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Elodin
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Free Thinker
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posted May 11, 2009 10:28 PM |
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Elodin, play nice or else
You may recall that I said before I would prefer to play nice but would play how other were playing. If a person insults others and makes derogatory comments they should not cry when someone does not speak nice to them.
Evidently though I alone can't insult others because I have been insulted by a number of people without anyone else being warned.
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Fanatic isn't a bad word. you are one, since you keep shouting one opinion and take a lot of people on as an enemy... Like a dogmatic fanatic. Not insult, fact
Yeah right. I used historical facts and talked to others as they were speaking themselves. Don't call someone a fanatic because they don't agree with you or because they won't tuck their tail between their legs and cower when facing multiple "opponents."
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Mytical
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Chaos seeking Harmony
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posted May 11, 2009 10:33 PM |
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You are assuming the warning was only meant for your Elodin. The warning was for everybody who has been insulting the other posters.
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DagothGares
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No gods or kings
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posted May 11, 2009 10:35 PM |
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I'm calling you a fanatic, because I see you post aggressively, compare members to murderers and don't address the topic. you're only interested in bashing atheists and crowning christianity as errmmm... 'pretty awesome and it's its right to be that way'.
You know what? I'll go play outside or chat with my girlfriend or eat some candy.
I'm sorry, if I offended you in any way, elodin, I had no harmful intent, I was only trying to point that sometimes you may be wrong.
You know I love you, right? All christians love eachother in the end 
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bort
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Supreme Hero
Discarded foreskin of morality
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posted May 11, 2009 11:07 PM |
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Good. Get lost. We don't need your kind here.
A last advice for everyone: beware of people who usurp the right to speak for everyone.
You only need 2 to make a we.
Or only 1 to make a royal we.
If it absolutely has to be 2 though, I hereby give Gootch the right to speak for me. Retroactively. Therefore, you do not need to beware of him because he has usurped no right. Huzzah!
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angelito
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proud father of a princess
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posted May 12, 2009 07:36 AM |
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The problem is, sometimes I assume too much "thinking" of specific members when I put on my [Mod hat] in such a "liberal" way like I did this time.
But again it seems it does not work this way, so ok, here it goes and I will make my decision more clear:
If I would have penalized Elodin for this sentence JJ was refering to, I would have been forced to penalize JJ as well.
JJ started the "provocation" ("People like you...") and Elodin felt insulted by his comment. Unfortunately no OSM Mod was present right at the time this post was made, so Elodin had "enough time" to reply in his own way. Expectedly in an insulting way (Maybe because the bible says: "An eye for an eye...!"?).
JJ complained without realizing he was the starter of this. And now we Mods should penalize Elodin and let JJ go away with this?
This wouldn't be fair for sure. Members often talk about favoritism. And we always try to show there is none. But when we try to act so no one is harmed, it isn't right either.
And there is no reason for Mytical to "apologize" in anyway. She did right and also explained it right.
And on a site note: If someone tells me : "People like you are the reason why Hitler killed millions of Jews!", I wouldn't feel offended in any way, but I would demand an explanation, because I totally miss the logic behind such a statement. If the explanation would insult me afterwards, I may act different. But this sentence alone won't do anything.
And as someone already stated before, we mods got called names many times the last year, don't worry. I myself got called "******* Nazi" via HCM, and I am still alive
I really would appreciate it, if we all could show a bit more maturity and don't act like we got deadly injured by posts like this. And if we could think about our own behaviour lateley, we wouldn't make a drama out of such unimportant things at all.
Thanks for listening
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Mytical
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Undefeatable Hero
Chaos seeking Harmony
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posted May 12, 2009 09:49 AM |
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JJ you are forgetting that there are a lot of insulting anti-religious posts as well. Everybody is entitled to their opinion about religion (and all other matters). If we silence one side, why should we not silence the other?
Religion has been called fairy tales, religious people are often derided as delusional or crazy. Should we go back and penalize everybody (pretty much) in the "I gave up believing in god" thread? No, we should not. Because people are entitled to believe what they want. So too is Elodin. The only objection I have to any of these post are the insults against each other. I don't care if Elodin believes that Giant Bunnies will turn us all into Carrots and devour us. He is entitled to his own opinion, and to argue his side of it.
What needs to stop is the insults, but people also have to have SOME leeway with that also. Not as much as we have been giving, but some. I want to post a quote here, and show you what I mean.
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Unfortunately, you have people like yourself, Mytical, who clearly have no grasp of the real shortfalls of the Big Bang theory (because they don't understand basic physics), and argue from an untenable platform of logical fallacies and simple ignorance
But I don't know why I waste my time. I tried to explain this before and you didn't listen then. Why would you listen now?
