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Consis
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posted July 05, 2004 01:55 AM |
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Heros(heroes) & Heroines(heroe-ine?)
I started this thread to learn of and discuss what everyone's thoughts are concerning real life heros. If you will please notice I used the HOMM habit of the spelling of the word. I did it to honor our wonderful chat forum(Heroes Community) through which we have all been lucky enough to meet through. I put it in parenthesis because when applied to the feminine form of the word, it doesn't match with the correct grammar. Everyone may use any spelling or description they wish to.
I wish to hear if there are any members who think of any people in real life as their true hero or heroine. I was wondering what they thought a hero or heroine should be. This is ofcourse a very subjective matter with the acts of heroism resting on the observer(s). Perhaps it was simply the way the person chose to live their life. Everyone and no one can fit this description to some degree. I was wondering what person or persons is a hero or heroine to you. Please post what the name(s) is and why you think they are a hero or heroine. The more detailed the description, the more we shall understand why it is that you might think of someone so highly.
 I have one hero whom I think of often. A long time ago, there was a massacre at a highschool in Colorado(u.s.) in a city called Columbine. Some of you may have heard of it. One day a pair of mentally disturbed highschool kids decided they were going to blow up the school, make news headlines, become famous, and have movies made about them. On that day their plans went awry and they decided to simply go on a shooting spree through their highschool before finally killing themselves. They walked through the school and killed many people. One of the people killed was a teacher. His name was Dave Sanders. While the killers were walking through the school shooting and killng people, the teacher was hurriedly ushering as many kids as he possibly could into his classroom to keep them out of harm's way. Across the hall, in an empty classroom, was a student who was too scared to run across and into his classroom where it was safe. Apparently he and the other students were waving and motioning for the student to get across while the shooters weren't looking. The student was too scared. So Dave ran across the hall, grabbed the student, and made for his classroom with the young teenager held tightly in his grasp. The shooters saw him and shot him but he made it across and the students slammed and barracaded the door behind them. Once safely inside together, they all leaned up against their barracaded and locked classroom door to apply extra pressure to it. While they all sat up against the door they turned and noticed Dave was bleeding from his chest. One of the students had a cellphone and called emergency medical services for help. Apparently they had already arrived and were waiting outside the school behind the police for permission to enter the building. The police couldn't let the paramedics through because they didn't know if it was safe, so they waited a couple of hours before being allowed to enter. The teacher, Dave Sanders was his name, died after an hour of bleeding with no medical attention. After being let out of the building, the students recall staying at his side and thanking him for saving them before he finally died. They said they were all grouped around him hugging him and crying wishing that the medics would come and help him.
While searching for more information about my favorite hero, I found this excellent link:
http://www.boulderdailycamera.com/shooting/sanders.html
Dave Sanders is one of my most thought of heros today. Before him, I had not thought of anyone as so brave and courageous. He was 47 when he died.
I look forward to reading all of your posts. Thankyou.
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viking
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posted July 05, 2004 02:49 AM |
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Good post Consis,
I personally think that any person could be a hero or a heroine if he/she had personalities like courage - all heroes/ines need that, pity - a hero/ine without pity is called a slaughterer, and a word of truth - a hero/ine that lies cannot do any good.
I can't think of any hero/ine now.
P.S. You are really good in story telling.
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viking
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posted July 05, 2004 03:29 PM |
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Found one
Ok My heroine is Joan of Arc. Now I know that its connected to the history and maybe is not what you wanted to hear but that is the only one I can think of.
So here goes:
Joan of Arc was just a small village child when she first heard God talking to her. God said to her that she is the chosen one, that she has the power to stand up for France. Of course at the time she could not have done anything because she was too young. Later, in the late 1428 (or early 1429, dont remmember exactly), she was given an escort to bring her before the future King Charles VII. He was convinced by her, and sent her for some tests. Then she was questioned for few weeks and then was given the approval by Charles VII to have command of an army. She had freed many cities from English. She was captured by the English on May, 1430. She spent weeks in prison in Rouen a French village then under British control. Then came her trial. She was burned on a stick, accused of being a witch.
