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apricane
apricane


Hired Hero
posted October 08, 2004 07:16 PM

Wow i didnt know that. Are you sure? Orcs doesnt seem small to me

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Kallen
Kallen


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posted October 08, 2004 10:40 PM

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in some sources goblins are almost everything: the little spirits that bring bad luck to sailors (don't remember the name), brownies, leprechauns, dwarves, pixies, etc.

And: Coblynau or Knacker, Kobold, Gnome, Klurikaun, Klabauter........
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armageddonicidiot


Adventuring Hero
posted October 08, 2004 11:08 PM

Yay, my first hot topic

So that's what the goblins really are. That makes it seem meaningless to make an own troop for them. It's like having demon as one troop while such as familiar and behemoth (which are demons) are other troops.

Well, then, to get back to the topic, do goblins then belong in a barbaric town?
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gerdash
gerdash


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from the Animated Peace
posted October 09, 2004 09:44 AM

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Wow i didnt know that. Are you sure? Orcs doesnt seem small to me
about tolkien orcs i am sure (the exception was saruman's orcs that were an improvement to the original orcs and were suspected to be a half-breed between orcs and some other race). if you want to check it, in the tomb scene in moria there was an orkish chieftain who was said to be huge and almost man-high at the same time (in the movie there was a troll instead). and in hornburg scene the dwarf complained that humans were too tall for his axe, he'd better chop the necks of orcs (which seems strange because they were saruman's orcs, maybe they were also not quite as tall as humans or maybe tolkien just slipped and made a small mistake there). and, as far as i remember, orcs are also small in the probably most strictly tolkien-based mud, called mume.

*catches breath*

btw, used webster for dwarf and gnome, and the result was somewhat confusing:

dwarf
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Etymology: Middle English dwerg, dwerf, from Old English dweorg, dweorh; akin to Old High German twerg dwarf
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3 : a small legendary manlike being who is usually misshapen and ugly and skilled as an artificer
..and that's all there is about the dwarves that might be intereseing from the point of view of homm.

gnome
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Main Entry: 2gnome
Function: noun
Etymology: French, from New Latin gnomus
1 : an ageless and often deformed dwarf of folklore who lives in the earth and usually guards treasure
2 : an elemental being in the theory of Paracelsus that inhabits earth


well, that's somewhat surprising, especially the paracelsus part. looks like dwarves were called gnomes in one village and gnomes were called dwarves in another. and maybe in the village next to church both were probably called goblins. dwarves are just small misshapen artisans?
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ok, let's see what else the dictionary says:

brownie
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Etymology: 1brown
1 : a legendary good-natured elf that performs helpful services at night


druid
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Etymology: Latin druides, druidae, plural, from Gaulish druides; akin to Old Irish druí druid, and perhaps to Old English trEow tree
: one of an ancient Celtic priesthood appearing in Irish and Welsh sagas and Christian legends as magicians and wizards
now, if druids are called priests, shamans are probably also called priests. turns out to be true:
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Etymology: ultimately from Evenki (Tungusic language of Siberia) samAn
1 : a priest or priestess who uses magic for the purpose of curing the sick, divining the hidden, and controlling events
2 : one who resembles a shaman; especially : HIGH PRIEST 3
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1 : a chief priest especially of the ancient Jewish Levitical priesthood traditionally traced from Aaron
2 : a priest of the Melchizedek priesthood in the Mormon Church
3 : the head of a movement or chief exponent of a doctrine or an art



dryad
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Etymology: Latin dryad-, dryas, from Greek, from drys tree -- more at TREE
: WOOD NYMPH
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: a nymph living in woods -- called also dryad



dwarf
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Etymology: Middle English dwerg, dwerf, from Old English dweorg, dweorh; akin to Old High German twerg dwarf
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3 : a small legendary manlike being who is usually misshapen and ugly and skilled as an artificer


elf
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Etymology: Middle English, from Old English ælf; akin to Old Norse alfr elf & perhaps to Latin albus white -- more at ALB
1 : a small often mischievous fairy
2 : a small lively creature; also : a usually lively mischievous or malicious person


fairy (faerie)
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Etymology: Middle English fairie fairyland, fairy people, from Old French faerie, from feie, fee fairy, from Latin Fata, goddess of fate, from fatum fate
1 : a mythical being of folklore and romance usually having diminutive human form and magic powers
2 usually disparaging : a male homosexual

fairyland
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1 : the land of fairies
2 : a place of delicate beauty or magical charm


familiar
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3 : a spirit often embodied in an animal and held to attend and serve or guard a person
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familiar spirit
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1 : a spirit or demon that serves or prompts an individual
2 : the spirit of a dead person invoked by a medium to advise or prophesy


fiend
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Etymology: Middle English, from Old English fIend; akin to Old High German fIant enemy, Sanskrit pIyati he scorns
1 a : DEVIL 1 b : DEMON c : a person of great wickedness or maliciousness
2 : a person extremely devoted to a pursuit or study : FANATIC <a golf fiend>
3 : ADDICT 1 <a dope fiend>
4 : WIZARD 3 <a fiend at mathematics>