This was directed to me. I had two options here. Take it is as an insult, which I would have been in the right to do so, or realise that Corribus was trying to convey a difficult point and was frustrated. If somebody insults you, HCM them, and try to resolve it. If that doesn't work, get ahold of a Moderator. Just realise we will give warnings first, and try to get them to remove the insult. We try to make this a board where EVERYBODY is welcome, even those who we might not agree with.
I am somewhat in the middle regarding religion. I realise that some religions have been misused and twisted in the past, that no one religion has it right, but I respect the right of the people in them to believe whatever it is they want. So Elodin has a RIGHT to defend his religion just as zelously as some people attack it.
However..this is a Internet Forum. People may disagree, may not worship the way you worship, and do not have to obey the 'rules' your religion has either. As WE respect your right to believe as you want, respect OUR right to believe different. IF you can not respect OTHERS RIGHTS, I honestly don't care if you leave or not. We are open to all kinds, so we have to respect ALL KINDS. Now their are logical limits, and you know what they are, so please don't start THAT particular thing (ie child molestors, killers, etc).
I respect a few people on here, and JJ is one, but I don't let my personal opinions get in the way of my JOB. Also, just because I do not agree with somebody does not mean I will just slap penalties on them. I don't work that way. Lets move ON and work together to try to make things better. Or we can sit here banging our heads on the wall..it's really up to you all.
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Doomforge
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Retired Hero
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posted May 12, 2009 10:24 AM |
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JJ, you honestly don't think about quitting because of THAT?
Insults and unfriendly remarks fly on every forums under the sun, and HC is among the most friendly I've ever seen anyway.
Sorry but you're being totally oversensitive.
Leaving because Elodin didn't get a penalty is also bad, because.. he did get a warning, and penalties are in fact warnings, nothing else.. just more public and official, what else could be done? the mods could ban him, of course, but it would be too much for what he has done anyway.
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Mytical
Responsible
Undefeatable Hero
Chaos seeking Harmony
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posted May 12, 2009 10:29 AM |
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So, the Bang our heads on a wall option.
JJ, you are free to feel I am wrong about my decision, my stance, and even doubt my sanity. That is your right. Just as it is others right to believe as they want. Like it or not people are entitled to their opinion, regardless of if you agree with their opinion or not.
It is his OPINION that atheism is a religion. Right or wrong is a moot point. You can make your arguements to the contrary, and that would be your right. You don't have to agree with him. You can choose to just ignore his posts. You can argue with him till both of you are pink and purple pokadotted in the face. I WILL not silence one sides opinion without silencing the opposing opinion, because that is not right. People can not have it both ways, and have a double standard. Everybody has a right to believe what they wish. Even if that is that Atheism is a religion.
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Binabik
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posted May 12, 2009 10:32 AM |
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JJ, how about if you quit arguing in every single thread you post in? You don't know when to quit do you? You'll argue to the bitter end even beyond the point of when your arguments becomes totally absurd.
You said you were going to leave? That's the first good thing you've posted in, well forever.
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Mytical
Responsible
Undefeatable Hero
Chaos seeking Harmony
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posted May 12, 2009 11:30 AM |
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Edited by Mytical at 13:02, 12 May 2009.
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JJ there have been court decisions on abortion too, but the topic is still debated. What has it got to do with the price of rice in China? Saying somebody can not have an opinion about something because of a court ruling is not going to fly. At least not with me.
Edit : I am tired of arguing this ad nausium in the feedback thread.
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Azagal
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Smooth Snake
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posted May 12, 2009 12:47 PM |
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Just don't go JJ. I'll find you an extra source of breath to waste or something but don't go. Seriously. Please?
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Mytical
Responsible
Undefeatable Hero
Chaos seeking Harmony
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posted May 12, 2009 01:19 PM |
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Edited by Mytical at 13:27, 12 May 2009.
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One last try. Even though I have a feeling that this will never ever ever end.
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He can have his opinion allright, but he cannot claim that his opinion is PRIVILEDGED and PROTECTED because it is religious in nature.
It does not matter why he thinks his opinion is protected. It IS protected. Just as yours is.
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Legally this is pretty simple as well. Basically every constitution says that no one is to be disadvantaged because of their religion. This means and has meant that, say, a Muslim cannot be disadvantaged in comparison with a Christian BECAUSE of the fact that he is Muslim.
The same constitution that protects free speech..right? While we do have to limit some free speech because we do have preteens and try to have a place where everybody is welcome, this really is getting monotonous.
