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Consis
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posted August 22, 2004 01:55 AM |
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Tick For Tack In Logic, Reason, And Ethics
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Let's start with money and society. I am somewhat of an anarchist
Anarchist eh? Then you obviously disagree with the family unit as well. Anarchy is no rules government, family, or otherwise. Is not Heroes Community a great big family? Well I think so....
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I find todays world to be simply too destructive to be worth living for. All the things that come with todays society, like politics, the mentality, I don't like any of it.
It is indeed quite a destructive world we live in. Abuse of power on the simple premise that it is done simply because it can be done.
But this mentality sort that you don't like, this is confusing. You cannot hope to achieve anything of significance if you face such horribly broad generalizations. Take this board for example. You said that you don't necessarily feel this way about the members of this board. But why would you not like the rest of the world excluding this board? This is flawed logic. We members of the HC are of the world as much as the world is of us. It's an entire planet of infinite possibilities. Where you see the destruction, so too, is there the love and the life which grows and moves forward in its own evolution. Evil and good are equal and synonymous, two sides of the same coin. You will find that for every evil act there is an equal good act seeking to cancel it out. The same goes for good acts. The real evil is complacency. To take your freedom or peace for granted is too invite the opposite side of the coin into your habitat.
Once again, why would the HC members be ok to you but not the rest of world? I think it is because we actually listen to you when you speak. We actually respond with intellect while your surrounding company gives you the cold shoulder. We might seem better because we have so much in common with you. Take advantage of your commonalities and generate yourself some trustworthy loyal friends. You can start right here in HC. Once you have a true friend you will find that a good friendship will help you up when you are down and feeling depressed. A true friendship is one that will always be interested in you and your personal uniqueness. To a friend, you are special to the world, and vice versa. I wish you to not give up your hope for the independent light of loyal companionship.
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Secondly, I despise money. I despise materialism, I ask for no money and would gladly die poor
I couldn't agree with you more my friend. We are like minds on this matter.
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Because of my hate for money and society, I consequently have no desire to be part of a community or have social status.
Once again, I am in full agreement.
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My passion is history, and that links with theology and philosophy.
This is absolutely wonderful and fascinating! I can't tell you how much your future holds in store for you. Think of the accomplishments you could achieve! Think of the most exciting excavations you could one day be a part of. Think of all the history you could help uncover with your love for such knowledge. You would be travelling the world looking for lost answers! There is yet still so much we have to learn of man/womankind's own history.
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It soon came to me that no matter how hard I would work perfection could not be achived in the study of history nor philosophy, for we are limited by our own minds. Plus, I am sick of seeing brilliant minds wasted away because the sistem, or the world, or whoever you want to blame doesn't give them a chance. So I gave up my quest for knowlege.
Do you think Einstein would have said such things; Or any other great scientist that helped the world see the light and error of its ways? Did we humans not at one time think the world was round and the center of the universe? If we had given up and simply accepted that as canon then I submit that we might still be stuck in the dark and middle ages with no cures for such deadly diseases as smallpox, polio, and the like.
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I am disgusted, and I mean that literally, by the world today. People make me sick. I'm not talking about everybody, and I'm not refering to anybody here or any one I appreciate. I'm talking about the majority of the world.
Once again I am led to wonder what it is about we HC members that excludes us from your opinion of the world. Logically, If we are not as terrible as the rest of the world then one might think this to be a place one could find peace of mind in. To be at peace with one's self is very important in my way of thinking.
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by enjoying every sunrise and sunset, by dancing in the rain and marvelling at the snow, by being amazed and apreciating art and all the good things man has done, and so on.
Of these things I cherish and hold close to my heart. As surely as people will try to hurt me, so too, will these things surely be there to inspire hope within my very soul.
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Aculias
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posted August 22, 2004 02:24 AM |
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WHat hes talking about is just everyday stress which we all have, we all stress we just learn to deal with it & some of us do it diferently, you make choices in life & you dang well better deal with it.
I mean it's normal everyday stress & other examples, well theres more important thangs in life.
Give me a break that is no reason but someone that is weak, a weak minded person basically that cries because they have a hard life.
Well shoot I bet I can tell him a fraction of my life that will make his life look royal.
I am making it.
You can too.
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Wolfman
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posted August 22, 2004 02:38 AM |
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a weak minded person basically that cries because they have a hard life.
Sometimes a good cry is helpful. 
Go off by yourself and cry. In the woods in the middle of the night or something. Then go to sleep, you'll feel better in the morning. I found it very helpful this summer. It doesn't make you a wimp. 
