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Thread: All special heroes' classes and specialties in RoE, AB and SoD This thread is 2 pages long: 1 2 · NEXT»
Muttley
Muttley


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posted October 18, 2004 10:12 AM bonus applied.
Edited By: angelito on 3 Feb 2005

All special heroes' classes and specialties in RoE, AB and SoD

First I must define what I call special hero. If a hero can't be bought in the tavern in RoE, has his/her own story, and is neither an Elementalist, nor a Planeswalker, I call it special hero.
I think that it will be the first complete list of these heroes, because I haven't seen such list so far even in this community. For example, I haven't seen infos about Ordwald yet. Let's start!

Name/Class/Specialty

Adrienne/Witch/Fire Magic= Starts with Expert Fire Magic
  SECONDARY SKILLS: Basic Wisdom, Expert Fire Magic
  STARTING SPELL: Inferno

Boragus/Barbarian/Ogres= Increases the Attack and Defense skills of any Ogre and Ogre Mage for each level attained after the 4th level
  SECONDARY SKILLS: Basic Offense, Basic Tactics
  STARTING SPELL: None

Catherine/Knight/Swordsmen= Increases the Attack and Defense skills of any Swordsmen and Crusaders for each level attained after the 4th level
  SECONDARY SKILLS: Basic Leadership, Basic Offense NOTE: This fits to Catherine in RoE, but in AB, Catherine's first two secondary skills are Archery and Logistic. In the editor Catherine has Leadership and Offense.
  STARTING SPELL: None

Dracon/Wizard/Enchanters= Can upgrade Monks and Zealots or Magi and Arch Magi to Enchanters
  SECONDARY SKILL: Advanced Wisdom
  STARTING SPELL: Haste
  NOTE: In the campaign Dragon Slayer Dracon starts with Basic Pathfinding, Basic Wisdom and Basic Sorcery and he has not Spell book

Gelu/Ranger/Sharpshooters= Can upgrade Archers and Marksmen or Wood Elves and Grand Elves to Sharpshooters
  SECONDARY SKILLS: Basic Leadership, Basic Archery
  STARTING SPELL: None

Gen.Kendal/Knight/in RoE:Estates= Receives a +5% per level bonus to Estates skill
                  in AB:Speed= All creatures receive +2 Speed
   SECONDARY SKILL: Advanced Leadership (hypotetical) NOTE: It is a bit difficult to define Gen.Kendal's starting secondary skills. In RoE, he is based upon Lord Haart, but Lord Haart has B.Leadership and B.Estates while Kendal's first two secondary skills are Leadership and Mysticism when we free him. In AB he is based upon Sir Mullich - I think because the living Lord Haart isn't enabled in AB - who has Advanced Leadership. The fact that Mysticism isn't a base property for Knights led me to the conclusion above.
   STARTING SPELL: None

Kilgor/Barbarian/Behemoths= Behemoths and Ancient Behemoths receive +5 Att, +5 Def, and +10 Dmg
  SECONDARY SKILL: Advanced Offense
  STARTING SPELL: None

Lord Haart/Death Knight/Black Knights= Black Knights and Dread Knights receive +5 Att, +5 Def, and +10 Dmg
  SECONDARY SKILL: Advanced Necromancy
  STARTING SPELL: Slow

Mutare/Overlord/Dragons= All Dragons receive +5 Attack, +5 Defense
  SECONDARY SKILLS: Basic Tactics, Basic Estates
  STARTING SPELL: Magic Arrow

Ordwald/Druid/Slayer= Casts Slayer with increased effect based on hero level compared to the level of the target unit(the bonus is greater when used on weaker units)
SECONDARY SKILL: Advanced Logistic (hypotetical) NOTE: By his story Ordwald rejected the life of a warrior and turned to magic. When we meet him, he has no empty "secondary skill box", and all his skills are on expert level. Considering that every warlock has Wisdom in the first "secondary skill box", I thinks Ordwald was born to an Overlord. (The warrior life he rejected refers to this too.) But Overlords haven't Wisdom as starting secondary skill, so I think Ordwald's starting secondary skill is Advanced Logistic, and when he turned to magic he had talent for he traind himself for Wisdom.
 STARTING SPELL: Slayer

