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posted December 12, 2015 07:03 PM |
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kiryu133 said:
If males could become pregnant we'd have drive-through abortion clinics)
I spilled my coffee all over me thank you dude 
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posted December 12, 2015 07:09 PM |
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Is that a home made abortion of a guy asking a friend to roll over his stomach with his car real quick?
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fred79
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posted December 12, 2015 07:23 PM |
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kiryu133 said:
Look, if we're gonna talk about fetuses being babies, then we might as well bring in the damn sperm and menstruation. same thing, only male masturbation is totally fine while abortion is not. Menstruation is fine but generally "yucky" for some reason. I wonder why... (Ok, I don't. It's the long-standing patriarchy rearing its ugly head. If males could become pregnant we'd have drive-through abortion clinics).
how are male masturbation and female menstruation the same thing, again? maybe if a dude leaked blood, it might be somewhat similar, but i don't get how you compare the two as the same. unless you're referring to cleanliness?
menstruation is "yucky" only if a female doesn't keep her lady parts clean during her special lady time. meaning, if she doesn't wash herself every day during a period, then she will stink, for obvious reasons.
same thing with a guy. every time i jerk off, i feel dirty, and have to take a shower. after i orgasm i tend to smell(my armpits, mainly; but the build-up and release make me all sweaty and gross anyway). if i didn't take a shower every time i jerked off, i'd be a disgusting troll.
that's not "the patriarchy" rearing it's ugly head, in case you're wondering. that's just differing opinions. but you can put a name on it, and generalize anything to fit your beliefs, just so you can attack it; if you feel like it. that's what being equal is all about, right?
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posted December 12, 2015 07:37 PM |
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kiryu133 said:
MASTURBATING IS KILLING COUNTLESS BABIES BECAUSE OF SEXUAL PLEASURE! WHEN WILL THIS MADNESS STOP!?
Already tried it many years ago. People have arbitrary definition they'll stick by and either do not care about, or acknowledge, the lack of consistency.
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posted December 12, 2015 07:45 PM |
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new individual/being exists from the moment of conception...it is separate and unique......it's like hibernated/handicapped man being brought to life/conciousness in couple of weeks...sperm and ova cannot evolve alone...
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posted December 12, 2015 07:45 PM |
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fred79 said:
how are male masturbation and female menstruation the same thing, again? maybe if a dude leaked blood, it might be somewhat similar, but i don't get how you compare the two as the same. unless you're referring to cleanliness?
I'm referring to them as the same since it's both getting rid of the parts that make babies (sperm/eggs). If Fetuses are babies, so are Sperm and eggs for the same reason.
And there is vast differences in how they are met. porn-sites aren't allowed to have videos of women having sex while on their period, FFS!
There are many things relating to female (or non-standard for that matter but mostly about female bodies) sexuality in general that is either taboo or even outright banned.
recent law changes in the UK
What porn is ok as decided by payment processors
Links could be seen as NSFW.
Female ejaculation is apparently "too extreme" for the UK and having sex while on period is supposedly comparable to child porn. Both clearly not in support of an equal society and points towards the big problems in a male-dominated world.
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I spilled my coffee all over me thank you dude
That's from Magnus Betneér, a swedish comedian. Pretty great stuff if you have the time 
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posted December 12, 2015 07:55 PM |
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How can, not supporting abortion seen as almost racist? If I think 2 month in a womb is already human, aim entitled to my opinion, yes? If I know somebody who considers abortion, of course i suggest, please consider. If you would think abortion is a murder, would you not say it's wrong? If it's a rape issue of course the abortion is more understandable then, no need for quilty pressure.
Like it or not, we need to say what's right and what is wrong. Our 'job' is not moralizing but we can't turn blind eye either. Can't really help about it if you think us fools, it's not essential to look good, rather than doing the right thing.
I tough abortion was overly used even before i was christian. Now, as a christian i watch things in God's perspective. Many times God says in bible: In your mothers womb i saw you, before you where born i selected you. God talks about this little life in the womb as a person. I heard once from doctor that he was in India, he saw that woman gave a birth, and she did not want that child. So they carried that baby to nearest bushes, baby cryed there maybe hour and then there was silence. Now what you think of that? Negletting baby, born or unborn it is cruel.
