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Thread: Strongest Town & Weakest Town in HOMM3 This thread is 34 pages long: 1 ... 4 5 6 7 8 ... 10 20 30 34 · «PREV / NEXT»
angelito
angelito


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posted September 07, 2007 05:29 PM

Problem with Tower is, if no gargs prebuilt, and u have to upgrade grems day1 (or day2 if mage guild day 1), then u have a bad build up.
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russ
russ


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posted September 07, 2007 05:48 PM

Ya, it was an extremely stupid idea for them to randomize this. It gives a whole lot of unbalance to the game while not really bringing any kind of exciting unpredictability (unless "****!!!, I don't have my level 2 prebuilt" counts ).

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champion
champion

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posted September 10, 2007 03:55 PM

Strongest is quite subjective but noone can deny that the high Phoenix population in Conflux and the number of skeletons in Necro raise them above the others. Castle is the most balanced and probably Tower has the strongest units. If I have to choose on I say Inferno is the worst.

Here is my rank (Best to worst) considering the strength, price and variety of the troops and buildings:

1. Conflux
2. Necropolis
3. Castle
4. Dungeon
5. Rampart
6. Tower
7. Fortress
8. Stronghold
9. Inferno

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mbalazs
mbalazs

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posted September 11, 2007 03:06 PM

against AI: tower
Good heroes: Cyra, Solmyr
good shooter: gremlin in early parts of the game
early acces to travilling spells because of the library
good monsters

against Human opponent: tower can be still good with Cyra but there are Ryland with Rampart, Adele wih Castle (angels!)

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icecream_mini
icecream_mini

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posted September 11, 2007 03:11 PM

I dont like to criticise but i can see here that you do not play homm3 enough, ryland doesnt get you anywhere, meph or ivor are great examples of rampart native heroes but still beastmaster, barbarian or knights are your best bets.

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angelito
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posted September 11, 2007 07:03 PM

Quote:
I dont like to criticise but i can see here that you do not play homm3 enough, ryland doesnt get you anywhere, meph or ivor are great examples of rampart native heroes but still beastmaster, barbarian or knights are your best bets.
He is prolly talking about single player games, where DIPLO is the way to go.. (Ryland, Cyra, Adela)
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russ
russ


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posted September 11, 2007 09:23 PM

It is way to go in any game as long as your opponent does not bi...complain about it

Mini - it is a bad assumption that everyone always plays with "no diplo" rule. No rules games are fun too - in those games you are almost forced to pick one of the 3 diplo heroes.

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liophy
liophy


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posted September 17, 2007 09:41 AM

Quote:
I dont like to criticise but i can see here that you do not play homm3 enough...

...knights are your best bets.


Its obvious who is not playing homm enough

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sheensher
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posted September 17, 2007 10:19 AM

Quote:
Strongest is quite subjective but noone can deny that the high Phoenix population in Conflux and the number of skeletons in Necro raise them above the others. Castle is the most balanced and probably Tower has the strongest units. If I have to choose on I say Inferno is the worst.

Here is my rank (Best to worst) considering the strength, price and variety of the troops and buildings:

1. Conflux
2. Necropolis
3. Castle
4. Dungeon
5. Rampart
6. Tower
7. Fortress
8. Stronghold
9. Inferno


U`re wrong, inferno isn`t the worst and Confl isn`t the best. this is my rank:

1. Dungeon
2. Tower
3. Castle
4. Conflux
5. Necropolis
6. Inferno
7. Rampart
8. Fortress
9. Stronghold
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angelito
angelito


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posted September 17, 2007 10:32 AM

Quote:
U`re wrong, inferno isn`t the worst and Confl isn`t the best. this is my rank:

1. Dungeon
2. Tower
3. Castle
4. Conflux
5. Necropolis
6. Inferno
7. Rampart
8. Fortress
9. Stronghold
Nobody is wrong if he states his own opinion.
But I would love to see how you fight with Dungeon vs Necropolis on L or even XL map.. or vs Stronghold / Fortress on faster maps...
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russ
russ


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posted September 18, 2007 05:39 PM

Quote:
or vs Stronghold / Fortress on faster maps...
You mean Stronghold/Fortress on ANY maps?

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alin1975
alin1975

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posted September 18, 2007 06:25 PM

I don't really understand why so many people post the Conflux as the best so often (or the most disbalancing).

2 phoenixes lose to 1 archangel every time, the storm elementals are wiped out with one lightening bolt, most of the units cannot be resurected, the earth elementals are pretty crappy...

Not that it does not have its pluses, in the form of speed and a nice balance of shooting to flying creatures, but I seriously dont think that is enough to make it the most powerful.

