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TheBlackDragon
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posted July 20, 2001 04:16 PM |
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Greatest War Empires, Heroes, and Strategies
Hey guys i know this has nothing to do with HOmm. but i just love war history and everything so here we can talk about the greatest and best Empires in the history of war. Any topics in war history u want to talk about please dont delete this i just love war and war defenently has honor in it
One Empire I Respect: The Great Roman Empire with Julius Ceasar Legions deystroyed Ancient Times and love it
Attila The Hun: Hard core battler in wars attacked with Calvary and easy to retreat from battle if the odds werent good
I just love war but i dont have time to write anything so please post ideas and ill get on later and talk more about it please just tell your ideas on great wars of anytime thanks and your favorites
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Zud
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posted July 20, 2001 04:59 PM |
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Okay Subject, but sounds like it should be in Tavern
Tournament of Honor is an actual heroes tounament Black Dragon, This sounds like a thread for the tavern or another area.
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RagingTitan
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posted July 20, 2001 10:47 PM |
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Can somebody put this in Tavern
Well i would love to talk about this subject so can somebody put this in the Tavern forum please
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Ichon
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posted July 21, 2001 02:33 AM |
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good topic
I like this topic also, I'd have to say Mongols best Empire in terms of warrior ability, but Rome had most impact except that Mongols destroyed so much they made European ascent easier. So this doesn't offend someone-
One thing I have missed in every incarnation of Heroes series is a horsearcher type of unit. There are nomands, but weak and slow though I still like them. I want to see a unit that has fast speed and maybe a special that gives % chance to disengage or even better, they can moce full spaces no matter if they stop once, so let's say they are engaged in melee, they run away 1 hex turn and fire, then run rest of distance away. Could be feasible as long as they are level 4-5 unit I think. Maybye this is better in Altar of Wishes, but I've always missed this unit in older heroes games.
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GoldenDragon
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posted July 21, 2001 02:55 AM |
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I like the Vikings the way the Beserks battle i just love it i mean its great battle tactics u know
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Ichon
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posted July 21, 2001 02:58 AM |
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uhh....
Vikings are interesting and had some good battle tactics, but I don't know about Beserkers, I mean, their tactics pretty much consisted of the rather age old, scream and leap that cave men probably didn't even do for very long. Sorta funny if that is the height of tactical brilliance...
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TheBlackDragon
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posted July 21, 2001 03:01 AM |
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I agree well i love tatics with Calvary charging just like the Mongols(The Huns) I love them and think they play a great part in famous battles. Also ballistics really help to
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Sha_Men
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posted July 21, 2001 03:11 AM |
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How about this one?
Alexander the Great and his empire that faded away...
Some historians say it had more affect into history than Roman Empire had. Alexander was horsemen and also amazing military leader. It's very hard to compare different time and place so we could say what was best strategy and force of history.
Alexanders empire affected Greek, Egypt, Persia, part of India and Byzantium. Later on his conquered lands were the countries that changed the history later on...
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RagingTitan
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posted July 21, 2001 03:14 AM |
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I also like the Khan Empire with Kubli Khan and Marco Polo exploration and Ghengis Khan what could go wrong
I like war strategies and i like to surrond strategy for many battles nice idea Sha-Man i like Alexander The Great and his famous battles
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Oldtimer
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posted July 21, 2001 03:16 AM |
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Henry V singled handedly destroyed the age of knights in shing armour at the battle of angincort. No more were armies dependant on nobility and the high cost of maintaining a warhorse and armour.
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GoldenDragon
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posted July 21, 2001 03:18 AM |
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What about Joan Of Arch this is a legend for them the battle i love so much and i like Mongols to there so raw
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Sha_Men
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posted July 21, 2001 03:26 AM |
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Oldtimer...
You couldn't be more in truth...
And what is funny that battle of Angincourt was really small battle in overall. Only few men died compared to many other. Still it was kind of end of the time of the knights.
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posted July 21, 2001 03:33 AM |
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Knights could not compete with the longbow, the ironic thing is that 50 years later the english probably would have lost because of growing centralization and industrialization the practice of using the longbow was decreasing. It takes years to train good longbowmen whereas crossbows then guns(that took there place) took little pratice to become able at.
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Ichon
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posted July 21, 2001 06:27 AM |
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Hmm
Huns, Mongols, Turks, Parthians, Byzantines- all were calvary militaries. More mobile and in case of Mongols and Byzantines more disciplined than any other armies they fought.
Hard to tell exact historical weights of empires since without any of them it wouldn't be the same today, but Romans I think have to get credit for Western civilization, you can say they got many things from the Etruscans and Greeks before them learned many things from Alexander's empire, but Romans were interested in practical applications of technology and also administration which was Greeks weakness. They lasted 1000 years. Only empire to ever do so. You can argue about Constaninople being truly Roman or not, but their heritage and right to authority surely was even if customs and heirarchy was very different.
