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Heroes Community > Heroes 7+ Altar of Wishes > Thread: do the 3do people actually read these?
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eeva_leena
eeva_leena

Tavern Dweller
posted July 25, 2001 07:16 PM

do the 3do people actually read these?

All these posts have got some really good ideas and all, but will the 3do people actually read these or these posts will just be a wishful list and rumors? I cant think that the 3do people will actually sit down and read all these posts because it would be very time consuming. How are these ideas/suggestions going to be heared by the 3do team? I noticed some of the posts got ratings on them ie. important, interesting etc. but who is rating these? the 3do team? the administrators? a poll perhaps or just by the mass amounts of replies and views? I dont want to see good ideas going unheard.
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LadyLily
LadyLily


Known Hero
The Iron Maiden
posted July 25, 2001 07:20 PM

IT sucks, doesn't it? I asked the same question I little while ago, but I won't get mad at you for thinking the same way.
I doubt that 3DO actually reads these. There are probably a lot of HoMM boards out there on the net. And even though this board may have the most members or the "best" ideas, they probably still won't listen to our ideas. Even if they do include some of the things we thought, the likeliness of them taking it from this board is low.
You could always e-mail them with our ideas, which a few have done already. But so late in the production, do we relayl want to screw up the game?
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LordPaul
LordPaul


Promising
Famous Hero
Crazy Bat Guy.
posted July 25, 2001 07:25 PM

Trust me...

3do replies to every e-mail you send them, no matter how stupid.  And a few people at 3do have admitted to being to this board once or twice.  Did they look at the threads?  Who knows?

As you can see from Incubus's '...White Tiger...' thread they actually do use some of our ideas, even this late in the game.  Though, I think, they modify them to their standerds.

You can e-mail them here: heroes3websters@3do.com


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ozzyosbourne
ozzyosbourne


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Famous Hero
Riddler of the Sky
posted July 25, 2001 07:31 PM

hey LordPaul.. how do you email 3DO????
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LordPaul
LordPaul


Promising
Famous Hero
Crazy Bat Guy.
posted July 25, 2001 07:39 PM

Uh......

Didn't I post it in my last post?  Well, here is their e-mail address again:

heroes3websters@3do.com


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ozzyosbourne
ozzyosbourne


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Famous Hero
Riddler of the Sky
posted July 25, 2001 07:42 PM

thanks LordPaul.. sorry, i didnt see it before..

I'm a little tired right now.. and when i posted my last post i found a sweet *** riff over my guitar....
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Maximane
Maximane


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Pot Burner
posted July 25, 2001 09:43 PM bonus applied.

"Signs point you the direction. Making brighter signs still points you the direction

It is a present and apparent fact that people and/or representatives somewhere in the chain from 3do do in occasion watch this page.

The whole purpose for these forums is not for just the unanswered cries for solutions.  Some people's suggestions on this forum may be carried on to the next level and examined to see if it could be used.

If you however want your cries answered and perhaps used, then make your statements and suggestions orderly and detailed.  That will be your best bet to a reply.

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Sha_Men
Sha_Men


Responsible
Supreme Hero
Jack-Of-No-Trades
posted July 25, 2001 09:59 PM

Maximane is right...

I think some 3do staff really visit and look some of topics seen here.
Jennifer Bullard (also known as Maranthea) has said that he and the team has visited some fansites...at least this was the case with HoMM 3.
However it's possibly much efficient to send an email to 3do that just post them here. I also believe that 3do gets a load of these emails everyday so I'm not sure how many "real" ideas reach the top of designers and not the virtual shredding machine.

What I'm concerned around here is the way that some of the threads about heroes are put down by some threads that have nothing to really do with "wishes".
People should really put more effort to tell their opinion and that's more than "I hate that".
But I won't say anything more because it's no use. We are here to post wishes for HoMM IV and for the expansions so let them freely flow into the board.
Maybe someone really listens...

