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Elodin
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posted May 22, 2013 05:50 PM

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Of course it is always nice when outright lies are not told.



Mate, that is all you seem to bloody do. I think this thread alone has more posts in it by you than anybody else.


I don't post lies about anyone. Produce a quote of me lying about somebody. I can produce tons of quotes of lies about me and instults thrown at me and tons of quotes about negative thing said about religion.

I just don't come posting them here trying to get people banned.

There is a little group of people hostile to religion who like to cry if anything negative is said about atheism all the while they are constantly trashing religion and insulting me personally. Those of the folks posting complaints.
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posted May 22, 2013 05:54 PM

Sorry, I didn't quote the whole bit:

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I frankly could care less what you say about me, God, Christianity or religion in general as long as you don't cry to a moderator when I critique beliefs you hold. Of course it is always nice when outright lies are not told.



My post was more directed at the crying to moderators bit because that is all you do.

I also think you calling everybody a bloody anti-theist or whatever you like to say is one of the more childish things I've ever had the displeasure of reading.
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posted May 22, 2013 05:58 PM

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Now, I don't see how you interpret that as me calling you or anyone else an idiot.

That's pretty easy to interpret in that way - if you're saying that not obeying God is living like an idiot, then you're saying that all atheists and most non-Christians live like an idiot.

Now, would it be offensive if I said that believing in God is living like an idiot? I'm not really sure about that and that's why I'm asking here about it.

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I just don't come posting them here trying to get people banned.

Nobody but you is trying to get yourself banned by suggesting it.
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Elodin
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posted May 22, 2013 06:00 PM

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Sorry, I didn't quote the whole bit:

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I frankly could care less what you say about me, God, Christianity or religion in general as long as you don't cry to a moderator when I critique beliefs you hold. Of course it is always nice when outright lies are not told.



My post was more directed at the crying to moderators bit because that is all you do.



How exactly am I always crying to moderators?  I don't complain about all the trashing of religion or insults about me until a crusade is launched against me. And if you read what Hobbit is complaining about I am in no way insulting him.
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william
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posted May 22, 2013 06:08 PM

Nobody has crusades against you. It's just that people disagree with you and you go overboard and that is when people complain and all for legitimate reasons really. I've seen you post more in this thread than anybody else.
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Elodin
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posted May 22, 2013 06:22 PM

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Nobody has crusades against you. It's just that people disagree with you and you go overboard and that is when people complain and all for legitimate reasons really. I've seen you post more in this thread than anybody else.


Not complaining about others insulting me. I post here when I am forced to defend myself or have a comment about someone's complaint about someone else.
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Hobbit
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posted May 22, 2013 06:26 PM

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Not complaining about others insulting me.

Nobody is complaining about anyone insulting anyone else. But you're complaining about anything someone says about you here.
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posted May 22, 2013 06:26 PM

Why do you even feel the need to defend yourself? Isn't it better to just not respond at all? Obviously responding to moderators is fine but if you want to post the way you do then that's up to you whether people will disagree with it or not. You shouldn't feel the need to defend yourself. Just do what you do (within reason of course).
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artu
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posted May 22, 2013 10:07 PM

Fred, mod's aren't singling you out, that's all in your head. The irony is, because of this anxiety, you will really start to be singled out soon cause you get in personal fights with them all the time. The asteroid thread's content could have gone both ways, it went VW: Everybody kidding around and putting in one-liners... If it was to be treated as an OSM thread, then 70 percent of its content would have been deleted as off-topic or jerking around, instead it's in the VW which I personally think is better.

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artu
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posted May 23, 2013 12:04 AM

So now we're involved in the conspiracy too...

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artu
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posted May 23, 2013 12:41 AM

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i don't know what's with you guys, maybe you need this place, and do what you can to secure your positions here.


I can only describe this as conspiracy. Like everyone is against you for some unknown reason... Anyway Fred, I was just recommending to take it easy and stop seeing yourself as the victim all the time while constantly bragging about how you don't really care. I really don't care that much, I thought letting this go would be good for you, that's all.

