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You are provoking. period.
provoking who? It's not me who goes personal, in fact, if everyone was anonymous I wouldn't care, at least as far as the discussions go.Quote:
You just post nonsense all over again and again.
and this isn't provokation?
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I post about people who didn't get knowledge of Jesus, and you come up with "2 different armies" and "logical is irrelevant". Completely NON related to my post at all.
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So I repeat it: I don't care if YOU are tired of me, but I care if MANY others are tired of YOU.
I don't seem to read that in the CoC.
and this isn't only about me, but also mvass and on another different level, Elodin (sometimes I agree about that though, he goes over the line, but so does JJ, so warning only one isn't fair).
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posted July 27, 2009 10:44 PM |
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You just post nonsense all over again and again.
and this isn't provokation?
No...it is the TRUTH.
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I post about people who didn't get knowledge of Jesus, and you come up with "2 different armies" and "logical is irrelevant". Completely NON related to my post at all.
Whoa who said those were related to your post?
You even don't realize anymore when you quote others?....lol. Or did you just quote me, but replied to anyone else?...Then it's time to have a break from the computer and get your senses straight again...
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So I repeat it: I don't care if YOU are tired of me, but I care if MANY others are tired of YOU.
I don't seem to read that in the CoC.
and this isn't only about me, but also mvass and on another different level, Elodin (sometimes I agree about that though, he goes over the line, but so does JJ, so warning only one isn't fair).
Maybe because you all act in a similar way (to a certain extent)?
How can this be personal if I don't know ANY of you personal?
You can create a new account and name it however you like...it will take not longer than 3 days to determine it is YOU. Bet?
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posted July 27, 2009 10:49 PM |
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and this isn't provokation?
No...it is the TRUTH.
I'm not sure what I should say, but I'm pretty sure others would get a penalty for saying "nonsense" to someone's post, even if they put "it is TRUTH" after it. Actually even more so, because saying "you're stupid, and that's a FACT" will surely get you a penalty.
If it's truth, and not subjective (what's 'sense' anyway?), I'd like to see proof.
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You even don't realize anymore when you quote others?....lol. Or did you just quote me, but replied to anyone else?...Then it's time to have a break from the computer and get your senses straight again...
I quoted you and the reply was to that quote only in the first paragraph/phrase/whatever it was. sorry if that caused confusion 
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Maybe because you all act in a similar way (to a certain extent)?
How can this be personal if I don't know ANY of you personal?
You can create a new account and name it however you like...it will take not longer than 3 days to determine it is YOU. Bet?
But that's not what I'm saying!
I'm saying that you shouldn't even figure who posts it, because it's not the MEMBER you should look at, but his/her post! Even if you could figure out if some post was written by X. (not saying you wouldn't of course, we all have our style).
My point was, you should look at posts rather than members.
Since I don't want to pollute the OSM thread, I'll quote this bit here and reply to it.
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Can I ask, what was the point of such post, mr. maturity?
provocation? or on topic?
On topic....because I quoted someone and replied to his post 
I'm not sure I get it, because that's what mvass did in the MJ thread too and yet he got silenced for it. You do know that people can quote and reply to off topic stuff too right, and doesn't make it on topic or anything.
just common sense
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posted July 27, 2009 11:13 PM |
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Angelito, are you familiar with ad hominem? Because this is one huge example of it.
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You can create a new account and name it however you like...it will take not longer than 3 days to determine it is YOU. Bet?
I don't know how successful Death would be at this, but I did it with DeadMan and no one called me on it.
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posted July 27, 2009 11:42 PM |
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I find that a lot of people post the same thing over and over and don't get called on it seemingly because of the point of view they are expressing. I also find that a lot of people like to use provocative language and never get called on it for the same reason.
I would also like to point out that a lot of "nonsense" is posted. While you may think a person is deliberately posting nonsense he may just not understand or may be misinformed about different things. I find all the time people make false claims about the Bible for instance. Some do so deliberately and others becuse they don't know what the Bible actually says.
Anyways, I don't see that TheDeath has done anything beyond what others who express different viewpoints have done. If anyone feels he is just playing Devil's Advocate they can ignore his posts or just address the points he makes.
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posted July 28, 2009 12:22 AM |
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honestly death,sometimes i feel you arguing just for the point of arguing.
you too,JJ.
Elodin,your posts are evasive,you evade inyour points from other points instead of countering them. i will no longer argue with you.
Xarduix Posts nonescense at left adn right,does not defends himself when he is asked by it,and i will waste no time arging with him either. im not better provokative and sometimes blunt. but honest!
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posted July 28, 2009 12:27 AM |
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honestly death,sometimes i feel you arguing just for the point of arguing.
sometimes, even though it's rarely, but it's not like anyone would believe me. However, even if so, what's wrong about it? I don't insult, don't take it personal, no racism, and this "arguing for the sake of arguing" doesn't always include quote wars either (not that they are mentioned in the CoC though), it depends on the post(s) I'm replying to.
