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Hexa
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posted March 03, 2004 02:15 PM |
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The Hp of Skeletons is only 6, while their speed of 5 means any firing unit will have 3 shots before they reach over - plus faster range units can move around the battlefield avoiding the Skellies and firing when the distance between the 2 is greater then 5 hexes.
I was only using a theorectical unit v unit fight, in practice it would very rarely happen.
I myself would consider V.lords and D.knights the more dangerous units (and P.liches if your units are together)
Nope .. skeletons simply are THE driving force for the necro army. Just calculate the dmg they do and the dmg any other necro stack will do in your army!@
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Lord_Woock
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Undefeatable Hero
Daddy Cool with a $90 smile
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posted March 03, 2004 02:18 PM |
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Bear in mind that there is no shooter with infinite shots. How many grand elves are required to kill 12000hp?
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sleipner
Hired Hero
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posted March 03, 2004 04:08 PM |
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In the example i used i said 150 grand elves, roughly speaking damage 5*150 G.elves shooting twice = 1500hp per turn, Thus 8 turns (shots are irrelevant as they have 24shots)They have 3 turns before the Skellies reach over (that leaves only 1250 skellies), if no other units are present/or already dead then the G.elves will just move,shoot,move,shoot. Otherwise other units will provide different options.
P.S. I'm not trying to suggest that Skellies are not great in large numbers.
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Lord_Woock
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Undefeatable Hero
Daddy Cool with a $90 smile
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posted March 03, 2004 05:05 PM |
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Ok... Supposing there's only 1250 skellies once they came close to the elves. Now, to avoid being killed off instantly, where can the elves go? either straight up or straight down. Then the skells walk over, still not killing. the elves get another two shots in, because they have nowhere to run without being killed because although elves are faster, skells are closer to any destination the elves might possibly choose. End of Elves.
(the above may be flawed at a few points, I was improvising all the way)
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KingofMinota...
Known Hero
Ruling the minotaurs below
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posted March 03, 2004 06:40 PM |
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Skeletons are wonderful if you have teleport, but their weaknesses are their low Hp and their speed. Around 150 Grand elves could kill 2000 skeletons (fighting with no spells).
Thus do you find Necropolis less effective when playing Might masters (no spells)?
But i do not have ONLY skeletons in my army dude....their will be plent of vampirlords, which will block your grandelves anyway....until the skellies reach the other side of the battlefields...
It isn't that hard to rid these V. Lords from the field. It is annoying but not hard. If you use V. Lords i will simply have the tower castle. Plenty of nonliving units there to fight you off with. Gargoyles and Golems are nonliving, so I would attack you with that so you can't drain your life back. Also I am curious, can you drain life from (Master) Genies?
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angelito
Honorable
Undefeatable Hero
proud father of a princess
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posted March 03, 2004 10:06 PM |
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For the problem about the speed of skellies...have you ever heard about "tactic"-skill?...or a hero with specialty skeletons? (+ 1 speed!)...or fighting on necro ground? (+ 1 speed!)....
And for the solution about the vampirlords....i mentioned them only to kill the shooters...afterwards you can kill them with pleasure....coz the skellies will overrun you faster than you can breathe...hehehe
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Svarog
Honorable
Supreme Hero
statue-loving necrophiliac
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posted March 04, 2004 12:43 AM |
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This thread should be renamed Skellies.
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sleipner
Hired Hero
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posted March 04, 2004 03:20 PM |
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Lets get back to the topic of the thread,
What castle do people play (apart from necropolis and conflux)?
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angelito
Honorable
Undefeatable Hero
proud father of a princess
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posted March 04, 2004 03:27 PM |
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OK....i like them in that order:
Castle
Rampart
Fortress
Dungeon
Stronghold
Tower
Inferno
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doomnezeu
Supreme Hero
Miaumiaumiau
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posted March 04, 2004 03:54 PM |
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1. Stronghold
2. Fortress
3. Necropolis
4. Inferno
5. Tower
6. Castle
7. Dungeon
8. Rampart
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KingofMinota...
Known Hero
Ruling the minotaurs below
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posted March 04, 2004 06:19 PM |
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Dungeon
Stronghold
Rampart
Tower
Castle
Inferno
Fortress
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Svarog
Honorable
Supreme Hero
statue-loving necrophiliac
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posted March 04, 2004 08:20 PM |
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And don't know which is the best, because I rarely lose. Note that I dont play multiplayer. But i I'd arrange them in the following order:
Dungeon
Tower
Fortress
Rampart
Castle
Inferno
Stronghold
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Nebuka
Promising
Supreme Hero
Save me Jebus!