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Salamandre
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posted May 23, 2013 12:43 AM

Or maybe is time for you for once to become less self centered and just make your business quietly because nobody cares. Since you joined you keep accusing people around of mistreating you, then you polluted that last sane wog forum by your unfounded allegations and then your up-down childish moods.  
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Hobbit
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posted May 23, 2013 12:46 PM

Did you know that when you scream "Leave me alone" out of sudden, people follow you more? It's because they're curious.
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Corribus
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posted May 24, 2013 04:23 AM

OSMers,

The Mod Squad has carefully considered the recent complaint by Hobbit about the posting style of Elodin in OSM threads.  In fact we took several days to do this to make sure everyone had a say.  Our decision has been to issue Elodin a warning via HCM about his recent posting style.  We sincerely hope he will take it to heart, because we all feel he offers an important perspective on many topics which is invaluable to the health of this "real life issues" forum, and if he posted in a more positive, constructive manner he could be a real asset to this place.  If he doesn't take it to heart, he will continue to be a source of malcontent here and, well... next time there will probably be more than a gentle letter as consequence.

HOWEVER.

Before the rest of you gloat over this, know that the contents of the letter we wrote to him apply to everyone.  The Mods view consistently belittling language to be against the spirit of the code of conduct, and there has been far too much of it lately.  Calling other peoples' beliefs idiotic, stupid, inane, retarded, or whatever is just as much an insult in my view as calling someone a snowhead and flipping them the bird.  This kind of behavior creates a toxic atmosphere that inevitably escalates toward shouting, cursing and - most important - driving away people who may have an interest in joining the discussions here.  I have silenced or issued warnings to at least six people in the last month for clear violations of the code of conduct in the OSM alone, and this is far too many.  I want you to know that these conservative approaches to moderation will soon stop. I try my best to NOT burden people for all eternity with negative star penalties, and I can probably count on one hand the number I've given out to people who aren't multiple-account violators, but I will start to hand them out if that is what it takes to enforce order and decorum around here.

Now that that is said, I will reopen the religion thread and pray you can all resume some intelligent, enlightening discussion there.  I know it is possible, because you guys have brilliant, engaging discussion when you put your minds to it.  (Never mind that you can also drive me to the virtual precipice of insanity when the collective mood strikes...) So let's leave the pissing contests behind us and show why HoMM fans are the best fans on the internet, OK?
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Elodin
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posted May 24, 2013 04:40 AM
Edited by Elodin at 05:01, 24 May 2013.

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The Mod-Squad has considered the recent complaint about you in the religion thread for some time and it is our conclusion that you have a long history of toeing the line that separates aggressive posting from outright insulting of other members.  Your continued use of incendiary, sarcastic or belittling language to refer to posts of other members or to generalize categories to which HC members identify themselves has not gone unnoticed.



The way religion is treated by those hostile to it has seemed to go unnoticed or is religion the "unprotected" category to which HC members identify themselves and atheism the "protected" category?

Just so we are clear, no negative phrasing can be used to describe any religion or atheism or liberalism or conservationism, is that correct?


My feedback:

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We recognize that the way you are likely to react is to protest that you are not being equally treated to other HC members.



Indeed, I am being treated quite unfairly. I am tempted to take some of my precious time to show quite a few direct personal insults directed towards me. And to show religious people constantly being called delusional and other belittling terms, including posts by moderators.

However, I don't believe that such presenting of evidence would matter one little bit. Not at all. After all, I presented a few quotes of others after Hobbit complained about my post, that showed direct personal insults and belittlement of religious people and no comment was made about them. And moderation often belittles religion as well.

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Moreover, we remind you that regardless of the behavior of other members (or the way they are disciplined), you are bound to follow the code of conduct if you want to continue to post here.  How other members behave has no relationship to how you are supposed to behave: being insulted does not give you license to insult back.  



However, fair is fair. And allowing others to constantly trash me and religion and then warning me for comments that are quite mild compared to the posting of members who are hostile to religion is quite unfair.


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Examples include calling opinions of other members "idiotic", "inane", "poppycock" and so forth in many posts you write in the OSM.



