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yubq
yubq


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rosesmasher
posted August 19, 2006 01:21 PM
Edited by yubq at 14:42, 19 Aug 2006.

freedom is relative, i think,as goes for where it exists and there is economic infrastructure and superstructure, no state or society can make an exception.In China,you can go anywhere to look around or report excluding military zone.in addition,gentlewomen can not consume a gentlemen's toilet,neither can a hansome into lady's.oh,i find non-demo's that China provides no toilet for bi-sex or none-sex persons.
google and baidu,the latter being the largest searching engine of the Chinese language and beat google in China, is a hot topic.they both have numerous pro and con. google is no.1 in all the other countries except China.supporters of them argue against each other in the cyberworld and office.i donnot know if there is any gov. factor involved.but i tend to believe baidu's technology exceed google, at least in Chinese aspect.baidu is a nasdaq listed corp.internet originated from America,yet others can  lead,bad or good,such as hiv worm written by a taiwan hacker.o-haha,or Russian and German backdoors and killers.
funny news,walmart sets up labor union at its premier branch of shenzhen and other 18 outlets.it's said it gave up S Korea and Germany market this year. it ever closed many shops where employees wanted a labor union.in China,it once declined the visit of chairperson of  shenzhen trade union and gave 6 continual refusal to nanjing local union. it is ridiculous.
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posted August 19, 2006 06:35 PM

Google is just a web address. If you type in http://www.google.com/ for an address, either you go there or you don't. If you don't go there, then it is being blocked. I can type any address I want and that's the web site I go to. It's my own choice where I go, not the choice of someone else.
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Ecoris
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posted August 19, 2006 06:38 PM
Edited by Ecoris at 18:39, 19 Aug 2006.

Please don't drown this in a technical discussion about search engines yubq. google.cn has accepted several restrictions on certain keywords (e.g. Taiwan) such that certain results are not displayed.

And yes, free is a relative term, but if the press is free then China is a democracy...

I also feel that your view upon Taiwan as a rouge province is somewhat simple. After all they've had their own parlament and president for more than a decade. (Perhaps your history books are biased like the Japanese?)

Anyway I would like if you could tell us some more about the difference between "People's Republic of China" and "Republic of China"?

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posted August 19, 2006 06:58 PM

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and people from eastern Asia are more intelligent than all other people around the world (I've seen this with my own eyes).
I've always thought of that as a stereotype. I haven't traveled internationally, so anybody in RL I've met from other countries have been here in the States. From what I can see, that stereotype isn't true. It's been true at school, at work and casual contact.

It's true that people from certain countries tend to get recognition for various accomplishments at a higher rate than other countries. Like an expert in a given area, or the kid who wins the spelling bee at the school competition. Yes, it's possible some peoples are more intelligent than others. With isolated gene pools, that could happen. But DOES it happen? It would be extremely difficult to measure that.

When looking at foreign born people in the US or anywhere else, you have to look at other factors such as culture and financial status. Do parents from one culture push their children in school more than others? What priority do they place on education? Which people move to the states in the first place? Who can afford to move here? Which people can get here on a student visa? What kind of person would be recruited by a company to come work in the states? There are too many factors to make an easy determination about the intelligence of one group of people over another.

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posted August 19, 2006 07:46 PM
Edited by Iris at 19:50, 19 Aug 2006.

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Anyway I would like if you could tell us some more about the difference between "People's Republic of China" and "Republic of China"?

Basically People's Republic of China (PRC) is China, and Republic of China (ROC) is Taiwan.  It's rather hard to just state the differences.  China believes Taiwan to be part of the mainland, and Taiwan believes itself to be its own country.  There's a whole history behind this and is still on ongoing issue, so a lot of things will vary, depending if you ask a mainlander or an islander.    I won't bore you with a history lesson, but if you're interested, check them out on wikipedia.  They do a pretty good job with explaining these.


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and people from eastern Asia are more intelligent than all other people around the world (I've seen this with my own eyes).