She had courage to kneel in front of the heir of the throne, to reclaim many cities from the English army, and to be tied to a stick with fire burning underneath here (the last example of courage might not be courage because she was forced to do that, however she didn't scream or cry). Pity - she wasn't anything important like a queen or a princess, those who are powerful rarely have pity. She had the word of truth and she has never betrayed her vows to force the English out.
Later she was found not guilty by the French and was found out that the trial was a fraud because all English people present there were against her even her defendant.
Well I hope you liked the story. It's not much and it's not present days if thats what you wanted, but I think that she truly is a heroine.
Thank you.
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privatehudson
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posted July 05, 2004 04:25 PM |
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She was also probably killed with the help of the French King who felt she was too popular...
[funny linked story]
De Gaulle once disturbed Churchill with a phone call in the middle of an important dinner. Initially Churchill told someone to tell him to ring back, but De Gaulle refused to be put off. Churchill excused himself to take the call. Returning 5 minutes later he confided in those present that De Gaulle had told him that the French consider him to be the new Joan of Arc. Someone asked Churchill what he replied. Churchill said that he had reminded De Gaulle that the English had felt it necessary to burn the last one at the stake 
[/funny linked story]
I offer two, Churchill and Robert E Lee. Churchill for his bravery and charisma, his intelligence and determination. He recognised the danger of Hitler and was prepared to stand up for him no matter what, even against his own party in the pre-war years. Churchill never wavered, he never changed, he stuck to his goal against all sane advice and though he made considerable mistakes, I truly believe that had he not taken on the role of PM in 1940, the British would have ended the war in that year, and the world would be a much darker place. Churchill had guts and instinct, he opposed Stalin from the start and never trusted him, unlike Roosevelt and Trueman. He was not perfect, but he changed, maybe even you could claim saved the world.
Lee I offer as an unusual choice perhaps, but as a general, he is one of the few I respect as a man of morality. Lee never desired to split the Union, never supported slavery, never liked conflict and was a truly great man. He was a fine strategist, perhaps the finest the states ever produced. He joined the Confederate States in their secession purely out of love for his home state of Virginia, his conscience. Lee was a gentleman though, he would respect his enemy even as he was running them into the ground. He treated enemy soldiers with respect and kindness, his own men with love and care and was one of the most loved Generals we know of. Lee, with occaisonal exceptions was modest of his talents and quick to praise others when worthy. At his hour of greatest defeat at Gettysburg he found time to comfort an enemy soldier and give words to his men that the defeat was his fault. Lee was no Napoleon, he cared for his men, he did not lie to them, he did not grab glory not intended for him. He played out his role against his wishes but to the best of his ability and in the end died soon after the war. He was sorely missed, one of the few Generals to have a good morality.
I'll probably add others from my life at another time 
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viking
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posted July 08, 2004 01:52 AM |
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She was also probably killed with the help of the French King who felt she was too popular...
Exactly. Just as I explained. Kings, queens, rich people and others with high rankings in the community are not considered to be heroes/ines, like the French king.
Good thinking. Heroes/ines are usually the ones who fight the stronger or more powerful. Its usually - good is weak, bad is strong. Consis' hero - he was unarmed, and the crazy guys were armed. Dave was the hero.
Is there no other people with their real life heroes/ines?
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Asmodean
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posted July 08, 2004 02:05 AM |
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My heroes are my Mum and Dad.
Growing up we hadn't much money.
Only later did I find out the sacrifices my parents made to make sure we had the trendy clothes our friends had. That we got the toys we wnated at christmas etc.
Now that my sisters and I are all grown up, my mum and dad can spend their money on themselves, and it's like they're kids - they can go on holiday together, my dad can go to the pub to watch football etc.