When you're off by yourself, think about whats bothering you, then determine whether you can do anything about it or not. If you can't, sit back and enjoy the ride. Life is a series is choices, but they're not always yours to make.
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Aculias
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posted August 22, 2004 02:44 AM |
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I agree well I dont but you know, no one has to know about it right Wolfman
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LichKing
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posted August 22, 2004 03:25 AM |
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Give it a rest
If you truly want to commit suicide, why bother everyone else with it?
People die in this world everyday. Natural causes, accidents, murders, suicides, whatever....
If you have a real problem you need help with then this is not the place where you will find such help.
See a priest. See a shrink. Talk to God or your brother or someone who might actually know you and have some real insight about the issues that make oblivion seem so enticing to you.
If you really want to die I feel sorry for you. Have you considered the impact such an act will have on the people who actually do know you and care for you? Could it be that they don't matter?
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Consis
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Of Ruby
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posted August 22, 2004 03:43 AM |
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I Disagree
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People don't come here to read about this kind of crap. That isn't what they come here for. Chances are it isn't what you come here for, either. They come here to read about Heroes. They come here to get away.
I am a person who visits this message board for more than Heroes related subject matters. If you will please look around and read enough posts, then you will notice an abundance of individuals with charm, charisma, humor, education, and much more. I understand that many people come here for that very reason but not me. I know you like to call people names and point fingers so go ahead and call me whatever you want.
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If you really want to die I feel sorry for you because you obviously lack the courage to weather whatever trials you are faced with at the time.
Then both I and all the others who have thought about this are cowards too, yes?
I once felt as though I had nothing to live for. Life is very difficult for people sometimes. I don't really have any answers on how to solve the problem. I only know that telling them they are cowards doesn't help. I know from personal experience that I felt like I had no one to turn to for talking. This message board is a good place to learn where to go when you need to talk. Sometimes people can be in such pain that they don't see further than the nose on their faces.
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LichKing
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posted August 22, 2004 04:38 AM |
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Consis, your're entirely free to disagree.
I don't have a problem with that.
What I do have a problem with is you saying "I know you like to call people names and point fingers so go ahead and call me whatever you want."
First off, you don't know me. You don't know what I like or what I dislike. You aren't qualified to make such broad generalisations about me or my character and I'd appreciate it if you would refrain from doing so in the future.
I'm not going to 'call you whatever I want'. I'm just not motivated to do that. You show the 'world' your true colors every time you click on the 'Submit' button and honor us with yet another of your brilliant posts. You don't need me to put you in the spotlight
If I were going to engage in some sort of childish namecalling game with you I'd probably call you insecure, weak-minded, kept, attention-seeking, pompous, arrogant, self-righteous, fake, phony, artificial, self-important or something along those lines. Then I'd probably bring up the past and try to embarrass you. I'd most likely mention something like how foolish you looked when you stuck your nose right into the middle of a joking conversation that had nothing to do with you when you were commenting about 'how sad it made you and how you hated to say it but you saw it coming' after you misunderstood an old, old ToH joke about us receiving royalties from 3DoH. Then I'd mention how quickly you deleted your post when you realized what an ass you'd just made of yourself
Then, if I was really intent upon insulting you I would add how truly pathetic I thought it was of you to literally beg people to join in on your 'Picture Posting Practice' thread after it had been in place for quite some time and participation was pretty much nil. I'd close with something like 'Hey, I'm Consis and Iwannabesomebody, so read this and tell me how wise I am'.
Thing is, I don't have any personal issues with you so I see no reason to behave like a child when I'm communicating with you.
Nope, you're A-O.K. in my book
In fact, I'm glad to have you here as a member of the Hommunity
We need more members like you.
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Aculias
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posted August 22, 2004 05:09 AM |
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on the 19th of this post, if hes looking to commit suicide then I am thinking he want to do it that day & yea I'll help him, but what you fail to understand Consis that it's not the 19th anymore & hes still talking about it on everyday stress.
We did what we can for him.
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Consis
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posted August 22, 2004 06:20 AM |
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Edited By: Consis on 22 Aug 2004
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I Guess I Know Nothing
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I'd probably call you insecure, weak-minded, kept, attention-seeking, pompous, arrogant, self-righteous, fake, phony, artificial, self-important or something along those lines. Then I'd probably bring up the past and try to embarrass you. I'd most likely mention something like how foolish you looked when you stuck your nose right into the middle of a joking conversation that had nothing to do with you when you were commenting about 'how sad it made you and how you hated to say it but you saw it coming' after you misunderstood an old, old ToH joke about us receiving royalties from 3DoH. Then I'd mention how quickly you deleted your post when you realized what an ass you'd just made of yourself
Then, if I was really intent upon insulting you I would add how truly pathetic I thought it was of you to literally beg people to join in on your 'Picture Posting Practice' thread after it had been in place for quite some time and participation was pretty much nil.
