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posted August 29, 2009 05:45 PM |
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Elodin, you can twist and turn and slither about as much as you like - if you contest the fact, that humans and Christian humans can err in their judgement you are a fool. And probably dishonest at that. Because without error is only god, by your own religion, and you should know that, so you should simply stop writing so much unconnected bla-bla.
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Just want to point out BEFORE any problems arrise that Jolly said IF. He did NOT call Elodin a FOOL. It's an IF/THEN problem, programmers love those. - Mytical
Is it now ok to use provocative language and insult others if you preface it with an IF statment?
Aside from the fact that nothing I said can be interpreted as "Chrisians don't make errors."
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Salamandre
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posted August 29, 2009 05:48 PM |
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posted August 29, 2009 06:11 PM |
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Religious spam should be penalized as well. 
Yeah, like the one posting picture spam right? (forgot who (s)he was)
I would like some solid backup to claims made by "religious spam" because that was a (frustrated) atheist spam.
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antipaladin
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posted August 29, 2009 07:01 PM |
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Religious spam should be penalized as well.
while im a antheist,but sometimes belive in humane secrifices i rather dissagree with you salamandre,if you might not like the post,dont answer to it.
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angelito
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posted August 29, 2009 07:21 PM |
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@ Elodin
When I read your (hundreds) of complaining posts about how often other members "insult" you, I really can't believe you're an adult and a father too.
This behaviour is what I expect from teenager who run to their mom everytime the wind blows too strong in their face.
Grow up!
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Elodin
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posted August 29, 2009 07:48 PM |
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@ Elodin
When I read your (hundreds) of complaining posts about how often other members "insult" you, I really can't believe you're an adult and a father too.
This behaviour is what I expect from teenager who run to their mom everytime the wind blows too strong in their face.
Grow up!
I only complain because it seems some people are allowed to insult freely if they hold certain viewpoints.
If I respond in a way that can be considered provocative then I am called down and told that no amount of provocation justifies me "holding up a mirror."
If I am allowed to press my points as strongly as others with language that is just as strong I have no complaints but I am not. Only the atheists/somewhat anti-theistic agnostics are allowed to argue in such a manner it seems.
Oh, also I don't have "hundereds of complaining posts."
You will recall my complaint all along has been there is not an equal playing field. Some people can seemingly violate the Code of Conduct with impunity if the hold the "right beliefs."
Instead of the COC being enforced selectively it should either be done away with or applied to eveyone equally and without favor to those who share certain viewpoints. If a moderator is an atheist/agnostic he should not show favortism to those who share his views. If a moderator is a Christian he should not show favoritism to those who share his views.
Perhaps the OSM should be made a "fire at will" zone to speak freely in whatever manner one wishes to speak. I prefer civil discussion but I am quite willing to adopt whatever style of debate the other party wishes to adopt.
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Elodin
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posted August 29, 2009 09:33 PM |
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I think this complaining is a farce.
Elodin, you would rather die than admit you are wrong. I think that you are making such a fuss here because you can't stand that you don't have a point in that discussion.
More false claims. My "complaining" is not a farce. I would not rather die than admit I am wrong if I am wrong.
Pardon me, but I showed exactly what the New Testament says, and it is what governs Christianity. The New Testament is the Christian holy book and is authoritative source of Christian theology.
But this is not the place to debate the topic we were discussing in the thread where you insulted me.
My post here was about wether the COC can be gotten around by putting in an IF clause that allows you to freely insult others and also my request that the COC either be thrown out or applied to everyone regardless of their philosophical stances that the moderators are sympathetic with or unsympathetic with.
I have tried very hard to refrain from "holding up a mirror" when insulted after the moderators called me down and told me that no amoundt of provocation justifies me "holding up a mirror." All I want is an equal playing field.
I would ask you that until the rules are changed to refrain from personal insults and to instead address the issues.
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posted August 29, 2009 10:22 PM |
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we are, you're being stupid, we're saying our points, you're ignoring them and nitpicking at them, we're resorting to more exasperated methods, and then you have the gall to say we're in the wrong.
It's not scientific, religion bases, or whatever, your out voted. it isn't personal, it's democracy.
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TheDeath
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posted August 29, 2009 10:25 PM |
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we are, you're being stupid, we're saying our points, you're ignoring them and nitpicking at them, we're resorting to more exasperated methods, and then you have the gall to say we're in the wrong.
It's not scientific, religion bases, or whatever, your out voted. it isn't personal, it's democracy.
This is the most ridiculous argument you've ever brought.
You're right with one thing though. It's definitely not scientific, because of what you just said, science would accept votes instead of experiments. Isn't that how uh... religion used to function?
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posted August 29, 2009 10:33 PM |
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we are, you're being stupid, we're saying our points, you're ignoring them and nitpicking at them, we're resorting to more exasperated methods, and then you have the gall to say we're in the wrong.
It's not scientific, religion bases, or whatever, your out voted. it isn't personal, it's democracy.
This is the most ridiculous argument you've ever brought.
You're right with one thing though. It's definitely not scientific, because of what you just said, science would accept votes instead of experiments. Isn't that how uh... religion used to function?
yeah, reading back now, it is a bit ridundant, Elodin knows the position he's in.
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Elodin
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posted August 29, 2009 11:27 PM |
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we are, you're being stupid, we're saying our points, you're ignoring them and nitpicking at them, we're resorting to more exasperated methods, and then you have the gall to say we're in the wrong.
It's not scientific, religion bases, or whatever, your out voted. it isn't personal, it's democracy.
Could you stop the insults please? I presented who the Bible says a Christian is and what covenant a Christian is under from the New Testament, which is what governs Christian theology.