People like Churchill etc, while being great men...just don't cut it with me as far as heroes go.
A hero to me, is one that sacrifices for another person.
So my heroes are my parents.
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privatehudson
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posted July 08, 2004 11:09 PM |
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People like Churchill etc, while being great men...just don't cut it with me as far as heroes go.
A hero to me, is one that sacrifices for another person.
That's a pretty broad defenition that could cover just about anybody, including I'm sure churchill.
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Consis
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posted July 23, 2004 07:29 AM |
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Edited By: Consis on 23 Jul 2004
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9/11 Commission Final Report
It is from this report that I am re-affirmed another Hero of mine. His name is Todd Beamer. He was a father of three children. His two sons were ages 4 and 2, and his wife was several months pregnant with their third child when he died on September 11th, 2001 on United Airlines Flight 91.
Todd was a regular 'average Joe'. He played sports in highschool, went to college, and loved Michael Jordan as his favorite basketball player. He especially liked going to basketball games when Jordan played.
It wasn't Todd's academic achievments, physical stamina, or leadership skills he possessed as a top business manager for a company called Oracle that made him special. It was the fact that he was an average guy, not unlike many, who worshipped Michael Jordan, played with his kids, and loved his wife.
Whenever he played with his kids or was getting them ready to go somewhere he'd say, "Ok guys it's time to go, let's roll!" 'Let's roll' was what his sons would say when their mother would also get them ready to leave the house. "Ok mommy let's roll, let's roll!" As excited young boys tend to be when adventuring out of the homestead.
On board flight 91 the passengers had come together and planned to overtake the hijackers by force once they learned of their true intentions by using their cellphones to call loved ones. After they had agreed to try and stop the hijackers, the signal to rush the cockpit was heard as someone shouted, "Let's roll!". No one knows for sure if it was Todd nor can it ever be proven but if you ask your heart as I have asked mine, then you'll know Todd had something to do with it. Because once the passengers came together and rushed the hijackers to break through the cockpit door to gain control of the plane, they gave it everything they had.
After the recent release of the 9/11 commission's final report, the details are still a bit sketchy but we now know that the hijackers themselves crashed the plane into the ground in Pennsylvania. According to the new released evidence of this report, the evidence would seem to suggest that the hijackers were going to try and continue through to their target(u.s. capitol or white house) until the passengers finally broke through the cockpit doors at which point probably three of the hijackers held the passengers back just long enough for the hijacker flying the plane to dive the plane into the ground. Apparently, when the hijackers knew the passengers couldn't be stopped, they decided it was time to "finish it off" as one hijacker is heard saying.
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Svarog
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posted July 23, 2004 07:29 AM |
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Selfish maternal screwer
I don't have any real-life heroes.
For me, the word "Hero" bears a great meaning, and it's not only a person you like and acknowledge.
My biggest hero is myself. Whenever I contemplate about something, I never relate to anyone else other than myself, in terms of putting yourself in your hero's position or vice versa, adopting his ways of thinking and actions etc.
Why would a guy that I only know about from textbooks, or in even worse case - TV or magazines, be my hero, my idol? So, then, that leaves me only with the option of taking one of my RL friends as my heroes, which is amazingly ridicilous, since I know all their flaws. (How can a guy who picks in his nose be your hero?!?!?)
And in the end, unfortunately, as much as I hate to admit my superiority, the only viable person qualified enough to be called "Svarog's hero" is me.
PS: but if you really insist, I'd take Fidel. 
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Pirahna
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posted July 25, 2004 01:41 AM |
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I am my own hero ...
other heroes i know .... my friends that save me from different situations ... and that's all
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The Pirahna - wow guys ... my posts keep decreasing ... lol ... i can't post
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Consis
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posted October 09, 2004 08:26 PM |
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Edited By: Consis on 11 Oct 2004
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A Super Man?