What's wrong with having more than one opinion regarding a subject? Because basically that's what you (plural) accuse me of.
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posted July 28, 2009 01:17 AM |
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@Antipalaidn
No, my posts are not evasive. You just don't like my opinions seemingly because they are not anti-religion. You continully make claims that the Bible says lots of things it does not say and I post Scripture that shows that is not what the Bible says when you are in error.
I've seen you insult me and others many times. Calling Xarduix a tottal idiot would seem to be a violation of the rules. Instead of insulting a person comment on the points they make, please.
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posted July 28, 2009 01:20 AM |
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@Angelito
To be honest, I think you provoked Death intentionally far more than he ever really provoked anyone.
I understand your feelings and how tough it can be to keep the OSM from imploding but there are better ways to turn someone's attention to the sensibility of his posts and arguments than raining phrases like "childish nonsense", "It is NOT possible one human being can post so much snow" and others. After all, you are a mod.
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posted July 28, 2009 01:45 AM |
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@Death - becouse it pointless and decives the secoond party.
@elodin im looking for those passages to qoute to you. evasive as where i asked you to name just and unjust wars you belive in ,you did wanted too. ignored request.
where did i insult you?
oh and i didnt want to insult him i just want to say my opinion on hes behivor. he lists meny faults in meny traditions,and meny opinions on many subjects,but does not explains,nor backs any of them. the childlish behivor is im right no one else is and im not going to hear it out,is not suited for intellegent life spiecies.
I would convert to christanity,if you can prove to me,that god does indead exists. and i mean a solid prove,that can go to cort.
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posted July 28, 2009 06:48 AM |
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@ Antipaladin
I will withdraw my statement that you insulted me. I have no desire to look back through previous posts.
I already told you my thoughts of what makes a war just. If you wish to discuss furthur what a just war is please start an appropriate topic. Something like "Is violence or war ever justifiable?"
It is not my job to convert anyone. It is my responsiblity only to speak the truth. There is a topic for "Why I gave up believing in God" where the issue of the existence of God can be discussed.
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posted July 28, 2009 09:09 AM |
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No, this is where we discuss PROBLEMS. Lets cut the insults now. Actually, I have been a bit impressed lately with the discussions. Though SOME work still is needed, they are a vast improvement. As to those who have been 'picking' on Xerox lately, it needs to stop. Insults are insults. We get that you don't like some of his posts (especially the wow ones) but nobody is forcing you to read them. So please cease and desist with the flaming. Penalties will follow if this is ignored.
Everybody , please reread the CoC again. We need a good lighthearted thread in the OSM, any volunteers?
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posted July 28, 2009 01:35 PM |
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To be honest, I think you provoked Death intentionally far more than he ever really provoked anyone.
I understand your feelings and how tough it can be to keep the OSM from imploding but there are better ways to turn someone's attention to the sensibility of his posts and arguments than raining phrases like "childish nonsense", "It is NOT possible one human being can post so much snow" and others. After all, you are a mod.
My 2 cents.
the problem is, TheDeath was asked to change his style not only once, and not only by 1 mod, and not only by 1 member.
Result?
He didn't care at all..
So now, we just tried a different style...a style which is called "look into the mirror".
What I did, was NOTHING else than posting in HIS usual style.
And you know what? He seems to be pissed..GOOD....because now he probably gets a picture of how the other members feel.
It seems this is/was the only way to make him think a bit more about the whole issue (not sure how long it will last though...)
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i was aware of the fact you do not find anything wrong in TheDeath's posting style to be honest..
As I said, you sometimes have similar ways in posting.
Antipaladin may not have found the right words, but he said it quite well.
And "nonsense" has to be determined I guess.
You call things "nonsense" if they don't fit into the bible or your belief (or please show me some things which you are refering to if I am wrong). These things make " no sense" for you.
But TheDeath is completrely different. His arguments are soemtimes completely ridiculous, and everybody can see he just posted to have an argue against something.
As I already posted above, take the good example of the dolphin and chicken meat:
Just to point out the starting point of that issue:
- A video about killing animals
- some find it horrible, others say it is normal for everyone who eats meat
- No one seems to have problems with meat we eat regularly, like pork chicken or beef (all these animals get killed aswell)
- Anti asked why chicken is ok, what if he likes DOLPHIN meat?
This question clearly implies, there should be no difference what kind of ANIMAL meat we eat.
And what was the response of TheDeath:
WHAT IF I LIKE HUMAN MEAT, OR WHAT IF I LIKE TO EAT MY COMPUTER?
And you tell me again this post is NOT nonsense. It is just to NOT loose an argument and to ride that dead horse until it is flat like a disc.