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posted March 04, 2004 08:26 PM |
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Castle and random, and hoping for inferno most of the times when I play random.
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Svarog
Honorable
Supreme Hero
statue-loving necrophiliac
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posted March 05, 2004 03:20 AM |
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Just of curiosity, why do you rate Stronghold so high? And isn't Inferno too expensive to support?
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angelito
Honorable
Undefeatable Hero
proud father of a princess
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posted March 05, 2004 03:49 AM |
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Just of curiosity, why do you rate Stronghold so high? And isn't Inferno too expensive to support?
On small or medium maps, stronghold is very good. There´s no other town in which you can build lev7 dwelling that early....
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Vit_C_2003
Tavern Dweller
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posted March 05, 2004 03:53 AM |
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These are my favourites in order:
1.Rampart
1,5. Necropolis (if my friends let me play this)
2.Stronhold(few sec resources to use)
3.Castle
4.Tower
5.Dungeon
6.Fortress
7.Inferno
Also I like Conflux very much, but can't play that(or Necro)
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Vit_C_2003
Tavern Dweller
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posted March 05, 2004 04:08 AM |
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I can't find a site that had statistics (except from the one already posted it) about castles and best creatures of any level (they had a ranking for anything). Maybe you know it, if so please post it.
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Basilisk
Tavern Dweller
from the Basilisk Pit
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posted March 05, 2004 09:44 AM |
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Well I as a newbie to heroes am trying to figure this out as I have asked in my thread in this forum entitled "Newbie Tips", but so far I have no preference i need people to tell me which one is best so feel free to tell me in my thread! The only ones I have really tested so far are Fortress and Castle.
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doomnezeu
Supreme Hero
Miaumiaumiau
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posted March 05, 2004 10:26 AM |
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I can't find a site that had statistics (except from the one already posted it) about castles and best creatures of any level (they had a ranking for anything). Maybe you know it, if so please post it.
I don't know if this was posted before or not, I took this from another forum at wysards.com, but here are all the stats for heroes 3 creatures:
A- Attack Skill
D- Defense Skill
S- Speed
G- Growth
C- Cost
H- Hitpoints
Dmg Damage
LEVEL1
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Non-upgraded: A\D H\S G\C Dmg
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1. Centaurs 5\3 8\6 28\70 2-3
2. Pikemen 4\5 10\4 28\60 1-3
3. Skeletons 5\4 6\4 30\60 1-3
4. Goblins 4\2 5\5 38\40 1-2
5. Troglodytes 4\3 5\4 35\50 1-3
6. Gnolls 3\5 6\4 30\50 2-3
7. Pixies 2\2 3\7 50\25 1-2
8. Imps 2\3 4\5 38\50 1-2
9. Gremlins 3\3 4\4 32\30 1-2
Upgraded versions: A\D H\S G\C Dmg
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1. Centaur Captains 6\3 10\8 28\90 2-3
2. Halberdiers 6\5 10\5 28\75 2-3
3. Sprites 2\2 3\9 50\30 1-3