Roland/Knight/Swordsmen= same as Catherine's
  SECONDARY SKILLS: Basic Leadership, Basic Armorer
  STARTING SPELL: None

Sir Mullich/Knight/Speed= All creatures receive +2 Speed
 SECONDARY SKILL: Advanced Leadership
 STARTING SPELL: None

Xeron/Demoniac/Devils= Devils and Arch Devils receive +4 Attack, +2 Defense, and +1 Speed
 SECONDARY SKILLS: Basic Leadership, Basic Tactics  
 STARTING SPELL:None

Finneas/Necromancer/Animate Dead= Casts Animate Dead with increased effect, based on hero level compared to the level of the target unit(the bonus is greater when used on weaker units)
  SECONDARY SKILLS: Basic Necromancy, Basic Mysticism
  STARTING SPELL: Animate Dead

Gem/Sorceress/First Aid= Receives a +5% per level bonus to First Aid skill
   SECONDARY SKILLS: Basic Wisdom, Basic First Aid
   STARTING SPELL: Lightning Bolt

Slash/Knight/Archery= receives a +5% per level bonus to Archery skill
  SECONDARY SKILLS: Basic Leadership, Basic Archery
  STARTING SPELL: None

Vidomina/Wizard/Fortune= Casts Fortune with increased effect, based on hero level compared to the level of the target unit(the bonus is greater when used on weaker units)
  SECONDARY SKILLS: Basic Wisdom, Basic Intelligence
  STARTING SPELL: Fortune

Yog/Wizard/Chain Lightning (He cannot use his specialty)
   SECONDARY SKILLS: Basic Tactics, Basic Offense
   STARTING SPELL: Has no Spell Book

NOTE: We cannot meet Finneas (based upon Thant), and Slash (based upon Orrin) as level 1 heroes, but their secondary skills fit to Thant's / Orrin's starting secondary skills, so nothing refers to a different version.

Christian in AB (Foolhardy Waywardness) and Sandro in SoD (Rise of the necromancer) are the same as in original unless they have different face.
In the AB editor there is a hero called Mutare Drake. She has different face(dragon) and biography than Mutare, but her skills are the same.





Edit by angelito

+QP given, nice work, usefull infos, good updates.

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Ste
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posted October 18, 2004 07:59 PM

Quote:
First I must define what I call special hero. If a hero can't be bought in the tavern in RoE, has his/her own story, and is neither an Elementalist, nor a Planeswalker, I call it special hero.
I think that it will be the first complete list of these heroes, because I haven't seen such list so far even in this community. Let's start!


but you don't say what exactly does each specialty like speed --> +2 speed to all units
Sharpshooters --> trains archers, marksmen, wood elves and grand elves to sharpshooters
[etc]

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posted October 18, 2004 10:08 PM

Plus, I believe some of the heroes with Creature specialty have it a bit different than the usual "Increases and Attack and Defense for each level beyond the xth level." For Example, Death Knight Lord Haart I think gives Black/Dread Knights more +5 Attack, + Defense, and +5 Damage. Flat out. Doesn't change with level.
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Muttley
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posted October 19, 2004 09:51 AM

Sorry for the missing info, I will retrieve them next week. If someone wants to know more about them, let me know.

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posted October 19, 2004 02:34 PM

Quote:

Gem/Sorceress/First Aid

In the AB editor there is a hero called Mutare Drake. She has different face(dragon) and biography than Mutare, but her skills are the same.



Isnīt Gem a Druid?

And Mutare transforms into Mutare Drake after drinking Vial of Dragon Blood in the campaign Dragonīs Blood.

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Muttley
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posted October 19, 2004 05:13 PM
Edited By: Muttley on 19 Oct 2004

Quote:
Isnīt Gem a Druid?

And Mutare transforms into Mutare Drake after drinking Vial of Dragon Blood in the campaign Dragonīs Blood.