If that is how you feel then that is how you feel. I simply don't appreciate you calling him a coward for feeling so pummeled by the world that suicide is the only answer. It happens to the best of us.
But hey if you wanna continue on saying things like that then go ahead.  Apparently I know nothing about you.
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Roses Are RedAnd So Am I
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Valeriy
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Naughty, Naughty Valeriy
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posted August 22, 2004 09:00 AM |
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Insults are not allowed at Heroes Community. Insult is any remark that undermines the persona of another member. Whether censored or not, posting insults will attract a warning and then a penalty. A simple way to avoid insulting people is to discuss their actions rather than their personality. For example: rather than saying who they are, "you suck" or "you are a .....", say what you think about what they've done and why you think that, for example "I think your accusation is inaccurate because (facts)".
LichKing, above is pasted from the FAQ/Rules section, Code of Conduct. Reference to a potential insult, as elaborate as the one in your message, definitely undermines persona of another member, and hence will be treated as an insult. This is a warning. Please disagree without undermining the other person.
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Now speaking as a member, I note that you say: Quote:
You aren't qualified to make such broad generalisations about me or my character and I'd appreciate it if you would refrain from doing so in the future.
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People don't come here to read about this kind of crap. They come here to read about Heroes... They come here to get away.
It is a broad generalisation. I certainly do not come here to read about Heroes. Real life kind of topics where people say what they really think and feel interest me a lot more. I'm sure I'm not the only one like this. Also, this message is not in one of the Heroes game discussion boards, it's on a board designated as "real life talk".
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Be an example of what you want to see on HC and in the world.
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frostwolf
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livin' in a bottle of vodka
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posted August 23, 2004 10:25 PM |
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Ok, i'm back. Thank you Consis and Romana for the support. I really appreciate it. And I also thank the rest of you (I'm serious) for the kick in the head. Mybe you're right and I'm a selfish, arrogant, cowardly son of a snow. Maybe not. Who gives a hell? Anyway, I plan to drink my life away, and I'm not doing badly.
Thanx again Consis and Romana, you're great.
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What can you expect from a world where everybody lives because they're too afraid to commit suicide?
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Draco
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posted August 23, 2004 10:45 PM |
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nothin wrong with drinking your life away  Thats how I plan on living the next couple years. (you almost need to drink to be a student)
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Nidhgrin
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posted August 23, 2004 11:05 PM |
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So yeah, the world can be a pretty crappy place but if everyone would just step out of it, who would be left to try and make it better hmm?  Live life taste life, suicide is not what you need, you just need
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Lord_Woock
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posted August 23, 2004 11:27 PM |
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I was going to write a post attempting to help you find meaning in your life, but decided not to. You wanna kill yourself, then I'm not stopping you. I know what it's like when I want to do something but people won't let me.
And what's the postal code to Oblivion by the way?
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Valeriy
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Naughty, Naughty Valeriy
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posted August 23, 2004 11:59 PM |
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Mybe you're right and I'm a selfish, arrogant, cowardly son of a *****.
I think you're the one saying that.
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Be an example of what you want to see on HC and in the world.
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LichKing
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posted August 24, 2004 12:06 AM |
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.......LichKing, above is pasted from the FAQ/Rules section, Code of Conduct. Reference to a potential insult, as elaborate as the one in your message, definitely undermines persona of another member, and hence will be treated as an insult. This is a warning. Please disagree without undermining the other person.
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Val, I'm familiar with the code of conduct and I didn't feel I was breaking it. My post wasn't meant to be an elaborate reference to a potential insult, lol. I was simply explaining to Consis what I would do if I were to engage in some sort of childish namecalling game and start pointing fingers at people. I've never had any exchanges with him. I don't know him and he doesn't know me. He isn't qualified to comment about my character or personality and I was quite unhappy with his rude and insulting remark about me. I figured he had such a huge misunderstanding about me that I should give a clear example of what I would say/do if I actually were of the mind to be insulting.
I still don't feel that I attacked him. I do find it somewhat bewildering that you would find my post worthy of a warning but weren't the least bit annoyed by his insulting comment toward me. But, hey, that's ok. If a little flame written by a complete stranger is enough to upset me then perhaps I should just completely avoid reading anything else that person writes and that way I won't get my feelings hurt.
I'll avoid making any elaborate references to potential insults in the future.