4. Gnoll Marauders 4\6 6\5 30\70 2-3
5. Skeleton Warriors 6\6 6\5 30\70 1-3
6. Infernal Trogs 5\4 6\5 35\65 1-3
7. Hobgoblins 5\3 5\7 38\50 1-2
8. Master Gremlins 4\4 4\5 32\40 1-2 -------> Ranged (8 shots)
9. Familiars 4\4 4\7 38\60 1-2
LEVEL 2
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Non-upgraded: A\D H\S G\C Dmg
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1. Air Elementals 9\9 25\7 12\250 2-8
2. S. Gargoyles 6\6 16\6 22\130 2-3
3. Gogs 6\4 13\4 16\125 2-4 -------> ranged (12)
4. Harpies 6\5 14\6 16\130 1-4
5. Dwarves 6\7 20\3 20\120 2-4
6. Wolf Riders 7\5 10\6 18\100 2-4
7. Archers 6\3 10\4 18\100 2-3 -------> ranged (12)
8. Lizardmen 5\6 14\4 18\110 2-3 -------> ranged (12)
9. Walking Dead 5\5 15\3 16\100 2-3
Upgraded versions: A\D H\S G\C Dmg
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1. Storm El. 9\9 25\8 12\275 2-8 -------> ranged(24 shots)
2. Magogs 7\4 13\6 16\175 2-4 -------> ranged(24)
3. Harpy Hags 6\6 14\9 16\170 1-4
4. Battle Dwarves 7\7 20\5 20\150 2-4
5. Wolf Raiders 8\5 10\8 18\140 3-4
6. O. Gargoyles 7\7 16\9 22\160 2-3
7. Marksmen 6\3 10\6 18\150 2-3 -------> ranged (24)
8. Lizard Warriors 6\8 15\5 18\140 2-5 -------> ranged (24)
9. Zombies 5\5 20\5 16\125 2-3
LEVEL 3
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Non-upgraded: A\D H\S G\C Dmg
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1. Hell Hounds 10\6 25\7 13\200 2-7
2. Griffins 8\8 25\6 17\200 3-6
3. Beholders 9\7 22\5 14\250 3-5 -------> ranged (12)
4. Water El. 8\10 30\5 12\300 3-7
5. Serpent Flies 7\9 20\9 16\220 2-5
6. Wights 7\7 18\5 14\200 3-5
7. Stone Golems 7\10 30\3 14\150 4-5
8. Wood Elves 9\5 15\6 14\200 3-5 -------> ranged (24)
9. Orcs 8\4 15\4 14\150 2-5 -------> ranged (24)
Upgraded versions: A\D H\S G\C Dmg
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1. Royal Griffins 9\9 25\9 17\240 3-6
2. Iron Golems 9\10 35\5 14\200 4-5
3. Cerberi 10\8 25\8 13\250 2-7
4. Ice El. 8\10 30\6 12\375 3-7 -----> ranged (24)
5. Evil Eyes 10\8 22\7 14\275 3-5 -----> ranged (24)
6. Grand Elves 9\5 15\7 14\225 3-5 -----> ranged (24)
7. Wraiths 7\7 18\7 14\220 3-5
8. Dragon Flies 8\10 20\13 16\240 2-5
9. Orc Chieftains 8\4 20\5 14\165 2-5 -----> ranged (24)
LEVEL 4
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Non-upgraded: A\D H\S G\C Dmg
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1. Magi 11\8 25\5 8\350 7-9 -------> ranged (24)
2. Vampires 10\9 30\6 8\360 5-8
3. Basilisks 11\11 35\5 8\325 6-10
4. Pegasi 9\8 30\8 10\250 5-9
5. Medusas 9\9 25\5 8\300 6-8 -------> ranged (4)
6. Swordsmen 10\12 35\5 8\300 6-9
7. Demons 10\10 35\5 8\250 7-9
8. Ogres 13\7 40\4 8\300 6-12
9. Fire El. 10\8 35\6 10\350 4-6
Upgraded versions: A\D H\S G\C Dmg
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1. Vampire Lords 10\10 40\9 8\500 5-8
2. Greater Basilisks 12\12 40\7 8\400 6-10
3. Archmagi 12\9 30\7 8\450 7-9 -------> ranged (24)
4. Ogre Magi 13\7 60\5 8\400 6-12
5. Crusaders 12\12 35\6 8\400 7-10
6. Medusa Queens 10\10 30\6 8\330 6-8 -------> ranged (8)
7. Silver Pegasi 9\10 30\12 10\275 5-9
8. Horned Demons 10\10 40\6 8\270 7-9
9. Energy El. 12\8 35\8 10\400 4-6
LEVEL 5
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Non-upgraded: A\D H\S G\C Dmg
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1. Rocs 13\11 60\7 6\600 11-15
2. Gorgons 10\14 70\5 6\525 12-16
3. Genies 12\12 40\7 6\550 13-16
4. Liches 13\10 30\6 6\550 11-13 -----> ranged (12)
5. Minotaurs 14\12 50\6 6\500 12-20
6. Pit Fiends 13\13 45\6 6\500 13-17
7. Dendroid Guards 9\12 55\3 6\350 10-14
8. Monks 12\7 30\5 6\400 10-12 -----> ranged (12)
9. Earth El. 10\10 40\4 8\400 4-8
Upgraded versions: A\D H\S G\C Dmg
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1. Pit Lords 13\13 45\7 6\700 13-17