And this is only ONE example. If you re-read his post, you will find many more of those.
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posted July 28, 2009 02:07 PM |
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Death is just playing with Moral logic. Making fun of it. Similar to the abortion thread, where I tried to make fun of one of the arguments brought there. Some of them are too picky. They focus around something making it good/bad, but make similar/related things the opposite, even if there is a strong correlation between them that would make any half-intelligent person ask WHY after a bit of thinking. The question is: Why is this bad, but something, similar to it, good, allowed or accepted? When Death asks why eating A is good and B is bad, he's not out of his mind... he's merely playing with our (poor) moral logic, and it's ok: we have too much stupid logic among us anyway. It's good to have someone to point out things that should be taken into consideration to avoid hypocrisy, like the anti-abortion "giving unborn people chance to live" while using condoms every day - a great case of, well, maybe not hypocrisy, but lack of thought put into one's arguments.
Even though asking about eating computers is rather weird, of course.  If Death tried to make his examples less "out of this world", I think you wouldn't care that much about his "provocations", angelito.
So let him be. As long as he doesn't violate CoC, it's ok, I think..
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I think Death should simply use less analogies, or completely refrain from using them. Going straight to the point instead.
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posted July 28, 2009 04:46 PM |
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Analogies are the father of controversy  And from what I understand quite overused around this place.
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posted July 28, 2009 04:58 PM |
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@JJ: no problem mate, at least you make sense. I can realize why some of you don't like/don't get my analogies and say they are absurd, because probably not all of you have the same background. I could elaborate them everytime but I don't have infinite time to type (suffice to say I do it in my free time). Sorry.
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So my petition to Death would just be to think a bit more before posting. I seem to remember, Death said something about time constrictions, so I suspect he's posting more hurriedly as he used to at the moment...
Well while I don't have time to explain what I have in my head, doesn't mean I don't have it or think on it. (I usually not only think in my free time ).
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the problem is, TheDeath was asked to change his style not only once, and not only by 1 mod, and not only by 1 member.
So?
Is this a witchhunt or something where not even the CoC is enough, but what the masses think or want?
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So now, we just tried a different style...a style which is called "look into the mirror".
What I did, was NOTHING else than posting in HIS usual style.
And you know what? He seems to be pissed..GOOD....because now he probably gets a picture of how the other members feel.
It seems this is/was the only way to make him think a bit more about the whole issue (not sure how long it will last though...)
The difference between you and me is that I don't take it personal. I'm sorry to disappoint you that I'm way more mature than getting pissed on useless things on the internet (I do get pissed, but usually on real-life stories, i.e not the internet itself).
However I did say I'm tired of this, since it's not the first time, and I don't like the same stuff again and again as you noticed on any new thread with "old subjects".
I don't think you successfully used the same style however. Let's see, I'm usually using analogies, you are saying "you make no sense" or "your posts are so full of snow" or something like that.
I would only request that you don't paint me with that immaturity responses. Whether you think my analogies are childish is up to you, but don't paint them with what you said as being "the mirror". Thanks.
I can, of course, dig up quotes for proof or facts, but I noticed some people will usually say "geez was that really necessary" when they are faced with facts.
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posted July 28, 2009 08:58 PM |
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WHAT IF I LIKE HUMAN MEAT, OR WHAT IF I LIKE TO EAT MY COMPUTER?
I would tend to think such a statement is not meant to be taken seriously, eh? There is nothing wrong with a bit of jesting I think.
Clicky
And Death is certainly not the only one to use analogies and stories or to get a bit silly.
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posted July 29, 2009 12:50 AM |
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angelito point was that he uses silly logic on every argumetn basis. you can't win with sarcesm. Baklva is the prove.
HE STOPS QOUTING HERE TOO MUCH.
point is this. i think all animal 'lovers' are hippocriticle basterds becouse pork meat,and dolphine meat are animal meat and therefore meat. Humanes are carnivores. Period. people who are vegeterian does have health issues. not all can be made by men.
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posted July 29, 2009 03:39 AM |
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angelito point was that he uses silly logic on every argumetn basis. you can't win with sarcesm. Baklva is the prove.
HE STOPS QOUTING HERE TOO MUCH.
point is this. i think all animal 'lovers' are hippocriticle basterds becouse pork meat,and dolphine meat are animal meat and therefore meat. Humanes are carnivores. Period. people who are vegeterian does have health issues. not all can be made by men.
I don't think you know what hypocrite means.
yes BOTH ARE MEAT. And YOU and ME are meat too. Will you ever stop with this? I never said hunting pork was better, or any other animal like this. (I know hunting pork sounds strange, because pork is BRED so it's a difference, but you get the idea).
Now let me get back to that computer joke. What if someone wants to eat computer components? Based on the "I want --> I get" argument without caring for consequences except for yourself.
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