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artu
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posted May 20, 2013 04:37 AM

I see in mod log I'm failing math thread got deleted, wasnt that the one that turned into a debate about different types of knowledge and stuff? It was not trash material in my opinion. Too late now?

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posted May 20, 2013 04:46 AM

Too late now.  VW threads get deleted routinely after ~ 30 days.  If you felt the thread deserved to be moved to OSM, you should have spoken up earlier.

Live and learn!

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posted May 22, 2013 12:58 AM
Edited by Hobbit at 01:04, 22 May 2013.

Elodin, his post in Questions about religion, page 61:

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Man can chose to obey God or to be a rebel and live like an idiot.

I'm not really offended since it was pure nonsense, but I think it was supposed to be offensive. Is it allowed here?
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posted May 22, 2013 01:22 AM

1). I don't know - hard say, but doomsday.
2). Always Pentecostalist say just so..

But I say unto you, That whosoever is angry with his brother without a cause shall be in danger of the judgment: and whosoever shall say to his brother, Raca, shall be in danger of the council: but whosoever shall say, Thou fool, shall be in danger of hell fire. - Matthew 5:22

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posted May 22, 2013 01:56 AM
Edited by Elodin at 01:56, 22 May 2013.

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Elodin, his post in Questions about religion, page 61:

Quote:
Man can chose to obey God or to be a rebel and live like an idiot.

I'm not really offended since it was pure nonsense, but I think it was supposed to be offensive. Is it allowed here?


I insulted no one. Here is what I responded to and what I said.

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Zenofex
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   Well, it's pretty much like this - nothing can happen without God (if something can happen without God, then God is limited); if something happens, then God allows it to happen; given that God does not prevent something from happening even though he has the power to do so (because his power is unlimited,  as is he), then he approves of it for one reason or another.



Elodin:
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Poppycock. God does not have to direct every raindrop in order to be all-powerful. His creation has natural and moral laws. Violating either means there are natural consequences.

God made man as a free moral agent. Man can chose to obey God or to be a rebel and live like an idiot. God said, "Thou shalt not murder." If someone goes out and kills he is acting against God's will. God not controlling everyone's every step does not make him not all-powerful.


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posted May 22, 2013 01:57 AM

I have closed the religion thread temporarily while the mod squad chews on it.
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posted May 22, 2013 05:41 AM

While the mod squad chews on what the Hobbit submitted. Perhaps it would like to chew on some things he has said. Here are a couple of fairly provocative recent statements by atheists in the thread.


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But in today's world we rationally hospitalize people who say they carry the message of God or hear voices, so they can't turn into legends over time.



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Of course he hasn't, philosophy and pretty much everything which does not include "God" at least 5 times per paragraph is banned in Texas. Thou art suggesting that Elodin may be reading some commie liberal loony texts against the law of the land?




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So why the hell is it called the Holy Bible when it's actually NOT holy?!

Uh... Maybe I just seek too much logic in the religion...


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Hobbit
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posted May 22, 2013 07:22 AM

@Elodin, only one of these quotes is mine (the last one), so maybe you should point out the authors? Besides, I can only apologise for the first one, which was below some level, though none of them used any kind of invectives. And I really wouldn't want to compare having no logic with living as an idiot...
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posted May 22, 2013 07:53 AM
Edited by Elodin at 07:54, 22 May 2013.

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@Elodin, only one of these quotes is mine (the last one), so maybe you should point out the authors? Besides, I can only apologise for the first one, which was below some level, though none of them used any kind of invectives. And I really wouldn't want to compare having no logic with living as an idiot...


I frankly could care less what you say about me, God, Christianity or religion in general as long as you don't cry to a moderator when I critique beliefs you hold. Of course it is always nice when outright lies are not told.

Yeah, only one of the comments I quoted was yours, I just quickly pulled a few from the thread. I could quote many, many more and many you have said.

My statement was describing free will, not insulting anyone.
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artu
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posted May 22, 2013 09:03 AM

What's your problem with this?

Quote:
But in today's world we rationally hospitalize people who say they carry the message of God or hear voices, so they can't turn into legends over time.


If someone claims he is literally talking to God, he is considered a mental patient. This is the world as it is today, just visit the institutions if you don't believe me. They don't also turn into legends like in the past, where there are thousands of alleged prophets. Do you seriously suppose none of them had any mental problems and all of them were visited by God, when today everyone who claims the same are diagnosed as mentally sick or is this another thing you fabricate with zero shame like a Godless universe contradicting with known science and observations, when in real world almost all respected scientists say otherwise.

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posted May 22, 2013 09:36 AM

Quote:
What's your problem with this?

Quote:
But in today's world we rationally hospitalize people who say they carry the message of God or hear voices, so they can't turn into legends over time.