I believe this to be completely untrue.    I don't want to get too technical with terms, but it does depend on what you mean by "intelligence."  I see raw intelligence as something you're born with (cannot be changed); knowledge as something you acquire through facts; and wit as something you pick up from interaction.

I see Asians has having the same intelligence as everyone else, being more knowledgable, but having little to no wit.    Reason/problem lies within the teaching system.  They drill you with words and number and teach you how to think.  Honestly now, how can you teach someone how to think?  You won't see the effects right away, but when they get to about HS and college, you'll notice how sad many Asian students are.

Just a few days ago, 2 students came to our house in China to interview my grandfather, who is a very famous economist.  One of them was from the US, going to school in London, and the other was a Chinese girl going to school in Qinghua University (the equivalent of Harvard in China).  I didn't have too much to do, so I stuck around to get a free lesson on micromanagement.  When my grandfather asked if those two knew <insert name here> or <insert organization here>, the Chinese girl knew everything.  She could spit out facts faster than I can eat (this is saying a lot ), but for the life of her, she could not ask questions.  In fact, I don't think she asked anything the entire time.  When my grandfather gave answers, she just wrote down exactly what he said, never questioning why or how.  On the other hand, the American girl didn't know much about other famous founders or whatever, but she was all over the place with intriguing questions and comparisons.

It's really hard to describe the setting.  There's no doubt that the Chinese girl knew more on the subject, but she gave me the impression that she's useless, while I was completely in awe at the other girl.  If those two were to be hired by a company, there's no doubt that the America girl would eventually make it to the top, while the Chinese girl will be stuck at a basic working level, handling all the "mindless" work.  This is part of the reason why Asians are so good at math and end up choosing majors like ME or EE.

Of course, that was just an example that came to mind.  There are exceptions, just not as many as there should be.  :/
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Ecoris
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posted August 19, 2006 07:53 PM
Edited by Ecoris at 19:58, 19 Aug 2006.

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There are too many factors to make an easy determination about the intelligence of one group of people over another.
I really don't think so. Not when you look at the 0,1% most intelligent people from different ethnical groups (or races).
I guess I have to be more specific when I make such a claim: Just take a look at the list of contestants at the IMO (international mathematical olympiad), lets take a look at Sweden's six contestants:
1. Joel Erik Larsson
2. Zihan Hans Liu
3. Simon Meuller
4. Gunnar Guannan Peng
5. Olof Heimer Troeng
6. Chen Xing
Anyone will know that 2, 4 and 6 are not swedish names, and they don't look like scandinavians at all if you look at their pictures. And even though I don't know, I guess that eastern asian people are a very small minority in Sweden. I admit that this example is the extreme case, but it is a general tendency that you see in many of the participating countries at IMO; they're over-represented.

BTW, explaining differences in ethnical groups genetically is very "politically incorrect", but you can't deny the facts.
Look at the 100-meter runners at the olympics final, they're all descendents from Western Africa. No white man will ever win.
When the distance increases to 800 meters or above nations like Kenya and Ethiopia (both eastern African nations) dominate. How shall we explain such behaviours? Something like "Kenya has always had the best training facilities for such athletes"? No, we know that that is not true; we accept the fact that they're genetically better suited for being good at such sports.
Once we have acccepted the fact that different ethnical groups have different physical abilities (at least when we look at the best sportsmen), why should we reject that they may have different mental abilities as well?

Edit: I do no claim that the mean (so to speak) of the intelligence of easteran Asian people is higher than other ethnical groups, but at least the very intelligent ones appear more frequently.

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Iris
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posted August 19, 2006 08:01 PM

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Edit: I do no claim that the mean (so to speak) of the intelligence of easteran Asian people is higher than other ethnical groups, but at least the very intelligent ones appear more frequently.