I won't remove my comments because I wasn't intent upon insulting him, but rather wanted to illustrate what ''namecalling and fingerpointing'' actually are. Still, if the post is upsetting to you then feel free to delete it. I won't be offended.
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People don't come here to read about this kind of crap. They come here to read about Heroes... They come here to get away.
It is a broad generalisation. I certainly do not come here to read about Heroes. Real life kind of topics where people say what they really think and feel interest me a lot more. I'm sure I'm not the only one like this. Also, this message is not in one of the Heroes game discussion boards, it's on a board designated as "real life talk".
You are right. My first post was hypocritical. I have edited it.
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Aculias
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posted August 24, 2004 02:50 AM |
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Frost you gave up & the posts that seemed messed up or mean is a reality check.
Thats life you deal with it or you can run from it by drinking your life away like some on the net that i know unfortunately.
Go out to clubs, go to som e parties & quit feeling sorry for your decisions that got you into this slump & pick yourself up & try again to make it.
Tired of hearing loser reasons.
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Shai-Hulud
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posted August 24, 2004 07:30 AM |
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Don't know why.. or how.. But the other day, an idea poped-up.. Since I haven't been on Heroescommunity too much for the past week , I had no clue of this thread, so nothing could have influenced me.. But it camed.. I was thinking sokmething like...
The most important moment of a human's life, it's trough paradox, his death! Why?!? Simple.. Birth.. Who wants rebirth ?!? Nobody thinks at his birth, but at his death... Only a budist would think at his rebirth, but I'm talking about the usual case. Maybe some of you, don't get the argument, but let me explain.. Mostly, people concentrate at the present or future... Many plan how thier death is going to be.. So trough a logical response, trough all the attention given to this point of his life, I say death is the most important moment of someone's life.. Some of you would say.. No, actually it's his weeding( you know in the old traditions, it is said that a man has 3 importnat moments of his life). No it isn't. Simply beacuse you can always get a divorce. But death.. Death is something different.. You get a rebirth( your soul leaves the body, you know the story), you get a weeding too( your weeding with death itself..) and finally he gets his death, his peace after a life full of weakness. Don't know if you got the ideea...
Anyway, saying this, I want to point one thing: Death is the most glorious moment in somebody's life.. Also it ocurred to me, that hanging, jumping from the 10th floor or getting drowned is the stupidiest thing to do.. If you read Salinger's novell " The Catcher in the Rye", you'll get the ideea.. That guy who jumped through the window, and had his teeth all over the street... Ruining what is most precious.. Then again, using vodka with pills is another stupid thing to do.. In the most exalting moment of your life, that should only be linked with your spirit, you still try to link to this world, using some materialistic stuff.. Again, hope you got that( it's something that has a perfect shape in my head, but simply i can't explain it trough words.)
Now Frostwolf, I'm not giving either my support or my dissaproval at what you intend to do.. Been there, lived that, so I know how it is.. But consider my ideea.. If you wanna die, think of something wise: "Let death come to you, don't you go to her!"
Edit: I've read all the posts, now... When I wrote the thing above only read first 3 posts.. Seemed to me to much of a coincidence, so I've posted to early... Anyway.. read your posts.. Don't know if you read my posts, Frostwolf, from the suicides thread... but i'm posting it again to be sure..
I have one opinion related to suicide. The only persons who have the right to suicide are those who hate all humans, not humanity, all humans beacuse they are like him, same biological beeing and beacuse and he doesn't want to see a human again, he can't kill all humans(logically) so the only solution... I'm not saying that all you who have this feeling should go and jump from the 9'th floor, but I really don't see any possible reason for someone to go for a seppuku, except this...)
So you're not the only one.. But I've got over the ideea.. at one moment of my life I wanted so much to just have a disease that would make me stay in bed all day and that way I could concetrate only on reading.. At the religion class, when or teacher asked us what was the most important thing in our life, all others said:" Health, Love, Religion etc".. When my turn camed, I first asked the teacher if I could disagree all the other ideeas( which I did) and then said my opinion, which was something like: "Everything else, only not me!" I was considered a pshyco form that moment, but yet, when the teacher asked us the vote which was the one who was right, I got the most votes( paradox), and I haven't voted myself...
Don't know, this would be considered off-topic.. But who knows.. Maybe someone around here gets something from this stuff...
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Aculias
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posted August 24, 2004 08:41 AM |
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We had many topics on your situations somewhere around here & it's all a mystery which makes it that facination.
I would find those threads but too tired & i dont even know which forums thier in any more now theres so many of them now hehe.
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