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vesuvius
vesuvius

Hero of Order
Honor Above all Else
posted July 25, 2001 10:12 PM

wake up people

sure 3do comes to the boards, the fan sites, and tournaments; this is very true -- however its more the 'big brother is watching you' effect, as to see what the community is thinking.

However, 3do is very egocentric, and is possibly the worst PC game distributor for fan support.  Their official standpoint of fan support is substantially nil, a policy they follow in force.  This in turn, means that what you say here, whether positive or negative, criticsm or suggestion, WILL fall on deaf ears.

This isnt speculation, but a fact.

If the might and magic franchise was owned by EA, infogrammes, sierra, interplay and many other PC distributors, we would have a far different community and fan support base, with community beta testers and true openess to suggestions.
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Thunder
Thunder


Responsible
Famous Hero
posted July 25, 2001 10:32 PM

Why is everyone always speaking of 3DO?

NWC (New World Computing) have maked Heroes not 3DO (3DO is just publisher)

Of course 3D0 surely has a great impact to heroes series.
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Sha_Men
Sha_Men


Responsible
Supreme Hero
Jack-Of-No-Trades
posted July 25, 2001 11:06 PM

I personally mean...

NWC when I'm speaking about 3do...
I'm not sure does everybody else...

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Rage
Rage


Adventuring Hero
Slipping Through the Trees
posted July 26, 2001 12:17 AM

Does this mean bad news for TOH Ves? ie no solutions to various cheating or links to toh? Cause I remember awhile back that you said (or am i crazy) NWC was going to work with TOH on some things...

What tha dilly o?
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LordPaul
LordPaul


Promising
Famous Hero
Crazy Bat Guy.
posted July 26, 2001 12:47 AM

3do doesn't seem to have shame.  (see the Army men series).  But NWC seems to really care.  I think we all mean NWC when we say 3do.


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thunderknight
thunderknight


Promising
Famous Hero
posted July 26, 2001 07:35 PM

3Wo

NWC ? 3do ? so what ?
I don't care about company name.
I don't come here to got involved in company issues coz I don't got paid for that.

So, just call it 3Wo.

Back to topic.
I think 3Wo did listen to the communinity "to some extent".
Hey, men, they did abandon the Forge town idea in h3 expansion due to strong opposition from fans.

Never compare 3Wo with EA, Infogame, Sierra.........
don't know..... "shrug"


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Sha_Men
Sha_Men


Responsible
Supreme Hero
Jack-Of-No-Trades
posted July 26, 2001 07:45 PM

Strong opposition?...

Pretty mildly said...
Did you know that designers got angry mail and even threats from some of the fans because of Forge?
At least that's the impression they gave...

We don't need another forge for sure...
I have kinda thought that maybe it was after that when the game company stopped listening the fans too much. I mean they must been angry themselves as they got that kind of mail...
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vesuvius
vesuvius

Hero of Order
Honor Above all Else
posted July 27, 2001 01:36 AM

NWC/3DO

New World Computing was bought by 3DO before the release of homm3.  Since then, many changes have worked through the company and many of the original people in NWC no longer work for NWC.   Especially for homm4, frankly there are few employees involved who were there for homm2&1.  The creator Jan Van C.  sold the rights of the might and magic franchise to 3D0.   He was directly behind homm1 &2, but only a guiding entity in homm3.  IN homm4 I doubt that is even the case.

Point to this history is to state that NWC of homm2 isnt the NWC we have today, but more just a subdivision of fresh employees sent to tackle the next wave of homm, namely homm4.  

To Rage:  My statements earlier about lack of fan support reflects the position TOH has with 3D0, which is more 'big brother is watching you' but no real direct support.  My recommendations to do a few simple things to help reduce map editing type cheating, trainers, and viewing saves, fall on deaf ears; when I email these recommendations, to say, Maranthea, she says she will 'forward' to the right department, however, no productive reply comes beyond this.