Are you also taking into account that there are more people in eastern Asia?  
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What if Elvin was female?
posted August 19, 2006 08:05 PM

I believe that the difference that Iris pointed out spawns from the difference there is in the teaching system(she said this herself) but the reason in teaching system's difference comes from chinese writing what must be learned "the old fashioned way" meaning that it must be remembered out(not sure about how this is said) so why not to use this method for everything else? While in in Finland for example you are not pushed to learn all out but to get you understand it in a "greater association" with other stuff.(Maybe thats why we allways get so good ratings on education testings.) I believe this method is more evolved method of learning and teaching.
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Iris
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posted August 19, 2006 08:08 PM

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I believe that the difference that Iris pointed out spawns from the difference there is in the teaching system(she said this herself) but the reason in teaching system's difference comes from chinese writing what must be learned "the old fashioned way" meaning that it must be remembered out(not sure about how this is said) so why not to use this method for everything else? While in in Finland for example you are not pushed to learn all out but to get you understand it in a "greater association" with other stuff.(Maybe thats why we allways get so good ratings on education testings.) I believe this method is more evolved method of learning and teaching.

Exactly what I'm saying.  
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Ecoris
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posted August 19, 2006 09:27 PM

Yes, yes, I totally agree, but I was not talking about school systems. So you may use the term "raw intelligence" if you prefer. I was just discussing genetically caused differences.

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Are you also taking into account that there are more people in eastern Asia?
Of course, I am aware of that, but as I said: "... it is a general tendency that you see in many of the participating countries at IMO; they're over-represented.". How will you explain that? (I knew this would start a discussion .)

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yubq
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rosesmasher
posted August 20, 2006 02:55 PM
Edited by yubq at 18:05, 20 Aug 2006.

