peacemaker pointed out, that the amount of money they get is desperately incomparable. An American not working anything (only on social wealthcare) has much better living conditions, than an Ethiopian busting his s out of work. This is the problem when I mentioned uneven distribution of world wealth or resources. It’s certainly, not the American people fault.
But it is the US government fault. Under the present international economical system and the political constellation, the rich get richer and the poor get poorer. The countries’ power is what enables them to maintain their privileged position, and in that way they exploit Third-World countries and slow down their development. It is not debatable whether rich countries (among them US) take advantage of poor countries and “hamper their internal advancement” (as Peacemaker said). It’s a well known fact. You may only choose whether to stay blind about this issue or not.
I can only with sadness recall, a world conference about poor-rich countries not too long ago. First, the developed countries persuaded the developing countries to ease down trade restrictions, thus enabling rich countries to have better access to their markets. But when the time came for them to lower subventions for agricultural producers and lower customs taxation for imported goods, they refused to do it. Agreement was not reached and the conference failed. The poor countries representatives abandoned the conference.
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All of my t.v. channels, radio stations, and newspapers are talking about these events.
Talking and writing about something is not the same as objectively reporting about that. Believe me, in many cases I’ve seen the American media’s not objective and propagandistic attitude. It’s almost unbelievable how great the power of medias on public opinion is. History has shown it also (Nazi Germany, USSR). Even though US medias enjoy freedom of expression, and cover more or less objectively the internal issues, the image you perceive about the world is far from reality.
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In China slavery is legal
I’d like to see what a Chinese would have to say about this.
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posted February 27, 2004 03:43 PM |
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Germany was atleast ten years ahead of the entire world in space/aeronautics science technology. They were the first to create jet-engines, anti-aircraft radar webs, and the V-2 rockets that were the first intercontinental ballistic missiles.
Partly true. The British invented the Jet engine (A gentleman called Whittle I believe), the Germans flew the first Jet plane and employed the first Jet fighter. German technology was ahead of the others in some degree, but what was invented was either too late or too volatile to be of use in the war, which I guess is handy. As for the V1 and V2 I think the term ICBM might be a little misleading, both had a rather limited effective range, and effect when they did strike home. They were also notoriously innaccurate and after a short while, easy to combat.
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posted February 28, 2004 04:32 AM |
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First off I would like to Apologise to all of you, with the exception of pig ( his use of the racial slur prohibits it ). I have thought alot about this thread during my work day, I have come to the conclusion that I have not helped in defending the U.S. Rather, I might just have hurt our position more by my overly aggresive,Reactionary posts. For that reason my deepest apology goes to Consis, And Wolfman, The both of you have done very well in your defence of our country, I salute you. And as Consis said "I speak for myself" and no other, We are all very different, having our own opinions and the unalienable right to express them, in anyway we see fit. If only our governments could get together as we have and talk, maybe they to can find some common ground and improve life for all peoples, everywere. I think most of us agree on one thing," our governments are the problem, not the people".. My last thought goes out to Private hudson, I thought that I was pretty smart until I started reading your posts. I am not worthy to post in the same thread as you. I for one feel just a little bit smarter for having read what you have written, My thanks to you. From hence forth, I will be taking A much more reserved approuch to my posts, so I don't let my Cavalier attitude overide my abillity to be reasonable and not disgrace the country that I love, or the soldiers who fight for it. Sincerly, SGT. Rock..........
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