2. T-Birds 13\11 60\11 6\700 11-15
3. Power Liches 13\10 40\7 6\600 11-15 -----> ranged (24)
4. Minotaur Kings 15\15 50\8 6\575 12-20
5. Mighty Gorgons 11\16 70\6 6\600 12-16
6. Master Genies 12\12 40\11 6\600 13-16
7. Dendroid Soldiers 9\12 65\4 6\425 10-14
8. Zealots 12\10 30\7 6\450 10-12 -----> ranged (24)
9. Magma El. 11\11 40\6 8\500 6-10
LEVEL 6
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Non-upgraded: A\D H\S G\C Dmg
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1. Black Knights 16\16 120\7 4\1200 15-30
2. Nagas 16\13 110\5 4\1100 20
3. Cavaliers 15\15 100\7 4\1000 15-25
4. Unicorns 15\14 90\7 4\850 18-22
5. Efreets 16\12 90\9 4\900 16-24
6. Psyhic El. 15\13 75\7 4\750 10-20
7. Manticores 15\13 80\7 4\850 14-20
8. Wyverns 14\14 70\7 4\800 14-18
9. Cyclops 15\12 70\6 4\850 16-20 -----> ranged (12)
Upgraded versions: A\D H\S G\C Dmg
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1. Naga Queens 16\13 110\7 4\1600 30
2. Dread Knights 18\18 120\9 4\1500 15-30
3. Champions 16\16 100\9 4\1200 20-25
4. War Unicorns 15\14 110\9 4\950 18-22
5. Magic Elementals 15\13 80\9 4\800 15-25
6. Efreet Sultans 16\14 90\13 4\1100 16-24
7. Scorpicores 16\14 80\11 4\1050 14-20
8. Wyver Monarchs 14\14 70\11 4\1100 18-22
9. Cyclops Kings 17\13 70\8 4\1100 16-20 -----> ranged (24)
LEVEL 7
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Non-upgraded: A\D H\S G\C Dmg
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1. Devils 19\21 160\11 2\2700 30-40 +1 MErcury
2. Angels 20\20 200\12 2\3000 50 +1 Gem
3. Green Dragons 18\18 180\10 2\2400 40-50 +1 Crystal
4. Red Dragons 19\19 180\11 2\2500 40-50 +1 Sulfur
5. Firebirds 18\18 150\15 2\1500 30-40
6. Hydras 16\18 175\5 2\2200 25-45
7. Giants 19\16 150\7 2\2000 40-60 +1 Gem
8. Bone Dragons 17\15 150\9 2\1800 25-50
9. Behemoths 17\17 160\6 2\1500 30-50
Upgraded versions: A\D H\S G\C Dmg
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1. Archangel 30\30 250\18 2\5000 50 +3 Gems
2. Black Dragons 25\25 300\15 2\4000 40-50 +2 Sulfurs
3. Gold Dragons 27\27 250\16 2\4000 40-50 +2 Crystals
4. Titans 24\24 300\11 2\5000 40-60 +2 Gems - ranged(24)
5. Archdevils 26\28 200\17 2\4500 30-40 +2 MErcury
6. Phoenixes 21\18 200\21 2\2000 30-40 +1 Mercury
7. Ancient Behemoths 19\19 300\9 2\3000 30-50 +1 Crystal
8. Chaos Hydras 18\20 250\7 2\3500 25-45 +1 Sulfur
9. Ghost Dragons 19\17 200\14 2\3000 25-50 +1 Mercury
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krule
Hired Hero
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posted March 05, 2004 10:29 AM |
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Best town in SOD would be definitivly the one that can break DU faster than the others. So , first and the easyest way to break DU is with castle , stronghold and fortres (if no conflux and necro). Rampart is so , so , tower good but to slow to upgrade , dungeon so , so , inferno not so good.
Castle can break DU with 5 angels - if archang. than with no significant loses - you build them week 3 mostly on random imp. , so you attack DU week 1 month 2.
Stronghold is build mostly week2 on random imp. , but with lack of lv 6 troops you attack DU week 1 month 2 with 7 ancient.
Fortres have mighty cows. Enough said. Attack on DU when have 5 hydras - again mostly week 1 month 2.
Everything here can variate one week.
With other castles you can attack if you have 5 lv. 7 troops , but risk to lose to much, and thus the hole game.
Ofcourse , it all depends on development of your hero and spels he might find ( scrols ) , but in overall it is like I said.
Oh , and for necro , he can break DU with about 600 skelis and you know how easy is for him to build that army.
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