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I can type any address I want and that's the web site I go to.
i doubt you can access laden¡¯s blog.it is said al-qaeda has its own official website.
in deed, google.cn can search taiwan(̨Íå)¡£copy ̨Íå into google.cn ,try it yourself. who told you it ? on the other side,google.com can not search ÄϾ©´óÍÀɱ(nanjing massacre)  and µöÓ㵺£¨diaoyu island£©,if no proxy introduced£¬but it can search them outside China. Who can do it that will infuriate all Chinese people? Apparently the gov. dares not. and it is impossible for baidu to block google¡¯s keywords. So google has irritated many Chinese who know this blocking.
  The republic of China was established by Sun Yat-Sen in 1912.after Sun¡¯s death, the ruling party Kuomintang(China nationalism party) became gangrenous and was overturned by China Communist Party ,as the close of civil war launched by Guomindang and the end the republic of China. At the time, the Kuomintang had a large number of well-armed (by US) force while the Communism Party¡¯s troop was far fewer and poorly-armed and half the time out of food and clothes. So it was in virtue of the people of mass's power that Communists overthrew the republic of China and kuomingtang. The people deserted the corrupted gov. and founded a new state, the People's Republic China,in 1949. Chiang Kaishek and his Nationalists fled to taiwan.  the Communist was going to unify Taiwan when Truman said, "I have ordered the Seventh Fleet to prevent any attack on Formosa.¡±,meddling in Chinese internal affairs and aggressing taiwan strait with US.13 air force base set up on the island. Thus stopped China from unifying Taiwan. in the following years hundreds of dialogs between China and U.S. were destroyed by U.S gov,till 1972.
  It is easy to build a govt. like what happened in west Asia, israel,iraq, central asia and haiti. but it is not a country until it is recognized by the world. neither UN nor other nations accepts taiwan as a state.if Alaskaers raised a Congress,will anyone recognize it?  
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Perhaps your history books are biased like the Japanese?)
An upright state will not do that in any case. veterans and grandparents still alive,who can bias the history? it is very stupid.and many Americans and other foreigners,who experienced China defense war against japancivil war and civil war,wrote memoirs on those wars. they know the truefact.Exchange activities between mainland and taiwan are increasing.
  I withdraw what i said to Consis on this topic.let¡¯s know more about China and see a real China.
 TOKYO, Japan (AP) -- A defiant Japanese Prime Minister Junichiro Koizumi has prayed at the Yasukuni war shrine to mark Tokyo's World War II surrender, triggering immediate protests by China and South Korea but cheering his conservative followers.
 press free? when a western on the spot said that he did not know Japanese pm's visit to war shrine because western media never report about it,is it free? japanese pm's pilgrimage at war shrine was from 80s, everytime it was surely top news in Asia.all east Asian know it. why western press blocked it for more than a score years(usage correct?)?
  the above coverage is on CNN page.why ccn neglects N korea that also slam japan pm for it? can we deduce that 5 years ago,when China was simply a newcomer of WTO, CNN wrote that TOKYO, Japan (AP) -- A ... triggering immediate protests by South Korea... . ignoring China and N Korea? and 10 years ago,cnn would just block news on this issue?
 why is western press keen on negative story of China, ignoring positive news and justice about her? why poeple always know something that is bad for China,not justice or right to China? why hollywood always discribes China,Russia and N korea as baddies? is Abu Ghraib or guantanamo democratic? y Putin rejected it flatly? or violating S korean and japan schoolgirls is democracy ? a cheating election? a disputing president? another lewinsky? arrears of UN membership dues year and year? USA is not the founding nation of UN human rights council? neither a member of it.y?
 Press free? let's see.The New York Times reported on March 13, 2005 that the United States is in "a new age of prepackaged TV news." The federal government has aggressively distributed prepackaged news reports to TV stations. At least 20 federal agencies, including the Defense Department and the Census Bureau, have made and distributed hundreds of television news segments in the past four years. The Los Angeles Times reported on Nov. 30, 2005 that the U.S. military troops havebeen writing articles burnishing the image of the U.S. mission in Iraq, sending them to a Washington-based firm, which translates them into Arabic and places them in Baghdad newspapers. It said the military also has purchased an Iraqi newspaper and taken control of a radio station "to channel pro-American messages to the Iraqi public." Other reports said that U.S. army officers created an outfit called the Baghdad Press Club that pays members as much as 200 U.S. dollars a month to churn out positive pieces about American military operations. The Washington Post in an editorial called these activities against freedom of the press as "planted propaganda."
 there is much more news about journalists tortured by USA and prisoned unhumanly.The U.S. government's ban on different voices through various means has been condemned by the international community. On Nov. 22, 2005, British newspaper the Daily Mirror, citing a "top secret" memo on April 16, 2004 from Downing Street, said the U.S. government wished to bomb the headquarters of Arabic TV station Al-Jazeera in Doha, Qatar, during the Iraqi War to block information about the real situation of the war and remove its negative influence on the U.S. side; the revelation resulted in protests by all the Al-Jazeera staff in more than 30 countries and criticism from the International Federation of Journalists. On Nov. 27, British Observer said Al-Jazeera offices in Baghdad and Kabul had all been bombed by the U.S. military and its journalists detained, threatened, abused and harassed by the U.S. military during the Iraqi war. In fact, U.S. crude intrusion into press freedom happened repeatedly. On April 8, 2003, cameraman Jose Couso of the Spanish Telecino television station was shot dead by U.S. soldiers. After Couso's death, the Spanish court issued warrants for the Spanish police and International Criminal Police Organization to arrest and extradite three suspected U.S. soldiers immediately. On Aug. 28, 2005, U.S. forces opened fire at a team of Reuters reporters; one Reuters soundman was shot several times in the face and chest, and he was killed on the spot. Two Iraqi reporters who rushed to the spot were also arrested and forced to exposure to the scorching sun. According to the Committee to Protect Journalists, the United States is holding four Iraqi journalists in detention centers in Iraq and one journalist of Al-Jazeera, at the United States Naval Base at Guantanamo bay, Cuba. None of the five have been charged with a specific crime. In July 2005, the New York Times reporter Judith Miller was sentenced to jail for refusing to disclose her source. Covering the aftermath of Hurricane Katrina, a photographer for Canadian Toronto Star daily was hurled to the ground by New Orleans police. The police grabbed his two cameras and removed memory cards. When he asked for his pictures back, the police insulted him and threatened to hit him. A reporter for a local newspaper of New Orleans was also attacked while covering a shoot-out between police and local residents. The police detained him and smashed all of his equipment on the ground.

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Ecoris
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posted August 20, 2006 09:45 PM
Edited by Ecoris at 21:46, 20 Aug 2006.

