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Thread: Few questions about unit stats
MagniBronzeb...
MagniBronzebeard


Adventuring Hero
posted July 09, 2004 12:51 AM

Few questions about unit stats

I would know following statistics which aren't in manual:

- Stone Gaze (chance, quantity of s. g. creatures)

- Chance of Minotaurs to block an attack

- Spells cast by evil eyes

- When shooters can shoot and when can't

- Chance of Squire of stunning

- Sparks
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drlucifer
drlucifer


Adventuring Hero
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posted July 10, 2004 07:32 PM


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I would know following statistics which aren't in manual:  


I am not exactly the best authority on this, but let me try.

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- Stone Gaze (chance, quantity of s. g. creatures)



My best guess is somewhere between 10 and 15 percent.  There have been times when I've had a hundred medusas and the stone gaze has gotten anywhere from 7 to 20 of them.
When they shoot at a hero, though, it's different- probably drops to about a 1 percent chance of stone gaze.
Obviously the quantity of stone-gazed creatures cannot be higher than the number of medusas...
The math could also be based on the MG Deathstare from H3.  They had some weird way of calculating it that I don't remember.

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- Chance of Minotaurs to block an attack



33%.

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- Spells cast by evil eyes



Any spell that could have negative effects.  Cowardice, Weakness, and Curse seem to me to be the most common.  Incidentally, it is possible for them to cast Cancellation on a creature and remove all negative spells...

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- When shooters can shoot and when can't



Shooters can shoot as long as they have shots left and are not adjacent to an enemy (in theory; there have been times when it really looked to me like my shooter was next to a creature that he could still shoot).

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- Chance of Squire of stunning



This I think partly depends on the number of Squires and I have also heard it depends on the "health" of the creature they attack, which I assume means hit points.  It's not very high, probably about 10 percent tops.

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- Sparks



Sparks is a spell that shoots out- you guessed it- sparks in the area right in front of the caster.  It deals almost no damage (the damage dpends on level of hero just like all other spells) but attacks all creatures there.

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Dalai
Dalai


Hired Hero
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posted July 10, 2004 07:40 PM

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Stone Gaze (chance, quantity of s. g. creatures)

Sorry, don't know

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Chance of Minotaurs to block an attack

25% (in Equilibris - 33%)

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Spells cast by evil eyes

That's easy. Take one strong archer without MR and stand still against one evil eye for 10 turns.

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When shooters can shoot and when can't

Enemy is blocking your shooter when he's standing close to him and has not turned his back to your shooter.

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Chance of Squire of stunning

% of enemy killed by squire's hit minus 5%.

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Sparks

Check the spellbook.
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MagniBronzebeard


Adventuring Hero
posted July 10, 2004 08:35 PM

I'm asking about evil eyes, because once they cast Hand of Death (I think) or Banish. In fact, after the animation of spell (it was a hand), it killed all of 8 my illusioned medusas.
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Lith-Maethor
Lith-Maethor


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posted July 10, 2004 09:05 PM

not sure....

but dispell/cancelation has that effect on illusions
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Lich_King
Lich_King


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Supreme Hero
posted July 10, 2004 09:47 PM

Yes, that is correct, dispelled/cancellated illusions vanish at the same time...
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recca_cool
recca_cool


Hired Hero
posted July 12, 2004 01:58 PM

Just adding a comment here, I can not see why these are useful except for a newbie..
Because, for a regular player (not intesive or hard-core Heroes fan like me) you get the feeling of how often that happens and you base youe strategy on it.

I do not like the statstics approach of gaming (although it is based on it , yup I know that!) But you do not go fighting with a calculator and processing everything by numbers

Just get the feeling of how often things happen, and base things on it, you could tell that meduses does not make the stone gaze that often, But evil eye has stronger impact , especially on low-level

The only time I bother calculating is when I am in a very tight situation & kill-or-be-killed occasion, so for the *Killer move* I just make sure that damage is more than total HP of the enemy and calculate the risk of failure(Unless I casted bless obviously, then no need for that)

Hope this is useful ^^

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barbarian
barbarian


Famous Hero
posted July 12, 2004 11:10 PM

good point recca who plays with a calculator anyways .
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recca_cool
recca_cool


Hired Hero
posted July 13, 2004 01:55 PM

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good point recca who plays with a calculator anyways .

I never EVER used a calculator I played heroes since its first release and through all expansions, you think I would do that, eh

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behemoth-stomach

Tavern Dweller
posted August 01, 2004 04:17 PM

evil eyes cant cast hand of death, only cancelation. But only on illusioned units. Cancelation and hand of death looks very similiar. I nearly had a heart attack first time I saw evil eye use that spell and thought it was HoD.
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balcough_dragons


Supreme Hero
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posted August 01, 2004 05:32 PM

ok lets clear this up
evil eyez spells are = cowardice , curse , weakness , fatigue , cancellation , disrupting ray , misfortune , sorrow.

and cancellation only takes away good spells from target
negative spells stay

dispel takes all spells from target negative and good
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recca_cool
recca_cool


Hired Hero
posted August 01, 2004 08:31 PM

So you forgot to add, use exoricse from life school of magic to cure the character

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Daddy
Daddy


Responsible
Supreme Hero
and why not.
posted August 01, 2004 08:49 PM

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and cancellation only takes away good spells from target
negative spells stay
Yea, and it killes/reduces  summoned/illusioned creatures

reg
Daddy
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balcough_dra...
balcough_dragons


Supreme Hero
unlucky? i want to pump you up
posted August 01, 2004 08:53 PM

i didn't forget
i just didn't want to

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Lich_King
Lich_King


Honorable
Supreme Hero
posted August 02, 2004 10:31 AM

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evil eyez spells are = cowardice , curse , weakness , fatigue , cancellation , disrupting ray , misfortune , sorrow.


Forgot to add "Forgetfulness" for ranged units.

AFAIK, Evil Eyes are exelent barb dispellers...
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recca_cool
recca_cool


Hired Hero
posted August 02, 2004 11:48 AM

@Lich_King
Yup they are excellent especially at attacking UNITS.. however fighting heores and after advancing a little bit (few months) in the game time, there magic deem slightly useless... as they are not very powerful as well

Also, comparing to other shooters, they are weak Not the weakest, but also not the strongest, so i would say they are average , in my personal opinion
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balcough_dra...
balcough_dragons


Supreme Hero
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posted August 02, 2004 04:24 PM

ah i did
i always see them cast that the least so i forgot
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