OK, I'll not apply any sort of negative adjective describing anyone's ideas. But the first time any negative adjective/phrasing is applied to my ideas or religion being called delusional, irratinoal, ect, I'll come here "crying" and judging on the past responses of moderation I'll be told to "shut up."

I'll try to "improve" my posting style by taking out adjectives that would describe any viewpoint or idea in a negative way and I expect moderation to improve their moderation and to be fair to everyone and apply the exact same standards to everyone.


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Understand that we will be watching your posting behavior carefully and any continued use of belittling, insulting language will result in silencing or penalizations without more warning.  If you feel that your treatment in this regard is unfair, you are welcome to appeal to the system administrator (Valeriy) and explain to him why you don't think your use of words like "idiotic", "inane" and "poppycock" to describe other members or their beliefs is against the code of conduct.  



Perhaps I will appeal to Val at a future date if moderation proves to be unfair in moderation in applying the same standards to all.
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artu
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My BS sensor is tingling again
posted May 24, 2013 05:35 AM
Edited by artu at 05:36, 24 May 2013.

@Elodin

I want to start by saying these are my personal opinions on the matter and has nothing to the with the mods letter.

Calling religion delusional is not an insult. You talk of materialism as a bad thing and as a form of deception all the time. It is so natural to you (and culturally in general), you don't even see it as slandering. And neither do I, I think, it's an expression of opinion. However, religious people have a double standard on this, while a liberal calling a Marxist delusional is all fine to them, when it comes to religion, it suddenly becomes slandering because religion is sacred.

When it comes to everybody attacking YOU, that's a different story. First of all, the question I would ask myself would have been why does EVERYBODY do this? You managed to drive almost everyone crazy at some point, who under normal circumstances has the habit of debating things in quite a civil manner. The reason for this is not your opinions or sarcasm or your poppycock's. A debate is a process in which people make points; you can agree, disagree and elaborate why you do, disagree and confute... You do none of these things, instead you read only what you want to read and ignore the real content like a wall, then give the same answer as if none of the points against it has been made. That is disregarding the very existence of that person's explanation and that's cheating (unsuccessfully I might add). The latest example is the thread on evolution, it has been explained four times in a row, with very clear emphasizes that the FACT of evolution and theory of evolution are two different things and theories are not supposed to be proven. Natural selection is the theory based on the fact of evolution. Now, after all this had been explained beyond any doubt of misunderstanding, someone writes "natural selection hasn't been proven, neither any other scientific theory." Your answer is "there's no need to be upset. We just agreed on something. Evolution has not been proved." That is the point where people get mad (if they're not already used to you, if they are, they only get mad when this goes on and on and on). I don't know if this is something you do intentionally as some sort of a "tactic" or if it's selective perception, a psychological flaw. But we are not morons, so we're not buying it. You, insisting on doing this sort of thing all the time and later playing the victim when it drives people crazy is the heart of the issue, if you ask me.

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posted May 24, 2013 05:47 AM
Edited by Corribus at 05:48, 24 May 2013.

I want to remind everyone that the feedback thread is not a place to continue discussions happening in other threads.  If you want to discuss the merits of arguments happening in other threads, please do it in those threads.  

Furthermore, this is not intended to be a venue for members to argue about the posting quality of other members.  If you want to offer specific feedback on the disciplinary decision(s) of the moderators - support or dissent - do so.  If you want to recommend certain posts for awards, do so.  If you want to "flag" posts that in your view breach the code of conduct, do so (although frankly I'd prefer you did this by HCM, because almost inevitably it turns into the aforementioned arguments over posting quality).  If you want to ask questions about what is or is not allowed with respect to the Code of Conduct, do so.

But I won't have this turn into another six page contest waged over what kind of poster Elodin is.  The moderators have made their decision about Elodin's recent posts.  Elodin had a chance to respond.  Let's leave it at that.
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posted May 24, 2013 05:48 AM

Hey Elodin, after reading your post I think you missed something. Namely Cor's entire post... specifically this sentence:

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Before the rest of you gloat over this, know that the contents of the letter we wrote to him apply to everyone.