Thanks for your reply, yubq. It is good when members take their time to write something interesting. Allow me to commment:

Google
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in deed, google.cn can search taiwan
Yes, I never claimed it couldn't. I just said that the results displayed would be censored. (BTW if I try to open google.cn I'll be redirected to google.com).

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on the other side,google.com can not search ÄϾ©´óÍÀɱ(nanjing massacre) and µöÓ㵺£¨diaoyu island£©,if no proxy introduced£¬but it can search them outside China. Who can do it that will infuriate all Chinese people? Apparently the gov. dares not. and it is impossible for baidu to block google¡¯s keywords. So google has irritated many Chinese who know this blocking.
I find the meaning of this very unclear. What do you mean? I get 438.000 hits when I search for "Nanjing massacre".


Taiwan
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At the time, the Kuomintang had a large number of well-armed (by US) force while the Communism Party¡¯s troop was far fewer and poorly-armed and half the time out of food and clothes.
Here we go again...

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but it is not a country until it is recognized by the world. neither UN nor other nations accepts taiwan as a state.
But this is the tacit agreement: China will not use military means to gain control of Taiwan, on the other hand Taiwan will not declare themselves independent (and thus cannot be recognized as such). A unilateral action can't be tolerated. Taiwan has its independent government de facto.

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if Alaskaers raised a Congress,will anyone recognize it?
IIRC the American constitution allows a state to leave the union again. Thus they would actually be recognized because they have that right by law. (@ any American: Please correct me if I'm mistaken).

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many Americans and other foreigners,who experienced China defense war against japancivil war and civil war,wrote memoirs on those wars. they know the truefact.
But I'm asking you. What are your sources to Chinese history?


The point of the last section about press is unclear to me. You just mention a lot of examples in which US soldiers/police men prevent journalists from doing their jobs or even killing them. But you copy-pasted it all and did not mention where you've taken it from. While some or all of it may be true (which I find very likely) we cannot have any debate like this.

This thread is about China not the US. Creating endless lists about what the US have done is no excuse. I shall mention it once again: You do not have a free press. How do you feel about that, yubq? And do you think that it affects your view upon the world?

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yubq
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rosesmasher
posted August 21, 2006 05:33 PM
Edited by yubq at 17:52, 21 Aug 2006.

 it is also good that you have interest in China related topic.
I don not think this displayed result is censored. if someone want to find out the recipe of MDW, any govt will block it without hesitation. it is not wrong and have nothing to do  with press freedom.
   ÄϾ©´óÍÀɱ and µöÓ㵺,can or cant depends on whether internet fibre is within or out of Chinese territory,assuming no proxy server set. so, part of Chinese feel angry with google.
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Here we go again...
.We should say that the conclusion of republic of China was the consequence of guomintang's corruption,failing the mass and defeated by the Communists who was not so powerful as it at all. it was because the justice was on the Communists side.
  Taiwan is a part of China de jure and de facto.it not a state.
  of course I learn history knowledge mainly from textbooks ,grandparents and veterans' narrating many of whom are surrendered nationalists, and foreign biographies i have mentioned previously.
but cyber information is uneven,since internet is virtual after all.
  y this question? and how about u?
a pinch of China outlaws who escaped overseas are rumoring and attacking the gov. it is stale, just as terrorists' rumor against the world peace.Many nations have its criminals in other countries out of law's reach.
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You do not have a free press. How do you feel about that,

I disagree with you absolutely.We do have free press.I am just an average Chinese.but i know more clearly what happens around us than western journalists.
  I hope some foreign media quit prejudiced reporting on China.
  glad you can ask much more on any issue.
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posted August 21, 2006 05:59 PM

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I disagree with you absolutely.We do have free press.I am just an average Chinese.but i know more clearly what happens around us than western journalists.
  I hope some foreign media quit prejudiced reporting on China.
  glad you can ask much more on any issue.


I guess your idea of a "free press" is open for interpretation. From my point of view, China cannot declare itself as to having a free press while the press itself is state operated and undergoes heavy editing with regards to the interests of the Communist party.
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posted August 21, 2006 09:39 PM
Edited by friendofgunnar at 21:41, 21 Aug 2006.