Atheists don't get to vote to establish Christian theology to be what they desire it to be. Christian theology is based on the Bible.
If you want to discuss that furthur, discuss in the thread that is appropriate.
I posted here asking for clarification of the Code of Conduct and for it to be enforced on all ideologies equally.
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angelito
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posted August 30, 2009 08:24 PM |
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Elodin
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posted August 30, 2009 09:05 PM |
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It seems moderators and their pals are free to insult others because of their beliefs.
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You're nothing else but an impostor. And no, this is NOT an insult, this is just the conclusion of the way you post
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Aculias
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posted August 30, 2009 09:17 PM |
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Dude you are crying ok.
You dont even know what the word Debate means.
It's your way or no way because you think you smarter & better then us.
Your comments seems to be put downs for all of us because you think we dont know what we are talking about.
Then when we say something about it, you get all hissy on us.
So yea I agree Angelo lol.
You dont even know what an insult is, here you are whining to Mytical to protect you while you hide behind her fearing of being afraid.
Personally I think you are scared to be wrong, you lash at others because of the fear of actually being a human being & being wrong.
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Elodin
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posted August 30, 2009 09:23 PM |
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I am not putting down anyone in debates. I make my points without personal insults. In times past when I have "held up a mirror" and adopted the same sort of "strong language" my opponent was using I was condemned and warned not to do so.
I do not mind any type of debate as long as each side is given a level playing field.
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posted August 30, 2009 09:54 PM |
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Just my 2 cents.
I think both sides of this are both wrong about some things. And I think both sides are right about some things.
Angelito, when it comes to religion, you are one of the worst ones. It seems to be a topic that you can't stay away from. Yes, your posts are highly degrading and insulting to religious people. I know you've said before that people can believe whatever they want. But then you turn around and degrade them for believing as they do. I understand the difference between simply believing something and preaching it to everyone. But in a religion thread it is a very fine line between stating one's belief and preaching.
Elodin, you should be allowed to state your beliefs without being insulted. But you ALSO need to find the line between stating your beliefs and preaching. You need to understand that people find constant preaching and pushing your views to be highly annoying.
And you need to be especially careful doing it in non-religion threads, which is not only off-topic, but almost certainly WILL get a response from others, ensuring that the entire thread changes direction. Religion is all encompassing and can be applied to just about anything, but that can't be used as an excuse to insert religion in threads that aren't specifically about religion. You might see it as expressing your view on a topic and using Bible quotes to justify those views. But here's the real issue, it's highly provocative when you do that. Just because you should be ALLOWED to express your views doesn’t mean you SHOULD do it. There are times to show restraint when you know the results will be negative for a thread or to the community as a whole.
And to everyone else. I learned a long time ago not to argue with "Jesus freaks", "Bible thumpers" or whatever you want to call them. (Yes, those terms can be derogatory, I just use them because everyone knows what they mean.) It does absolutely no good to argue with them, NONE. There's some sort of pull to do so, I feel the pull myself, but it's a weird masochistic pull that just results in getting people upset. It accomplishes nothing.
Back to Elodin. You do realize that constantly preaching the Bible actually pushes people away from religion don't you? It doesn't serve the purpose of bringing people to religion, it does just the opposite. Maybe there have been times that you "brought someone to God", but how many were pushed away in the process? People find constant preaching like you do to be HIGHLY annoying and there are a lot of people who just can't resist arguing with you. It's not "spreading the word of God", it just pisses people off and drives them away. If you look back through the "believing in God thread" most of the people who strongly argue against God are ones who have gotten tired of being preached to in the past, and are reacting to that.
Again, just because you (everyone) should be ALLOWED to express certain views doesn't mean you SHOULD express them. And yea, I'm guilty too. I just try not to get overly involved in it.
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posted August 30, 2009 10:00 PM |
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I think binabik made a wonderful post... And coincidentally this is the right place to say so. I agree on every single point, so it must get a QP! It must!
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Aculias
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posted August 30, 2009 10:10 PM |
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I am not saying Elodin is a bad guy.
I understand with your comment Bibanik.
All I am saying is that he can get carried away when people have a different point of view.
He has cast himself as a target.
He just needs to stop thinking people are insulting him all the time.
Take some advice from others.
Maybe sit & think of why someone is disagreeing with you.
Religion is a very sensetive issue, so you can expect some heated debates.
The issue needs to be respected & people will have different point of views.
All I am saying is that Elodin should not be so hasty.
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posted August 30, 2009 10:21 PM |
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Act more mature dammit.
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I posted here asking for clarification of the Code of Conduct and for it to be enforced on all ideologies equally.
Strong language and a mirror requires a equally valid argument to be used. The sole disadvantage of defending a religion is that there is no "absolute truths" that can be used, all is subjective and its all about faith and how to interpret it. Which makes the mirror hard. Another problem is analogies, we already got the master of bad analogies present in this tread (thedeath) which luckly have not attempted in the last few pages. Comparing math to religion is bad, since its no possible relationship or comparision.
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Binabik
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posted August 30, 2009 10:28 PM |
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@Acu
Yes, Elodin takes some things as insults when they aren't. But he DOES get insulted and degraded on a regular basis. Even if every instance he sites isn't an insult, he still has a legitimate complaint.
On the other hand, to some degree he brings it on himself. I'm sure the reaction he gets is nothing new to him. It's not like he doesn't know what he's getting into.
He is getting insulted. But who's to blame, the provoker or the provoked? It takes both sides for this to happen and they are equally to blame IMO.
In order for it to stop. BOTH sides need to use restraint.
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