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JollyJoker
JollyJoker


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posted July 18, 2011 10:58 AM

It's pointless anyway.

For Elodin certain things are not subject of questioning anymore, but absolutely true.
Consequently everything else either supports this or is somehow wrong, either an error or a deliberate attempt to obscure the truth.

Since his is not the scientific way, that will look at the evidence and adjust the theory accordingly, but exactly the opposite - look at the theory and adjust the evidence accordingly -, all "discussion" is pointless.

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Corribus
Corribus

Hero of Order
The Abyss Staring Back at You
posted July 18, 2011 01:22 PM

Guys, this is the FEEDBACK THREAD.

It's pretty clear that Elodin's not fooling anyone with his links to nowhere.  That said, posting links is not against the rules unless their intent is to merely troll or derail the discussion.  Clearly Elodin is not just posting them to ruffle feathers or cause a nuisance - he believes they're supportive of his arguments.  While I don't think it's necessary or advisable to just cut and paste the entire content of a external link and call it an argument, what he's doing in this case is not IMO against the Code of Content.  To people who don't like this style of posting, I simply advise you to ignore him.

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del_diablo
del_diablo


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Manifest
posted July 18, 2011 04:33 PM

1. Trolling is against the rules
2.  Ignorance to the point of trolling is still trolling
3. Troll posts should be removed
4. Hence enough ignorance means that posts should be removed

And there I was, presenting my flawless logic to HC, hoping for sanity.
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DagothGares
DagothGares


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No gods or kings
posted July 18, 2011 04:41 PM
Edited by DagothGares at 16:41, 18 Jul 2011.

I've tried to get him lynched myself, diablo, it's futile, just ignore him, as corribus says, maybe he'll find something worthwhile to do with his life and we can all have fun discussions about religion again.

(as if that ever was the case)

Nothing against elodin, it's just that all threads centre around him at page two and it never stops and I'd like to discuss something other than elodin's belief systems, you know?

Besides, banning (or penalising, whatever) someone for not responding to all his hate mail (because that's how he sees it, like it or not) is a laughable measure and in such a case we should just throw him out, because he's the anti-fun.

He is, that's a fact and not a slam on elodin.
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Doomforge
Doomforge

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Mayhem Elemental
posted July 18, 2011 05:27 PM

Guys, Elodin is not breaking any rules and you can't ban a guy just because what he writes annoys you.

Do what Cor says and ignore his posts if they annoy you that bad.

Unless Elodin breaks CoC, he shouldn't get penalized or banned. Trolling is a wide term, but believing in something either unpopular or unusual is NOT trolling, period.
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Zenofex
Zenofex


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Kreegan-atheist
posted July 18, 2011 05:31 PM
Edited by Zenofex at 17:38, 18 Jul 2011.

Still, blocking a discussion with a wall of text which the author of the respective post neither understands, nor has even tried to understand and then accusing everybody (and that's indeed everybody in this case, I haven't seen such a big opposition against a single user anywhere else) who is trying to explain him that he is wrong or even may be wrong of lies (which IS offensive at least for me, very few people have ever accused me of lying and never about something serious), forgeries, brainwashing or whatnot like he has privileged access to The Divine Truth is, at the very least, nerve-trying. It is hard to ignore several consecutive posts which take two-three times as much space as all other posts on the same page combined.

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mvassilev
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posted July 18, 2011 05:55 PM

Quote:
Guys, Elodin is not breaking any rules and you can't ban a guy just because what he writes annoys you.
A sensible suggestion in OSM feedback? It must be purged.
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Salamandre
Salamandre


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posted July 18, 2011 06:14 PM

Quote:
just ignore him, as corribus says,


Heh, their early discussion on evolution matters proves that even Corribus is not able to follow his own advice.
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Elodin
Elodin


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posted July 18, 2011 06:20 PM
Edited by Elodin at 18:22, 18 Jul 2011.

Everything I post is ON TOPIC and relevant to the discussion. I actually back up my comments with articles rather than just posting a slew of attacks about how evil religion is and how Christians and Jews suck and stole from other religions.

Responding to false statements about Jews and Christians is not trolling. Continually making false statements about Jews and Chrsitians is probably considered racism under the COC but we know that ain't going to be enforced.
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Corribus
Corribus

Hero of Order
The Abyss Staring Back at You
posted July 18, 2011 06:24 PM

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Heh, their early discussion on evolution matters proves that even Corribus is not able to follow his own advice.

Read my advice again.

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JollyJoker
JollyJoker


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posted July 18, 2011 06:38 PM

You mean, you like his posting style?