YubQ, you need to find and read a book entitle the “The Private Life of Chairman Mao”.  If you can do both, then I will admit China is a free society.  If you can’t, then you must admit China is not a free society.
Since you probably can’t access Wikipedia I’ll copy paste an article talking about it.

Wikipedia:
The Private Life of Chairman Mao is a memoir published in 1996 by Dr. Li Zhisui, the personal physician of Mao Zedong, who emigrated to the United States in the years after Mao's death. The book was controversial and was banned in the People's Republic of China.
According to the book, Dr. Li witnessed Mao's private life on a day-to-day basis, mostly dealing with Mao at the height of his powers. Li alleged that Mao appeared anxious of the public but was indifferent to the problems of the Chinese people. It also shows Mao's signs of illness,paranoia,as well as neglecting dental hygiene (Mao's teeth has a green coated film; when Dr. Li touched Mao's Gums, Pus oozed out).
The book details Mao's alleged personal depravity and sexual politics. It's also an account of the political intrigue within Communist Party leadership, excessive use of propaganda (like putting rice fields near railroad tracks), as well as Mao's excitement after President Nixon's visit to China while his health starts to deteriorate.
Dr. Li also writes about his personal experiences, the effects of the Cultural Revolution on his family, and his life as a doctor for 22 years in Mao's life, although he lost all his diaries and other corresponding evidence of his claims, and relied on his memories.
Following the publication of Dr. Li's book, two members of Mao Zedong's staff who still reside in China (including one of Mao's personal secretaries and his nurse - Wu Xu Jun - who worked for Dr. Li) wrote a book in Chinese in an attempt to refute many of Dr. Li's claims.





Here is my own short review blurb that I wrote on it:

The Private Life of Chairman Mao, Dr. Li Zhisui **** (BEP)-  Chairman Mao's personal doctor recalls his psychologically agonizing 22 years spent in the communist inner circles.
    This is the story that everybody in China would probably like to read but can't: the story of the first twenty years of communist rule as told from inside the home of Mao himself.  This extremely heavy tome(638 pages) was so interesting it took only a day and a half to read.  What comes out in the book is the realization that Mao's cult of personality was only exceeded by his incompetence. When Dr. Zhisui describes the part about the campaign to build iron furnaces in everybodies' backyard, the reader is led to think that the entire communist party leadership consisted of nothing but geriatric cottenheads.  Chairman Mao's predacious and unsanitary behaviour are enough to make one gag.  China was truly unlucky to have such a nitwit in charge.
    Another interesting aspect of the story is the detailed intricacies of the rumor-mongering, backstabbing, factional politics that constantly dominated the energies of the top leadership.  It was fascinating to see how someone as non-politically involved as the doctor could still get sucked into the miserable maelstorm of party politics.


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posted August 22, 2006 02:25 PM
Edited by yubq at 14:59, 22 Aug 2006.

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Dr. Li witnessed Mao's private life on a day-to-day basis
, obviously it is fictional. it¡¯s absurd. no one could do that, say nothing of a personal doctor. moreover, the Chairman was robust and swam across the Changjiang River (Yangtsi, world 3rd largest river) for 42 times during 50s and 60s. if you know how quick and roaring the water was, you will know Chairman Mao¡¯s exuberance. who can swim across such a  river for at least 2 hours ? the great is also a heroic and romanticism poet writing many famous poems, including this brilliant Swimming. his physicians could not approach his scope. besides Le is just one of the Chairman¡¯s enormous nursing staff. his chance to reach the Leader was very few. le told nonsense.
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like putting rice fields near railroad tracks
? what is what?
i don¡¯t know what was le saying, maybe just like ¡î%$#2*¡è¡÷.
 