Here's a helpful website:
http://www.apacure.com/
What is it about the human spirit that connects us all as living breathing persons with unique dreams and aspirations?
I suppose I don't know the answer to such a question. Because I know this, I believe there are some people in this world who display characteristics of what I find to be most beautiful and inspirational in man/woman kind.
We all know life is full of obstacles, setbacks, and proverbial speedbumps. Sometimes the very world itself may seem to be against us with what some people call the 'wrath of God' in the form of earthquakes, hurricanes, volcanos, etc.. Sometimes the greatest adversaries seem to be fellow human beings bent on destruction or some other form of their own selfish goals.
Whatever the case, where ever the destruction, mayhem, or any other form of challenge, we sometimes catch a glimpse of a rare and wonderful thing that can be found inside all of us. I believe it to be located in the deepest and most fragile parts of the human heart. This thing can sometimes offer reason when there was none; shed light when the world appears darkest; bring laughter to a once grieving child, woman, or man; show compassion in the face of revenge; spark invention inspired by love and hope; and sometimes, maybe sometimes, save your life and the lives of countless others.
Where exactly does it come from? How exactly does it work? Do some people have it and others not? Was it a gift from God?
The truth is nobody knows. No one knows anything about it except when they see it.
I have another hero I'd like to add to the list which has inspired me in a most remarkable way. His name is Christopher Reeve. Whenever I see him in an interview or somewhere else speaking in the way that he does, it always reminds me that no matter what happens to you in life, there will always be hope. This is a man whom I believe shows the world that even with the most debilitating and life-threatening obstacles, there will always be a chance to make a difference. That's really all I ask for.
If I have done nothing else, achieved nothing, saved no one else's life, or helped end the suffering in many parts of the world, I will always know that I tried my best to make a difference. No matter how small the footprint I leave behind, the significance will always be great in my heart because I know that I gave it my best shot.
It's ironic that this man was once a "superman" in the movies. In real life there is no such thing. There is no person with such magical powers. But the idea of a man who puts his life second for the benefit of others, protects the physically weak, upholds the law of the land, cares for children, contributes time and effort to the healing of the sick, and truly loves life is very real indeed. These are the kinds of qualities that can be found in us all, but only if we make the conscious decision to take on the responsibility of not being alone in the world. Christopher Reeve may not have really been a fictional "superman" hero but he most certainly is a real live man with super qualities that do show heroic characteristics.
Perhaps whatever sort of person we are, may be, or were doesn't have to be so selfish. A person can change at any time and whenever they want, but only if they decide to do it on their own. It's never too late to make a difference in the world, never too late.
The Great Hall of Heroes Welcomes Yet Another Brave Soul
http://www.cnn.com/2004/SHOWBIZ/Movies/10/11/obit.reeve.ap/index.html
Edit: Christopher Reeve has died now. I had written my feelings of his heroic qualities only a few days ago, when he was still alive and pressing forward with courage and strength. I would like to wish him well where ever he may be. I know that he had a difficult time toward the latter days of his life. I also would like to wish his family and friends, who knew him best, all the best wishes.
This was a man who may not have been born any different than anyone else but before he died, he helped change the lives of thousands of people whom could not speak for themselves. His actions were a great example for us all and he will be missed in the hearts of many. For even if the world has never really seen a fictional magical-like man with super powers, regardless, we will not forget the steely man of superb courage and undying unshakable will to leave the world a better place from whence he found it. Fare thee well man of steel, of super human strength, of piercing heated eyes, and of one who always told the truth even when death itself stared straight back. Fare thee well my Superman, we will miss you. You will never be forgotten.
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TitaniumAlloy
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posted October 14, 2004 10:32 AM |
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wow Consis, it seems almost every thread you start gets a QP! You have as many QP stars as post stars!
This is a good thread.
happy hunting,
-The Metal Man
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apricane
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posted October 15, 2004 07:32 PM |
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In my opinion, Heroes are humans who are able to accomplish great things. This doesnt mean that only great leaders, generals and so on, are heroes, but anyone who accomplish something great could be.