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Elodin
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posted May 24, 2013 05:55 AM
Edited by Elodin at 06:00, 24 May 2013.

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Hey Elodin, after reading your post I think you missed something. Namely Cor's entire post... specifically this sentence:

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Before the rest of you gloat over this, know that the contents of the letter we wrote to him apply to everyone.



He did not post the HM he sent me so how could anyone know its contents?  Here is the HM in its entirety. And I will be complaining if others are allowed to continue posting the way they have been posting.

According to my understanding anything stronger than,"I disagree with your position," "I disagree with conservative philosophy because" will be grounds for discipline. Statements like religion was made up by man (which clearly is an offensive statements to religious people), religion is delusion, atheism is irrational, ect seem to certainly be disallowed. At this point I'm not even clear it it is ok to say, "Murder is immoral."

Perhaps moderation can clarify that if that is not the case.

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Elodin,

The Mod-Squad has considered the recent complaint about you in the religion thread for some time and it is our conclusion that you have a long history of toeing the line that separates aggressive posting from outright insulting of other members.  Your continued use of incendiary, sarcastic or belittling language to refer to posts of other members or to generalize categories to which HC members identify themselves has not gone unnoticed.  Examples include calling opinions of other members "idiotic", "inane", "poppycock" and so forth in many posts you write in the OSM.  You continue to do this despite many communications from moderators that have asked you to set an example for other members and conduct yourself with maturity and dignity.  Therefore, the Mod-Squad feels that it is time to issue you a warning about this behavior and to tell you that further use of language like this will not be tolerated, as it is judged by all of us to be against the code of conduct.  

We are giving you this direct communication rather than simply penalizing or silencing you in the hope that you will take it to heart and improve your posting behavior.  You offer a unique and important perspective on many topics and could be a valuable asset to the community, but instead your posts consistently irritate other members and disrupt the harmony of the forum.  If you are looking for inspiration about how you should post, we encourage you to take a look at the way markkur conducts himself on the forums, as he is also a devout Christian but manages to post his opinion politely and maturely on every occasion, even though his beliefs are very different from the opinions of most outspoken OSM members, and you will see that the community responds to him in like kind.  You will never see him calling other posts "inane" or "stupid" and he also doesn't call other posters "liars", even when he disagrees with them.  He holds himself to a higher standard of etiquette that you would do well to follow.

We recognize that the way you are likely to react is to protest that you are not being equally treated to other HC members.  This is completely untrue.  Several other posters in the OSM have received warnings (and silencings) within the last few weeks for similar insulting behavior - at least one of them for insulting you - and they come from all different belief backgrounds.  The Mod Squad itself also includes people of all religious persuasions, and our decision to issue you this warning has been unanimous and is no way based on the nature of your beliefs - only the way you express them.  Moreover, we remind you that regardless of the behavior of other members (or the way they are disciplined), you are bound to follow the code of conduct if you want to continue to post here.  How other members behave has no relationship to how you are supposed to behave: being insulted does not give you license to insult back.  

Understand that we will be watching your posting behavior carefully and any continued use of belittling, insulting language will result in silencing or penalizations without more warning.  If you feel that your treatment in this regard is unfair, you are welcome to appeal to the system administrator (Valeriy) and explain to him why you don't think your use of words like "idiotic", "inane" and "poppycock" to describe other members or their beliefs is against the code of conduct.  You may also reply to this message to me or one of the other mods and it will be shared with the rest of the Squad for consideration.

Yours,
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posted May 24, 2013 06:06 AM

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According to my understanding anything stronger than,"I disagree with your position," "I disagree with conservative philosophy because" will be grounds for discipline. Statements like religion was made up by man (which clearly is an offensive statements to religious people), religion is delusion, atheism is irrational, ect seem to certainly be disallowed. At this point I'm not even clear it it is ok to say, "Murder is immoral."

Not this, Elodin, but things like: Atheists are delusional, homosexuals are sinners, religious people are fanatically delusional, etc, etc. It's direct insults to the people, not the institutions, that will not be tolerated. You do see the difference, correct?
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