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But what about those who aren't member of ANY religion? Are they to be disadvantaged because of that? Think about it and think about the ramifications.
No, and nobody is trying to take away your right to your opinion either.
Sorry was cut off unexpectedly, so this is an EDIT:
The opinion is not the problem here, however. The insults are. Saying atheism is a religion is not an insult. It is an OPINION...
Now, care to hit that wall with your head again? I feel up to it..do you?
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Elvin
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Endless Revival
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posted May 12, 2009 01:49 PM |
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So this is why thinking too much is bad for one's self.
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Elvin
Admirable
Omnipresent Hero
Endless Revival
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posted May 12, 2009 02:20 PM |
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Edited by Elvin at 14:21, 12 May 2009.
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THIS IS SPARTAAA FEEDBAAACK!!
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Corribus
Hero of Order
The Abyss Staring Back at You
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posted May 12, 2009 03:03 PM |
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@Mytical
For the record I wasn't trying to insult you when I wrote that passage you quoted. But, I think you realize it.
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I'm sick of following my dreams. I'm just going to ask them where they're goin', and hook up with them later. -Mitch Hedberg
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mvassilev
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posted May 12, 2009 03:11 PM |
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If anything, Elodin should've gotten warned for repetitiveness rather than for any specific statement. He comes into every thread, and repeats what he said before, often word-for-word.
"Another Christian-bashing thread by members brainwashed by the atheist religion."
When you become so easy to parody, it's time to find a new hat.
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Aculias
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Undefeatable Hero
Pretty Boy Angel Sacraficer
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posted May 12, 2009 05:05 PM |
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I love how topics seem to always move into the feedback threads lol.
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Geny
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Undefeatable Hero
What if Elvin was female?
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posted May 12, 2009 08:19 PM |
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Ok, I'm in danger of putting myself in the line of fire by going off-topic, but I just have to say it:
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And there is no reason for Mytical to "apologize" in anyway. She did right and also explained it right.
Even I found the strength to move on.
(Again, sorry for the Off topic, but I'm really proud of my accomplishment)
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Mytical
Responsible
Undefeatable Hero
Chaos seeking Harmony
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posted May 12, 2009 08:25 PM |
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He, She, that thing over there, its all good. As long as somebody doesn't call me late for supper...it's all good. Titles, labels, names don't affect or bother me at all. 
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Wolfsburg
Promising
Known Hero
... the Vampire Doc
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posted May 12, 2009 10:08 PM |
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Gootch says:
Good. Get lost. We don't need your kind here. I'd much rather have a dozen Elodins on this board than the few prancing nancies who feel justified escalating a dialogue and then claiming great offense to views contrary to their own.
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Binabik says:
JJ, how about if you quit arguing in every single thread you post in? You don't know when to quit do you? You'll argue to the bitter end even beyond the point of when your arguments becomes totally absurd.
You said you were going to leave? That's the first good thing you've posted in, well forever.
Feeling contributive, my friends? Helping a lot aren't we?
For some stupid reason I missed this whole fiery discussion going on in the Feedback for the last couple of days. Wish I had been here to help clarifying some things, and in part, back JJ up.
Mytical's intervention was made at the right time, but IMHO it was only when Angelito came in and specifically held back Elodins ravings, that the thread got back to track.
No. We (atheists/agnostics...) haven't offended christians as much as the other way around. We have said things that are often considered offensive to fundamentalists ears. But if we study all of our previous posts word for word you will see that accusations such as "you killed millions", or insisting to connect bloodthirsty dictators to the opposition were always claims made by Elodin. Note at the religion thread that I tried to hold him back TWICE in this pointless argumentation. Which didn't prevent the man from repeating this nonsense exact FIFTEEN times.
Understand we had other religious people in such discussions and we were having a good time, debating our different points of view. Misteriously the only one pooring gasoline into the fire from the very start was the aforementioned.
If we would have used the same kind of hostility against christians, we would have gotten ourselves a well-deserved -QP in a blink.
The part where I disagree with JJ is that I think Angelito's action was firm, decisive and did in fact put the fire down. I consider myself to be satisfied with that for a moderator's intervention.
Now, JJ, unless you have another reasons to leave HC, I ask you to reconsider your decision. People making fun of you as oversensitive have no fckn clue what they are talking about, you have a hell of an opposition here and nonetheless you take much of the criticism quietly. You got a damn thick skin there.
Staying in HC despites having cathegorically said the opposite would not be a sign of weakness. On the contrary. For people as resolute as we are, acting contrary to our determinations is not an easy task.
I still plan on posting much and we still have much interesting stuff to discuss about.
Now lets act resolute all together and put an end to this, shall we?
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