Another thing, to consider is that since the phoenix is half as tough as most of the good L7s, its actually a disadvantage to have them split into two units so to speak. An archangel isn't dead before he loses all his HP, meanwhile 1 of the phoenix's dies off.

Personally I think its a pretty balanced town, which i very much enjoy playing with my friends. Make it a serious competition, and I would take castle ahead of conflux most of the time.
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angelito
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posted September 18, 2007 08:46 PM

Quote:
2 phoenixes lose to 1 archangel every time...
Not sure which Homm3 version you use.....
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yasmiel
yasmiel


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posted September 18, 2007 09:08 PM

I'd rather have 2 Phoenixes than 1 Archangelito.

I find Necropolis and Conflux slightly out of balance, but i prefer to allow all towns. With intermediate players, it doesn't matter anyway

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alin1975
alin1975

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posted September 18, 2007 10:16 PM
Edited by alin1975 at 22:17, 18 Sep 2007.

This is based on a pretty much standard SoD H3. I did this experiment years ago. I made a tiny island and put a whole bunch of heroes containing only one 7th (except 2 phoenixes) and one 6th level creature each. I had it in hotseat mode so I controlled the heroes, and all heroes had 0 attack and 0 defence. The idea was to pit the 7th vs 7th and 6th vs 6th.

Basically for few days I ran all sorts of combinations out to see who would beat who. I ran phoenixes vs archangel numerous times, with the phoenixes attacking first. I dont believe that there was ever a case where the phoenixes won. Things looked hunkey dorey until one of the phoenixes died... then it was clear sailing for the castle.

Come to think of it I will just recreate the map now.


Ok ran the fight twice... archangel won both times (once he had 7hp the other 24) killing 2 phoenixes with the phoenixes having first strike. This is now on a WoG H3.

So you see, one Archangel is better, not even taking his ressurection into account, and not even considering that its a BIG disadvantage to have your HP split amongst two units. This is why I think its utterly ridiculous to bring down the spawn rate of the Conflux.

But you guys try see if you get other results... just remember both heroes should have 0 attack and defence and no luck or morale.

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SwampLord
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posted September 19, 2007 12:15 AM

But 1 phoenix should respawn, bringing the total to 3 phoenixes against 1 archangel. At that point, things start to get nasty.

And you said you waited with Phoenixes, correct?
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yasmiel
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posted September 19, 2007 12:24 AM
Edited by yasmiel at 00:27, 19 Sep 2007.

Try making it 20 phoenixes vs 10 archangels.. in that case first strike will have more meaning.

For the price of 2 archangels you can get 5 phoenixes which makes phoenix better cost wise.
Anyway, I'm one of those that don't want to nerf down the phoenix rate since levels 4-5 are weak for Conflux.

They both get killed against million of skeletons anyway So skeletons are the most powerful stack in H3.

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SwampLord
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posted September 19, 2007 12:52 AM

Better to boost levels 4-5 and nerf phoenixes.

But yeah, Necro still crushes regardless.
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alin1975
alin1975

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posted September 19, 2007 09:50 AM
Edited by alin1975 at 09:56, 19 Sep 2007.

Quote:
But 1 phoenix should respawn, bringing the total to 3 phoenixes against 1 archangel. At that point, things start to get nasty.

And you said you waited with Phoenixes, correct?


Now that you mention it they should, but they did not. Hmmm, aren't they always supposed to regenerate at least 1? Anyway, I would have disregarded that ability since you have to weigh that against the archangel's ressurection in terms of game balance.

The phoenixes got first strike if thats what you meant in your last question.


Quote:
Try making it 20 phoenixes vs 10 archangels.. in that case first strike will have more meaning.

For the price of 2 archangels you can get 5 phoenixes which makes phoenix better cost wise.
Anyway, I'm one of those that don't want to nerf down the phoenix rate since levels 4-5 are weak for Conflux.

They both get killed against million of skeletons anyway So skeletons are the most powerful stack in H3.


Very good point, yes this changes things in favour of the phoenix. The price issue actually also extends to building the Pyre, which is cheaper to upgrade too.

Against a human player one could also add level 2 in there. The computer has a tendency to forget to lightening bolt them for some reason.

I agree that Necro can be very powerful, but it has to be on the right kind of map. I hate playing them though I must admit. It feels so damn slow.
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Gallow
Gallow


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posted September 19, 2007 02:30 PM

Quote:

U`re wrong, inferno isn`t the worst and Confl isn`t the best. this is my rank:

1. Dungeon
2. Tower
3. Castle
4. Conflux
5. Necropolis
6. Inferno
7. Rampart
8. Fortress
9. Stronghold



Again another so awful ranking list,how can you put last fortress and stronghold,INFERNO is the worst da***t

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