If someone claims he is literally talking to God, he is considered a mental patient. This is the world as it is today, just visit the institutions if you don't believe me. They don't also turn into legends like in the past, where there are thousands of alleged prophets. Do you seriously suppose none of them had any mental problems and all of them were visited by God, when today everyone who claims the same are diagnosed as mentally sick or is this another thing you fabricate with zero shame like a Godless universe contradicting with known science and observations, when in real world almost all respected scientists say otherwise.


Your stance is merely a typical anti-theist stance that assumes materialism is all there is and judges everything accordingly. But this is not the place to debate that.

My few examples were just showing some of the ways atheists constantly slander religion and religious people while periodically mounting crusades to silence any critique of their own ideas.

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artu
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My BS sensor is tingling again
posted May 22, 2013 09:41 AM

I never asked for anybody to be silenced or any post to be deleted even if I thought it was offensive. I don't do that, I don't need to do that.

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posted May 22, 2013 11:53 AM

What I don't think you realize is that a user can identify himself or someone close to him with your statement. In which case it comes off as very offensive.

When talking about people it gets very easy to offend someone, despite it not being intended.
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artu
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posted May 22, 2013 12:24 PM
Edited by artu at 16:48, 22 May 2013.

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What I don't think you realize is that a user can identify himself or someone close to him with your statement. In which case it comes off as very offensive.

When talking about people it gets very easy to offend someone, despite it not being intended.


Well, there's no end to that. In her late forties, my mother had an abortion. Elodin calls people who have abortion murderers, should I take it personal? Anyway, in fairness, it was not him who first asked for mod intervention, he was replying to Zenofex. And Zenofex too, can use quite an aggressive language. To be offended by the word idiocy is not very consistent of him. I don't mind that stuff, when ideas clash sometimes there is heat, I'm used to it.

Edit: Sorry, turns out although he was replying to Zenofex, it was Hobbit who brought this up.

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posted May 22, 2013 02:12 PM

That's enough.  The mods certainly don't need your help determining what is an insult and what isn't, Elodin.  

@fred

Watch the attitude.  I'll move threads as I see fit.  And if you want explanations of why I do what I do, you can ask me with a little respect.  Then I'll happily give you an explanation.
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posted May 22, 2013 04:13 PM

Guys, I just wanted to know if it's ok to call someone an idiot just because he's an atheist. I wasn't offended, though I wanted to make clear what mods think about where is the line between discussion and pure invectives.

Whatever mods say, I won't discuss it.
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posted May 22, 2013 05:17 PM

it depends on how you say it really. if it's like "YOU ARE AN IDIOT " then it counts as a personal attack, but if it's like "if you really believe that, you're an idiot" i don't think it is (or at least, it shouldn't be :-/)
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posted May 22, 2013 05:19 PM

Nah, neither way on a forum is perceived as a good thing to say. I mean, obviously when you're in person and you say "oh you bloody idiot" with a laugh then it will be perceived differently because they can see you. Nothing like that will go down well on a forum because it's text and there's little to no emotion in that precise sentence.

Also, do you really need to say that? Can you not think of another word in a language which has hundreds of thousands of words?
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posted May 22, 2013 05:41 PM
Edited by Elodin at 17:46, 22 May 2013.

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Guys, I just wanted to know if it's ok to call someone an idiot just because he's an atheist. I wasn't offended, though I wanted to make clear what mods think about where is the line between discussion and pure invectives.

Whatever mods say, I won't discuss it.


I did not call you an idiot, Hobbit. My post was directed to Zen and was not calling him an idiot either. I said God does not control every drop of rain that falls or every step of a man and that does not mean God is "not all powerful" because he chooses to give free will to man. Man is free to live like an idiot and it is not God's fault. God has told us how he wants us to live but won't force us to live that way.

Now, I don't see how you interpret that as me calling you or anyone else an idiot.

quote:
Quote:

Zenofex

   quote:
      Well, it's pretty much like this - nothing can happen without God (if something can happen without God, then God is limited); if something happens, then God allows it to happen; given that God does not prevent something from happening even though he has the power to do so (because his power is unlimited,  as is he), then he approves of it for one reason or another.



Elodin:

   quote:
   Poppycock. God does not have to direct every raindrop in order to be all-powerful. His creation has natural and moral laws. Violating either means there are natural consequences.

   God made man as a free moral agent. Man can chose to obey God or to be a rebel and live like an idiot. God said, "Thou shalt not murder." If someone goes out and kills he is acting against God's will. God not controlling everyone's every step does not make him not all-powerful.


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william
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posted May 22, 2013 05:43 PM

Quote:


Of course it is always nice when outright lies are not told.



Mate, that is all you seem to bloody do. I think this thread alone has more posts in it by you than anybody else.
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