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as a doctor for 22 years in Mao's life
you judge it true or false. i guess it is needless to disprove him.
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although he lost all his diaries and other corresponding evidence of his claims, and relied on his memories.
.then we understand why li wrote that way.
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story that everybody in China would probably like to read but can't: t
not that at all. We¡¯d rather burn it . nobody want to read it. if possible. i¡¯ll give li a good baste myself, also give you one,really,i want to beatu. how can you spit out such intolerable insult, before getting the fact?how do you feel if i say that god is a beitch?
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in everybodies' backyard
it is overdescribed, gossiping and lying.  every sane human being can decide much of this book¡¯s falsehood, even if they know nothing of China.

from the quote,i can get that Wikipedia is the paradise for doodling,and that press freedom means another 911 alerts everywhere and everyday. everyone can say that a suicide bombing  will be carried out tomorrow in London metro.

why is  the western wild about negative information concerning China and exaggerating bad report of China intentionally? why do they always disregarding positive coverage and favorable tidings of China?

It is all about doctrine conflict. the western trust in the God. while socialism nations embrace antitheism.  Darwinism holds that the God  actually  does not exist. so believing in an entirely imaginary object is absurd and foolish. this is the essential reason for their warping China.
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my point of view, China cannot declare itself as to having a free press while the press itself is state operated and undergoes heavy editing

it can not be determined simply true or false, whether the media is run by gov or not. it is based on social institution¡¯s discrepancy. An example, you can not impose the God upon a materialist who deem god-devotion as unenlightened and benighted.China do have free press.
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then you must admit China is not a free society
if that is free, we prefer no need for  freedom like that. just as Putin said, "We certainly would not want to have the same kind of democracy that they have in Iraq, quite honestly.¡±  Neither do we.
if you think iraq¡¯s model to be democratic, we will consider western to be no democracy.
 i see at takungpao.com  that Marx Johnbenly( transliterated)says  ,researcher of Hanks research centre and senior member of national brainpower,that U.S. bans publication of Mao's theory and his life,except so-called revealings. takungpao,perhaps is No.1 newspaper in hongkong.
the previous post quotation is from Chinese govt."2005 US human rights report",which is the answer to US govt "2005 China human right report". If a government lies in the name of the nation,it is terrible.

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posted August 22, 2006 11:56 PM

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I rest my case.

Yubq, you are a communist thought slave, completely unable to form opinions on own.  You think you are smarter than theists because you reject superstition but the truth is that if you had been raised in an islamic society, you would have been a fundamentalist, memorizing vast tracts of the Koran and then going where-ever the mullahs sent you because you would be unable to question the information that they fed you.  If you had been born in a fundamentalist christian society you would be picketing abortion clinics and burning rock albums and trying to convince the local school boards to teach creationism.  Totalitarian and authoritarian societies love people like you because you can be programmed and then sent unquestioning to do their bidding.  I grew up around people like you, and I know you better than you know yourself.

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posted August 23, 2006 04:39 AM
Edited by Consis at 04:43, 23 Aug 2006.

Yes But . . .

FriendOfGunnar,

This is one of the great problems facing our world today. The best reference in my mind is that of Tienamen Square. I have a post about it in my Heroes & Heroines thread:

http://heroescommunity.com/viewthread.php3?TID=12558&pagenumber=2
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posted August 23, 2006 02:26 PM
Edited by yubq at 16:09, 23 Aug 2006.

you say that communism is wrong ? if so, it suggests that you cannot form an objective view based on yourself. what¡¯s your source and how do you shape your point.  where criterion ? u ever lived in communism? most countries will back Putin's comment on iraq democracy except "democratic nations".i support his stand on it
  nice to be called communist slave. thats my honor to be one. but frankly, its a pity when they said ¡°access denied ¡° to me a few years ago.
  i knew madonna, beatles, jordan u2 the eagles and mark twain etc. long before i started my english study. when m jackson became whitening under a large black umbrella we all felt a surge of grief. i know shirley manson and the garbage and other bands.  i also know prosperous porn industry in western and daily gunshoting, is that democratic western? .i dislike clips with swollen cryings and organs. i like real actions that makes us high.  i receive over 100 emails of home loan,viagra, enlarging, diploma,erection,medications,mortage,trading alert,¡±i want phuck you¡±, mba,and so forth.. do guns and porn and all these spams mean democratic westerns life? is that free western?
  i listen to radio free asia which said there was a black cow in China, when coincidently i was on the scene and saw it was white. and voa just copied it. then i know what free press means to the western.  mostly, people can discern right or wrong, without being told be China gov. or the Communist. just as distinguish li¡¯s book true or false. sometimes voa invents ¡°news¡± itself, a state operated media, really free? is its talk show free? has voice of opposite allowed ever?
 you should reflect whose slave you yourslef is, when you say same to others.maybe you can not say u r none slave of any theory or people or org.