I will be investing about $5000 for the new TOH automation for homm4, and 3do will not be supporting a penny of that, but at this point I dont really care.  To me what matters is that I'm addicted to homm, and homm4 is going to be a great game, and therefore valid enough reason to spend what I am to support an even bigger tourney.
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Maximane
Maximane


Adventuring Hero
Pot Burner
posted July 27, 2001 03:58 AM

Fan support (among other things) takes more than just commitment.  A publishing company (in this case 3DO) does not take apon any fan support what-so-ever.  To be truthful, they never will.  This is not because fan support is a bad idea, it is because it is considered a waste of resources.

Entire corporations and enterprises base their 'product' apon the consumers.  However their concern over the consumer will always lack.

Why is that?

It is the same reason why companies always have problems answering Technical Support issues.  It is because a large corporation or enterprise can not focus its resources per customer.  Yes it is true that Tech Support most probably will answer your question eventually, however some of the time (well, more like most) they will either answer indirectly or subvert you.

What is the minimal amount of people it takes to answer something?  One.

Now, let us say a single product from a corporation has 100,000 consumers (practically this is a very small and inaccurate number, however it will still prove the point).  So if we go by the present process answered above, that would mean a corporation would have to focus apon 100,000 employees to answer 100,000 consumers.
Yes it is true that those questions are placed apon a queue and are not answered promptly.

However that was only 100,000.
What about 1,000,000???  And that is only on one corporation's single product.  A corporation could active allocate resources for a dozen products.

The math itself is both terrifying and unwanted.
Why do we have a lack of Fan support?  (and remember, that example was on Tech Support, not Fan Support)

-Maximane
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David
David

Tavern Dweller
posted July 27, 2001 04:18 AM

Wishes :)

Call me a dreamer, but sometimes strong wishes come true. It has happened to me at least sometimes. When i was a child and was on my english lab course (my native tongue is spanish) we were asked to make a script about two persons talking about their jobs. So we freely may choose our profesions. I played as a pro wrestler (a child has real belief in their dreams) and now i'm almost are (there's only one school here in my country and i only knew it existed because a friend told me about it).
In my late teens i was talking about an university friend about what computer i would like to have: a PS/1 (by that time it was like buying a spaceship... prohibitive for me). I do own it know as i received as a christmas gift from my mom, but i never told her about this.
In my early twenties i change my studies area from math engineering to forestry engineering (same university, different faculty). The change involved something i never really liked classes lasted 2 hours with some minutes to change from one classroom to another for 2 more hours, then the lunch and then again for afternoon. Some years ago, faculty (without asking anyone or somebody talked about) stated that classes will last 1 and half hours with 15 minutes of break in between. The same i had been wishing when i started...

Maybe this is some old fashioned karma philosophy. But sometimes you get what you really wish wholeheartedly. I guess many of us will get a big surprise when first playing HOMM4... for good or for bad.

That's my little sand grain (spanish for two cents)

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vesuvius
vesuvius

Hero of Order
Honor Above all Else
posted July 27, 2001 08:53 AM

Maximane

Maximane youre missing the point though... even though you use the example of tech support, the point is simply placed in comparison to other gaming companies.

3D0's policy is quite unique, actually, in that it places itself weakest when it comes to fan support.  Not every company cares to support fans, Interplay is an example, but even they have better fan support.  Beyond this, literally any new game that comes out these days (especially in the fantasy realm) whether it be another Diablo or Dungeon Siege, has a huge section for fan site links, and will support serious communities with sponsorship or at least a positive pat on the back.

None of this exists with 3D0. Period.
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Maximane
Maximane


Adventuring Hero
Pot Burner
posted July 27, 2001 11:21 PM

Well the only true way I could understand 3D0 was if I actually worked there.  *chuckles*

No, I think the point that is misled is the fact that those corporations and enterprise try to justify their reasons because of such stated above.

No, I do not support their reasonings and find it highly misjust.  All I did was point out their point of view, not of mine.

If a corporation or enterprise wants to justify their reasonings for the lack of fan support, then they will have to justify it themselves.
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