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Salamandre
Salamandre


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posted July 18, 2011 06:40 PM

Yep, that I was also thinking
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Corribus
Corribus

Hero of Order
The Abyss Staring Back at You
posted July 18, 2011 06:50 PM

I.e., this aspect of Elodin's posting style doesn't really bother me, at least in relative terms.  

And in any case you don't see me replying to any of those long quotations of his, do you?

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del_diablo
del_diablo


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Manifest
posted July 18, 2011 09:12 PM

Quote:
Everything I post is ON TOPIC and relevant to the discussion. I actually back up my comments with articles rather than just posting a slew of attacks about how evil religion is and how Christians and Jews suck and stole from other religions.

Responding to false statements about Jews and Christians is not trolling. Continually making false statements about Jews and Chrsitians is probably considered racism under the COC but we know that ain't going to be enforced.


Everything you post is what you think is true, EVEN IF it is proven to be wrong.
And hence: Trolling.
Even if you get some random article to state "lulz I am right", frankly the article is full of holes and bullsnow, or you do not even comprehend why the article proves you wrong.
This is not a silly "ontopic vs nontopic" thing, but rather "A is A" as a metaproblem.
As for you stating anything about the CoC?
You are basically saying: "Lol, law, look it it! I AM INNOCENT!", even if you completely and utterly fail to adress what is actually being said.
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Shyranis
Shyranis

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posted July 18, 2011 09:21 PM
Edited by Shyranis at 21:22, 18 Jul 2011.

Everybody has a right to respectful conversation.

We can attempt to point out flaws in another's arguement, we can can certainly address the person speaking. However, we must remain respectful even to those with whom we disagree. That goes for everybody bar none.

As long as we're not calling each other names or haphazardly attaching labels to more than a few people of this or that, we can have a respectful conversation that moved forward constructively.

I hope we can keep it at least leaning more in that direction.

Edit:

Basically, don't break the CoC. Treat others how you would want to be treated (unless you're some kind of masochist)

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blizzardboy
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Mr. Sandman
posted July 21, 2011 02:35 AM

From Corribus in the Responsible Posting thread:

Quote:
6. QP-worthy posts say positive things about other people and other posts.  This doesn’t have to be the land of Care Bears, but quality posts thrive in a positive atmosphere.


Oh but it can.

Oh... but it will.
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Corribus
Corribus

Hero of Order
The Abyss Staring Back at You
posted July 21, 2011 03:30 AM

Let it be known that the next time BlizzardBoy, a.k.a.



Funshine Bear

posts off-topic spam in the Feedback Thread, he will be eviscerated.  A.k.a. de-stuffing-ed.

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Tsar-Ivor
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posted July 21, 2011 11:48 AM
Edited by tsar-ivor at 14:42, 21 Jul 2011.

Quote:
Everything you post is what you think is true, EVEN IF it is proven to be wrong.



YOU mean you think you've proven it wrong .

I don't have any major issues with Elodin, but I tend to read every post in a topic before posting myself, though most people write walls of texts in the OSM when they feel the necessity, but when I read Elodins posts I'm reading someone else's ideals and not his, simply putting it all in your words allows myself and the rest to get to know you. (Every person has their own perspective and interpretation of everything, if this isn't the case with you then my apologies)

I'm simply saying it's too much and done too often, and not that it should be halted, It simply criples my ability to get to know you. It's my personal request do with it what you will .

Also, to be certain that this is on topic I wish to nominate myself for QP's for my extensive posts containing unconfirmed and scientifically & religiously scorned ideals. (not sure i'm allowed to nominate myself, also notice the plural on qp )
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Corribus
Corribus

Hero of Order
The Abyss Staring Back at You
posted July 21, 2011 01:44 PM

You are free to nominate yourself, but I'm free to ignore all self-nominations.
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Elodin
Elodin


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posted July 21, 2011 02:53 PM

Quote:


I don't have any major issues with Elodin, but I tend to read every post in a topic before posting myself, though most people write walls of texts in the OSM when they feel the necessity, but when I read Elodins posts I'm reading someone else's ideals and not his, simply putting it all in your words allows myself and the rest to get to know you. (Every person has their own perspective and interpretation of everything, if this isn't the case with you then my apologies)



No, you are reading my own words and sources that back up my claims.

Quite often someone makes a claim without ANY proof at all that is incorrect. Instead of for instance merely stating, "You are wrong, Jesus does not say to hate unbelievers" I quote the words of Jesus where he says to love everyone as yourself. I someone claims Judaism stole monotheism from ReligionX I show writings of Judaism that are a thousand years older than ReligionX for instance to counter the claim.

People should be encouraged to do research into the topic of discussion rather than just making claims in a topic. If someone is not interested in both sides of the issue or not interested in reading references that elaborate on the issues he can just skip my posts.

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