Side note, regret pills and condoms are invented use them 
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Neraus
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posted December 12, 2015 07:59 PM |
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kiryu133 said:
SPERM ARE BABIES! MASTURBATING IS KILLING COUNTLESS BABIES BECAUSE OF SEXUAL PLEASURE! WHEN WILL THIS MADNESS STOP!?
Look, if we're gonna talk about fetuses being babies, then we might as well bring in the damn sperm and menstruation. same thing, only male masturbation is totally fine while abortion is not. Menstruation is fine but generally "yucky" for some reason. I wonder why... (Ok, I don't. It's the long-standing patriarchy rearing its ugly head. If males could become pregnant we'd have drive-through abortion clinics).
First off, sperm is ejected anyway even if somebody lives a chaste life, so that doesn't exactly work.
Secondly, you do realize that Christians also prohibit masturbating? Or at least we Catholics do. And comparing menstruation to masturbation is dangerous at best.
Menstruation is pretty dirty, it's like an open wound after all, and I don't think people are that comfortable to look at gaping wounds now are they? And, why would we have to look at other people's genitalia, or look at them while they bleed, isn't it invasive?
If anything you should have compared male nocturnal emissions with menstruation, still not exactly comparable, but closer nonetheless, and about that, it's involuntary, women don't choose to menstruate, they do, it's nature, just as men who don't activate their rod very often will wet their bed or simply discharge everything in the rest of their liquids.
There is no reason to blame those as there is no reason to blame spontaneous abortions, as there is nothing you can do to prevent it.
While abortions done at clinics, are perfectly avoidable compared to spontaneous ones, and as such we have anti-abortion movements.
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And there is vast differences in how they are met. porn-sites aren't allowed to have videos of women having sex while on their period, FFS!
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Female ejaculation is apparently "too extreme" for the UK and having sex while on period is supposedly comparable to child porn. Both clearly not in support of an equal society and points towards the big problems in a male-dominated world.
And the problem is? Porn? Wasn't porn degrading for women?
And by the way, the UK has a precedent for being far too Puritan.
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posted December 12, 2015 08:09 PM |
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regret pills and condoms are invented use them
DO NOT USE REGRET PILLS !!! IT'S ABORTION !!!
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posted December 12, 2015 08:11 PM |
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Neraus said:
And the problem is? Porn? Wasn't porn degrading for women?
Porn isn't inherently degrading though a lot of it is due to previously mentioned male-centric view in the world. Porn does for example promote a sex-positive outlook for both men and women which is good and is also an important part of discovering your own kinks and attractions.
Not allowing, say, female ejaculation, hinders female sexuality which is in turn why so much is degrading not to mention the stuff female actresses has to deal with outside of shoots.
phe said:
DO NOT USE REGRET PILLS !!! IT'S ABORTION !!!
Oh come on, the damn thing hasn't even formed by then!
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posted December 12, 2015 08:16 PM |
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I think that any discussion about the ethic side of abortion should first be filtered through present time constraints. We already overpopulated the planet, we are responsible of millions of species extinction, we can't even feed all humans, the pollution we inherently generate is amputating our health and the health of our kids, so why is everyone so erected about abortion? We can't look at it anymore from the religious prism, those times were totally different.
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posted December 12, 2015 08:18 PM |
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Oh come on, the damn thing hasn't even formed by then!
Better cyanide before...
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posted December 12, 2015 08:19 PM |
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kiryu133 said:
I'm referring to them as the same since it's both getting rid of the parts that make babies (sperm/eggs). If Fetuses are babies, so are Sperm and eggs for the same reason.
ah, i see what you are getting at now. thanks for clarifying.
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And there is vast differences in how they are met. porn-sites aren't allowed to have videos of women having sex while on their period, FFS!
There are many things relating to female (or non-standard for that matter but mostly about female bodies) sexuality in general that is either taboo or even outright banned.
Female ejaculation is apparently "too extreme" for the UK and having sex while on period is supposedly comparable to child porn. Both clearly not in support of an equal society and points towards the big problems in a male-dominated world.
you must be talking about mainstream porn, which will always have people trying to descend on it for it's vulgar animalistic qualities, and for the fact that it's everywhere.