Yes, in original, Gem is a Druid. But SoD happens before RoE, and in the campaign New Beginning Gem has just arrived from Enroth. If you played Heroes2, you can remember, that Gem is a Sorceress in it. That's why in the campaign New Beginning she is a Sorceress yet. Later in SoD she is already a druid. The primary skills of the Sorceress Gem are the same as the Druid Gem.
Related to Mutare you are absolutly right. But during the game and after the transformation Mutare's biography doesn't change, while Mutare Drake from the editor has her own biography. That's why I thought, I had to mention it.
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posted October 19, 2004 07:42 PM

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Yes, in original, Gem is a Druid. But SoD happens before RoE, and in the campaign New Beginning Gem has just arrived from Enroth. If you played Heroes2, you can remember, that Gem is a Sorceress in it. That's why in the campaign New Beginning she is a Sorceress yet. Later in SoD she is already a druid. The primary skills of the Sorceress Gem are the same as the Druid Gem.
Related to Mutare you are absolutly right. But during the game and after the transformation Mutare's biography doesn't change, while Mutare Drake from the editor has her own biography. That's why I thought, I had to mention it.


OK, thanks for the info.

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Muttley
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posted October 20, 2004 08:26 AM

Quote:
OK, thanks for the info.


You are welcome.
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posted October 26, 2004 10:50 AM

O.K., I remedied the missing infos about the specialties. Hope you are satisfied.
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posted December 31, 2004 01:08 AM

This is a great resource Thread!

I would like to see Muttley get a QP for creating this awesome & very helpful list, even though it is a few months old, it is still good stuff!

Muttley, I don't know if you're still around, but do you think you'd be able to update this list with the various Heroes' "Starting Skills"? Please!!!
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Muttley
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posted January 04, 2005 03:57 PM

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Muttley, I don't know if you're still around, but do you think you'd be able to update this list with the various Heroes' "Starting Skills"? Please!!!


Yes, I am here, and I can do that in few days. (I have to get the infos from my computer, because I have internet connection only at the university I study at.)
I think you mean the secondary skill they start with. I think I will give the starting spells too. There aren't many of them who has it.

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posted January 04, 2005 08:22 PM

That is even more than I asked for!!!

Muttley, if you add both the "Starting Secondary Skills" (i.e. Archery, Tactics, Wisdom, etc.) and the "Starting Spells" of each hero on your list, you will definitely have deserved a QP and Angelito will not be able to deny you one...in my opinion, of course.

I look forward to seeing this list completed!
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Muttley
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posted January 07, 2005 01:46 PM
Edited By: Muttley on 7 Jan 2005

Quote:

I look forward to seeing this list completed!


It is done. I am glad to have someone, who are interested in this topic too. I have seen special heroes on many homepages, but those lists were always defective (they hadn't got Ordwald, Finneas, Slash, etc.), so I decided to make a complete list. Enjoy it!

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posted January 07, 2005 04:26 PM

Whew

Pretty soon there won't be anything left from Heroes 3 to gain QP's. (jest)

I ought to think of something soon.

-guitarguy
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posted January 12, 2005 06:24 AM

This is awesome!

Great work Muttley! This list is sweet.

I wonder if there is a list like this somewhere with all of the regular Heroes in it? Has anyone seen something like that around anywhere? Or...maybe you would like to expand your list, eh Muttley?!
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posted January 12, 2005 11:04 AM

Regular heroes are in the manual.
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Muttley
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posted January 14, 2005 07:15 PM
Edited By: Muttley on 14 Jan 2005

lord_Woock is right, and there are many lists about the regular heroes. Everybody can make such a list using the editor, so I cannot see any challenge in typing these infos. Csarmi made quite a good list in the thread: heroes, starting spells, skills, etc.

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posted January 16, 2005 08:13 PM

Thanks for the link.

I don't have the Manual, so I can't look up the regular Heroes...so thank you very much for the link!

All of this great info might not help me win more often, because I suck at HoMM3, but at least I'll have a better idea of what I am doing while I'm getting my butt kicked!
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posted January 16, 2005 08:54 PM

Actually, if you have Heroes 3 installed, then you do have the manual. It's in pdf format in your game directory
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posted January 16, 2005 09:24 PM

A Caveat

You might wanna be careful with the PDF though, some of the info in the printed manual is wrong, so unless 3DO made some errata changes to the PDF with the patches, the PDF may have the incorrect information as well.
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