Tamil and his men gutted India and Central Asia kingdoms that were very powerful and likely would have begun expanding in a few years without his attacks. It's fairly well established he killed millions. So did Ghengis and Kublai. This at a time when world populations was in the 100 of millions or less. The impact of that loss is hard to judge, but one affect was making Europe which before was a technology and civilization backwater the last redoubt of culture for a short time, but an important time on the verge of industrialization.
Alexander was probably a military genius and his armies did conqueor huge area, but most of his conquests excepting Egypt and some areas past the Indus were what was left of Persia's empire. After beating the Persians they didn't have serious organized and experienced challengers. Ptolemies last until Cleopatra in first century Rome though so very lasting effect.
Mongols... now their armies were seldom more than 30,000 warriors defeating very experienced armies of over 100,000 well documented and doing so time and time again. Not only against the Europeans who were totally unprepared for Mongols total war concept and not playing fair, but also Chinese and Indian and central asian militaries who had been fighting against inner mongolian calvary for centuries. The organization and discipline of Mongols was unsurpassed. Chinese civilizations was likely set back 500 years or more by depradations and horse tribesmen attacks and built that wall just in response to a few tribes invading. Once those tribes were organized nothing could stop them except nature and fighting amongst themselves. They would have beat Japan easily if not losing two entire fleets to storms. They lost some battles in southeast asia, but quickly adapted to jungle warfare and at the same time about 60,000 Mongol warriors defeated combined armies of, Greece, Macedonia, Rumania, Bulgaria, and Poland- Mongol warriors were pushing through Thailand and into eastern India- going towards the Sinia in Syria, and heading north towards Norselands from Russian steppes. Less than 200,000 Mongols warrios almost defeated the entire world, and I don't see them being stopped if they didn't fight amongst themselves after the Khan died in the middle of campaign.
Mongol culture was terrible own it's own merits and only was stable after the Khan decided to use Chinese beuracrats to run everything except the army so it's lucky they didn't conqueor the world probably, but their army was likely unbeatable until middle 1700's or even 1800's I would say. They have done tests with composite bows in Mongol style and they could fire more rapidly, with greater accuracy, and further with more reliability than firearms managed until just prior to Napolieanic wars. Piercing full plate mail from 100 yards. They defeated 180,000 europeans(probably only 40,000 heavy horse)with less than 50,000 warriors and although there weren't many records kept(no writing system until borrowed chinese)the army that did that crossed half the world in 3 months and fought vs armies of 60,000 in mongolia to find teh next Khan- probably lost less than 1,000 against the Europeans.
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Ichon
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posted July 21, 2001 06:33 AM |
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Great leaders
Alexander, Caeser, Hannibal, Scipio, Belsarius, Saladin, Ghengis, Napolean, Guderian, Rommel, some more anyone?
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raZor_X
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posted July 21, 2001 07:01 AM |
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I dunno if you guys have ever heard of Albanians stoping the Turk invasion in Europe. The great leader of Albanians at that time at 1400s was Skender-beg (taken as a child from his family by turks and raisen as a sulltan son, but when he grew up, he returned to his homeland fighting against turks, who was very familiar with their battle tactics) and his sword and helmet is kept as a souvenir in Wien museum.
Other great leaders are Alexander the great (he has albanian origin), and Constantin (Roman Emperor with Albanian origin who formed Istanbul)...
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Frank
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posted July 21, 2001 11:13 AM |
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a few more to Ichon`s impressive list:
Wellington, Fredrick the Great, Marlborough, von Manstein, Charles XII, Michael Collins, Prince Eugene, Guderian, Nelson, Patton, Subotai, Temujin, Washington (George), Minamoto Yosnowsune, Zhukov, Jan Zizkac,...
Cool site about medieval wars:
http://swishweb.com/History/Major_Wars_of_Medieval_and_Modern_Times/
Have fun
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posted July 21, 2001 12:10 PM |
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hmmm
I like the european-chinese wars!!!
There was not so big but realy interesting!!!
Two other civilizations in a combat, realy cool!!!
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Ichon
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posted July 21, 2001 12:47 PM |
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Leaders
Temujin/Ghengis same person, I forgot Subatoi and Nelson! Prince Eugene maybe, Wellington I don't think is on same level, Sure he did good in India and Spain- but look how close the final battle was. Napolean, outnumbered, his troops inferior mostly, his empire ashes, fresh from exile still almost winning. Von Manstein certainly, I forgot him. I always question Washington in my mind, I just can't decide. He did well, hard to say how much was him and the inept generals he faced, and also very good timing. As for battlefield leadership... can't say. MinamotoYo***sune yes, maybe Sun Tzu? Probably not one person, and it might be no generals among the authors, but still if actually practised the art described- interesting. Fredrick- I suppose, he did start a new era even if it was still the same tactics. Zhukov yes! Germans win if Russians didn't have him very possibly.
Jan Zizjak? Sounds familiar but I don't know who? Pole or Fin?
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posted July 21, 2001 01:17 PM |
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COOL
FROM WHERE DO YOU KNOW THIS ALL??? 
HEY ALSO COOL WAS NTHE PIRATE WARS!!!
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