EVERY kind of porn is available on the internet, though. EVERY kind. it doesn't really matter what some yahoo's think about mainstream porn, because if you can't get it mainstream, you can certainly find it elsewhere. the internet is a haven for every desire known to human beings since forever, and is constantly coming out with new fetishes that people are discovering they like. or maybe it's just porn trends, i don't know. 
but it's not like i devote large amounts of time to internet porn, or anything. i did a lot when i was younger, but i've certainly mellowed out since then.
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phe
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posted December 12, 2015 08:20 PM |
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I think that any discussion about the ethic side of abortion should first be filtered through present time constraints. We already overpopulated the planet, we are responsible of millions of species extinction, we can't even feed all humans, the pollution we inherently generate is amputating our health and the health of our kids, so why is everyone so erected about abortion?
but we have a lot of criminals to get rid off...
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posted December 12, 2015 08:20 PM |
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@kiryu
The funny thing about porn is this:
Pay a woman to have sex with you, and you can get arrested for prostitution in some states (like here in Italy), but film it and it becomes legal.
I don't really care about what happens in the sex industry, in my eyes, it's something that shouldn't even exist, and besides, there are movies of people doing far worse things than squirting, and females do it too.
And I'm willing to concede on this, if the sperm hasn't reached the egg yet, go on and use whatever you want, I'm already on the defensive when the zygote is formed, but you're in luck, if it doesn't implant there can be no pregnancy, and as such, stretching the term there is no abortion then.
You're still sinning, but I won't blame you for aborting.
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posted December 12, 2015 08:30 PM |
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Neraus said:
@kiryu
Pay a woman to have sex with you, and you can get arrested for prostitution in some states (like here in Italy), but film it and it becomes legal.
That is so snowing stupid, yeah.
I'm for legalized prostitution BTW. Would help protect some of the more exposed people in society along with normalizing sexuality etc. Like, I really don't understand the rejection of it. If you think it's morally wrong, don't do it. Doesn't mean people can't have control what they do with their own bodies 
I believe in Sweden it's forbidden to buy sex but not to sell (due to the "control of you body" thing) but don't quote me on that.
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posted December 12, 2015 08:33 PM |
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Edited by Herry at 20:38, 12 Dec 2015.
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SPERM ARE BABIES! MASTURBATING IS KILLING COUNTLESS BABIES BECAUSE OF SEXUAL PLEASURE! WHEN WILL THIS MADNESS STOP!?
Not. Please don't type with your elbow. First of all, a sperm is a genetic code(precisely half) of a baby. It's not a living being. What is non-living can not die.
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As science defines it, to be living, a thing must be capable of growth, reproduction and metabolism.
A sperm is not capable of, as far as I know, neither reproduction or metabolism. I have never seen a sperm mate with another sperm. Did you?
Also, to further disapprove your posts, sperm = baby is false. They are two different things. Also, by your own logic, masturbating would "kill" babies, regardless of if a person feels pleasure or not.
When? No idea.
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posted December 12, 2015 08:37 PM |
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kiryu133 said:
If males could become pregnant we'd have drive-through abortion clinics).
Quality point, please. George Carlin quality, thank you.
In my opinion, everyone is entitled to have an opinion.
But you know what? In this special case I tend to think, that males have a right to have an opinion, but this is one of the cases where not all opinions are RELEVANT.
In this case I tend to think that only female opinion is relevant, and I'm pretty sure that an overwhelming majority of all woman, if they hadn't anything to fear would say, that when push comes to shove and in the end it should be the decision of the woman in question.
God, by the way is a HE, I understood, which means his opinion doesn't count.
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Neraus
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posted December 12, 2015 08:45 PM |
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JollyJoker said:
God, by the way is a HE, I understood, which means his opinion doesn't count.
Lolwut? The creator doesn't have a say on the behaviour of His creatures?
That is some particular logic to be sure...
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Kayna
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posted December 12, 2015 08:51 PM |
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It's because it's a lot more taxing on the woman's body than on the man. A batch of sperm versus 9 months of gestation.
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