gnome
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Main Entry: 2gnome
Function: noun
Etymology: French, from New Latin gnomus
1 : an ageless and often deformed dwarf of folklore who lives in the earth and usually guards treasure
2 : an elemental being in the theory of Paracelsus that inhabits earth


goblin
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Etymology: Middle English gobelin, from Middle French, from Medieval Latin gobelinus, ultimately from Greek kobalos rogue
: an ugly or grotesque sprite that is mischievous and sometimes evil and malicious


gremlin
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Etymology: origin unknown
: a cause of error or equipment malfunction (as in aircraft) conceived of as a small mischievous gnome


imp
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Etymology: Middle English impe, from Old English impa, from impian to imp
1 obsolete : SHOOT, BUD; also : GRAFT
2 a : a small demon : FIEND b : a mischievous child : URCHIN


kobold
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Etymology: German -- more at COBALT
1 : a gnome that in German folklore inhabits underground places
2 : an often mischievous domestic spirit of German folklore


leprechaun
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Etymology: Irish leipreachán
: a mischievous elf of Irish folklore usually believed to reveal the hiding place of treasure if caught


nymph
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Etymology: Middle English nimphe, from Middle French, from Latin nympha bride, nymph, from Greek nymphE -- more at NUPTIAL
1 : any of the minor divinities of nature in classical mythology represented as beautiful maidens dwelling in the mountains, forests, trees, and waters
2 : GIRL
3 : any of various immature insects; especially : a larva of an insect (as a grasshopper, true bug, or mayfly) with incomplete metamorphosis that differs from the imago especially in size and in its incompletely developed wings and genitalia -- compare NAIAD 2
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Etymology: Middle English, from Middle French or Latin; Middle French naïade, from Latin naiad-, naias, from Greek, from nan to flow -- more at NOURISH
1 : any of the nymphs in classical mythology living in and giving life to lakes, rivers, springs, and fountains
2 : any of the aquatic young of a mayfly, dragonfly, damselfly, or stone fly -- compare NYMPH 3
3 : any of a genus (Najas of the family Najadaceae) of submerged aquatic plants


water nymph
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: a nymph (as a naiad, Nereid, or Oceanid) associated with a body of water

wood nymph
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: a nymph living in woods -- called also dryad
water sprite
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: a sprite believed to inhabit or haunt water : WATER NYMPH


orc
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Main Entry: orc
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Encyclopædia Britannica Article
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orc
a mythical creature (such as a sea monster, a giant, or an ogre) of horrid form or aspect.
The word orc in English has two distinct sources. Orc in reference to a vaguely cetacean sea monster is borrowed from one or more Romance words, such as the French orque or the Italian orca, all ultimately descended from the Latin orca, which probably denoted a small cetacean such as the…
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orc
noun
1. Any of various whales or ferocious sea creatures, eg the killer whale.
2. An ogre.
Etymology: 16c: in sense 1 from French orque or Latin orca; in sense 2 perhaps from Latin orcus hell and Italian orco demon.


pixie
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Etymology: origin unknown
: FAIRY; specifically : a cheerful mischievous sprite
- pix·ie·ish  /-sE-ish/ adjective


sprite
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Etymology: Middle English sprit, from Middle French esprit, from Latin spiritus spirit -- more at SPIRIT
1 a archaic : SOUL b : a disembodied spirit : GHOST
2 a : ELF, FAIRY b : an elfish person

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Awra
Awra

Tavern Dweller
posted March 08, 2007 09:15 PM

OK I know I interrupt you in the middle of discussion, but I want to finish some problem, that appeared with connection of Behemoth.

AFAIK in Jewish mithology (of course if Jews' believes could we call mithology) there are three gigantous monsters: Behemoth, Leviathan and Ziz. First was the monster of Earth, second of Water (and it swallow Jonash) and the las one was a bird, which was so big, that coluld cover all sky by its wings.
 
In fact they WEREN'T the demons. They were rather good spirits, that service God. Behemoth save earth by killing predators, Leviathan eat sea predators, and Ziz scaries the birds that can kill and sing for God.

After Armaggedon, the saved people will eat their flesh on the great fest.

As the next issue i want to say that for me in the Rampart/Nature cities only creatures from Scandinavian mithology sholud occurs, that means Elves, Dwarfs, Giants, Trolls and so on. Whats more my iedal wizrds town Sholud be the mixture of the Tower (homm3) and Academy (hoom4 and 5) - Djinns, Efreete, Nagas, Rakshasas, Wizards and other creatures from Hindu mithology.  

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Ted
Ted


Promising
Supreme Hero
Peanut Exterminator
posted March 09, 2007 04:47 PM

sorry to say this thread is 2 years old, if you feel you wish to talk about such an matter please use a Heroes 3 forum, Heroes 5 is here now
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Card_Ximinez
Card_Ximinez


Famous Hero
no
posted March 09, 2007 04:51 PM

This isn't for Heroes 3, it's for Heroes 4.
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Ted
Ted


Promising
Supreme Hero
Peanut Exterminator
posted March 09, 2007 04:55 PM

oops, sorry, i never bothered to read it, i saw the part where it said, made in 2004 and got fairly angry rather quickly
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