Some deeds just seem heroic to me. To sacrifice for another person, is heroic. To sacrifice for a whole people, for a goal, for a belief, that is heroic. To aid those in need, that is heroic. To protect those that can not protect themselves, to heal the sick, and to maintain peace, is heroic deeds to me.
As someone posted, parents can be heroes. My parents arent though. In truth, I have sacrificed more for my parents than they have for me.
My boyfriend is a hero to me. He is a very important person to me. He is always around when I need him, he is always ready to aid me when i need him, and he is always able to turn a dark situation into a bright one. So personally, he is my hero. His mother is also a heroine to me, since she took me in when my mother kicked me out and i had nowhere to go. I owe a lot to my heroes.
I can only hope that I, in the hearts of my loved ones, am a hero to them
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Svarog
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posted October 18, 2004 02:19 AM |
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All the best words for the dead, as always. However, I never really liked Christopher Reeve. To me, he was the most hypocritic rich a$$hole ever. I really have no idea what could be so heroic about a guy who started spending his wealth on charity only after he got himself paralized. Where was he before he broke his neck? It was really expected from him to start giving money for medical research, since he wanted to help his condition, but what extremely irritates me is when someone tries to present him as some benevolent hero who cares about scientific research and paralized people.
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bort
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posted October 19, 2004 03:27 PM |
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Your assumptions about his motives aside, let me ask you this -- who did more for the world? Mr. Reeves with his allegedly hypocritical activism or you with all of your purely motivated whining?
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Svarog
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posted October 20, 2004 01:21 AM |
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Edited By: Svarog on 19 Oct 2004
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Gee, that's a tough one. Who did more for the world?
Ummmm... bort maybe?!
Such comments are sure helpful for the world.
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Consis
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posted October 21, 2004 08:13 PM |
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A Tiny Thing To Think Of
I was thinking, in my opinion, that a lot of people do talk of Christopher Reeve as if he were a saint. I think this is not a good perspective of this person.
Personally, I really only think of this person as someone who made the smallest change that came from deep within his heart. I think of it as a small significant change. I think that a person doesn't need to be a president, or diplomat, or media rock star to be significant. I think that if a person can change the world for better then that makes them very special in my eyes. That change, no matter how small, can be early or later in their lives. It doesn't matter to me. What matters is that they realized that it is never too late to make a difference in the world. It's never too late to help someone you don't know. I think the kind of change required, for such a small but very significant thing, lies deep within all people. Man or woman, I believe a person can change even the smallest things in life to make the world a better place for everyone.
That's all I'm saying about Christopher Reeve. I am simply saying that he only did what he could to help people. I don't fault him for his past. I believe that sort of guilt is hard enough on the individual, why should other people contribute to it? Ignoring the achievment for the mistakes made, can sometimes achieve the mistakes that were ignored....
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Svarog
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posted October 22, 2004 01:07 AM |
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I agree Consis. In a way. I certainly dont dismiss the things this man has done, but what I think is, he's far from being a model for hero.
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terje_the_ma...
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posted November 03, 2004 02:14 PM |
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a mother got buried in the debris with her 6 month old child. she cut her veins and fed the child with her blood for two days until the rescue team saved them. unfortuanately they couldn't save the mother, but the child survived
This mother is my hero.
The story is from Armenia, and was told by ratmonkey in Guardians Grove. It happened after one of the frequent Caucasian earthquakes.
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"Sometimes I think everyone's just pretending to be brave, and none of us really are. Maybe pretending to be brave is how you get brave, I don't know."
- Grenn, A Storm of Swords.
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ratmonky
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posted November 03, 2004 06:11 PM |
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wow, thanx terje for posting it here, because i would have never thought of doing that.
and yes, it was a real heroic act, and her son should really be thankful to her for saving his life paying such a dear price
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