¡°heavy edit¡± is much fitter for voa.

i also listen to family radio that always begins with ¡°hello u r confirmed¡± and concludes with ¡°thanks for calling, shall we take our next call¡±. i read many kinds of papers like iht, wsj asian edit, usatoday and more magazines they r available at some hotels. they r not for sale, but the waiter often presents me them.. readers digest, not registered in China, compelled Chinese ¶ÁÕßÎÄÕª(readers digest) which was registered legally to rename and submit subscribers¡¯ roll. even after new name ¶ÁÕß was registered, they forced its english name ¡°readers¡± to change to ¡°duzhe¡±. was it western free press? why they required subscribers¡¯ list? they were not registered in China. hegemonism ! was not it? a lady subscriber even wept on the phone that she would jump into river Huangpu if the periodical had to rename. the reason for ¶ÁÕßÎÄÕªand ¶ÁÕß¡¯s loss is simply lack of law knowledge not others.¶ÁÕßÎÄÕª. lost its names, but readers digest lost China. another case, oicq was a legally registerd im in China, and aol didnot enroll in its im China, aol even didn¡¯t register oicq in America. but aol  required oicq¡¯s domain ¡°reture¡± to it for free. really free? democratic? cnn, and others, similar cases can published as a book. they r not registered in China, having no interests in china market then.  just because innocence of law regulations. maybe they can rob the names in legal, but they  r disgusting in moral. readers digests will never be accepted by Chinese. they can not know how the magazine was beloved and how sorrowful the readers were when it was forced change name.
   
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many later found shot in the back.
by whom? if the so-called massacre were true, who can ¡±found¡± that? reporters must be restrained or killed. anyone  who saw it must be put to death.
the fact is that the riotous mutineers slew many soldiers who were demanded not to hurt any people. in the year i was in school. many persons around me who were back from beijing know it. i saw the tv reports every day about it.
 marks johnbenry says that those chinese who escaped to america through irregular channel, spread rumormongering and funded by taiwan and other gangs, have been deserted by the whitehouse because they are unreliable.i hope i can see the the english news of it.it is in chinese.
  do u read China publications in Chinese or English£¿ is Mao's theory really baned there? i watch c-span 1 and 2 and Columbia tv and many other tvs often,via internet.
 i say it again, you can never know a China of reality only by staying home reading and exploring. you shall come to China to get the truth,only you see the fact yourself, you will then know the dinkum oil
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posted August 23, 2006 04:48 PM

Actually,

I think he said he thinks you are over zealous. I think he thinks you follow your communism doctrines without questioning the validity of its main precepts. A good reference example of this would be like me following capitalism simply because everyone else in my country (U.S.A.) does it. It isn't right that I should simply follow what the majority of people believe and do. I question capitalism as much as I question communism. There are inherent flaws in both philosophies.

The whole point is: no matter what country you live in, I think it's a good idea to try to educate yourself enough that you question your own government. History teaches us that no system of government is perfect. Improvements must constantly be made. We should all try and seek to improve upon what we have.

I'm not convinced that either capitalism or communism is the best system of government. I am, however, a strong believer in creating a system of government that allows itself to grow with changing times. I believe that social and economic reforms are vital to maintain any country's global identity as strong and unique. If you want your people to be recognized by the world then I suggest looking for ways to compete socially and economically on a global scale.

terje_the_mad_wizard and I have discussed communism at length. I feel he has many good remarks regarding this philosophy.
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