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posted November 13, 2010 04:18 AM |
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Maybe there is a critical difference between europeans and americans when coming to religion. If any european president would have the bad idea to insert the word "GOD" in one of his speeches he would look totally ridiculous and will instantly lose any popular support. While an american president is likely to quote god thousand times in his speeches and keep the confidence of his electors.
Besides this, Elodin is the most questionable christian I ever read, starting almost every of his posts with "nah, this is false", not even taking the time to read or listen. No matter what he writes or not, the feeling is the total lack of respect or tolerance towards others, and no, I can't quote anything, it is only a strong feeling so speculating is it false or not is useless.
I am reducing all again to religion, because even when it is about other subjects, it will always end with some religious links or quotes, like the last one about a priest giving 90% of his income to charity. A link to a christian site is, for me, as valid as a link to facebook, sorry, reality is often (always?) deformed on those.
Moreover, we, in Europe, do NOT believe marxists or communists are evil, and I neither think Elodin has the knowledge and studied enough Marx to prove that his heritage is evil, bad or whatever. Communism did not work for various reasons, and studies about the fail of the communism are still young and incomplete. I was born and lived for 20 years in a communist country, so I can take the posts of Elodin as a personal insult, and they ARE.
But I agree, his penalty should be removed, unless a detailed explanation is going to be given about exactly why it was applied. Penalties are not a way to deal with him.
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Mytical
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posted November 13, 2010 06:25 AM |
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Look no further, I will not hesitate to say I was the one who applied the penalty. just as I applied one to Jolly. However, you have one point Elodin, which I will go correct immediately.
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Mytical
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posted November 13, 2010 06:47 AM |
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Also Elodin, do not speak for me or put words in my mouth. I don't care who calls OJ Simpson a nefarious mastermind (hehe), or O'Donnell a left wing hypocracy machine (two examples that have nothing to do with anything except being examples). The personal attacks, or the attacks eluding that the other posters are <insert x> is stopping, period. That means calling them Marxist, ill informed, lacking comprehension, etc. It will be penalized. Same for those who do the same to you. This is all on ME. Last post I will make on the subject. You, or anybody else, want any other answers HCM me. The other two Mods can reverse at will, or do things their own way.
Still searching down all the posts that you concluded made negative remarks against you. The other posts I could care less about.
For those who have received penalties, I am giving the chance to get them reversed if you edit your posts. Please HCM me when you have done so.
Edit : Don't fret it Angelito, I am a big boy..I can dish what they take out. They will call for my blood *shrugs*. Can't make em happy regardless.
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Elodin
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posted November 13, 2010 08:05 AM |
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Look no further, I will not hesitate to say I was the one who applied the penalty. just as I applied one to Jolly. However, you have one point Elodin, which I will go correct immediately.
And for what posts did you give the penalties?
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posted November 13, 2010 08:39 AM |
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Answered.
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JollyJoker
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posted November 13, 2010 09:01 AM |
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Elodin:
IF you are so innocent, IF you do react only on wrongs done to you, IF you only want a level playing field - how do you explain this post of yours that you answered one of mine with:
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Let's sum this up to see, whether I did understand everything right.
1) People who for some reason have no job and who do not make every conceivable move to find one, should be left to themselves. This would obviously include their family members, children, and so on.
Yep. Except that the children would be removed from the household and provided for through being placed with relatives or if no relative is willing to take care of them then they would be placed with a foster care.
Refusing to provide for your children is child neglect and endangerment.
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2) People who have no job and make every conceivable move, but can't get a job, for example for the following reasons:
a) too old
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d) children and left alone by spouse
e) no or bad education; illiterate
and so on should either ask family/friends for help, and if there is no family/friends or those have no job either they may go begging to a church or to private caritative organizations - who, of course, would have to check one way or another, whether the beggars had made every conceivable move to find a job, because if not, since the bible teaches those shouldn't eat, they would be rejected.
Yep. It is not my obligation to make a living for anyone beyond myself and my family. However I chose to give over 50% of my income to charity because I love people and want to help them.
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Now, there was a time like that. It's called The Dark Ages, for one reason or another. Ah, the good old times.
Sorry, I don't believe in the immoral loony tunes Marxist idea that everyone should get a free ride if they don't want to work and the money to provide from them should be stolen from those who do work or who "have too much already." The government stealing money and redistributing it to others is immoral.
I direct your attention to the last paragraph.
You are suddenly confrontational without any provocation, start about the looney tune Marxist ideas and so on - that is agitatorial, demagogic speech without content, unprovoked, in short: ranting. It aggressively invites to mud-slinging, and it is you who starts it. Because the conclusion you answered to is TRUE. It WAS that way in earlier times.
And this is just one very recent example.
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posted November 13, 2010 09:24 AM |
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I have a novel idea. How about you two just STFU and get the hell out of here. We're tired of listening to you. You guys are ruining the board so get the hell out. Some people have the idea that everyone is welcome here. But no, they aren't. If you are ruining the board then you aren't welcome. I repeat again, get the hell out.
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Mytical
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posted November 13, 2010 09:27 AM |
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Bin, you know I like and respect you, but I gotta do what I gotta do.
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Binabik
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posted November 13, 2010 09:36 AM |
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And I'm doing what I gotta do. This place has turned into a hell hole. You are too busy talking and not doing what needs to be done. Just ban those two already and get it over with.
You give me a penalty for saying what needs to be said. Fine. But I am going to do it again and again until somebody does something about it. Enough is enough.
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Mytical
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posted November 13, 2010 09:38 AM |
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1) Only Val can ban. You've been around long enough to know this. 2) I am letting my actions now speak for me. Last post on this subject. HCM me for any other information.
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posted November 13, 2010 09:41 AM |
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A good example for a very confrontational post, and reviewing the last months, in its intolerant "lynch-the-snows" way not untypical for what is called the "legendary responsible hero" Binabik.
Besides, who is "we", Binabik? You and your dog?
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posted November 13, 2010 09:43 AM |
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I am NOT going to go to HCM. This needs to be public. I'm fully aware that only Val can ban. But you have the ability to silence. You have the ability to make it clear. Those two are RUINING this board. There are other problems, but those two are a major part of it and it needs to stop. Seriously it must STOP.
Sorry, but being nice and using diplomacy doesn't work.
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Mytical
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posted November 13, 2010 09:43 AM |
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Edit : The personal insults have to go to HCM or I will issue silences. Your call.
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posted November 13, 2010 09:45 AM |
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Go ahead and issue silences. Stick your head in the sand if you want. That won't make it go away.
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angelito
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posted November 13, 2010 09:46 AM |
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And I'm doing what I gotta do. This place has turned into a hell hole. You are too busy talking and not doing what needs to be done. Just ban those two already and get it over with.
You give me a penalty for saying what needs to be said. Fine. But I am going to do it again and again until somebody does something about it. Enough is enough.
How about leading by example instead of jumping on the same train?
Your action(s) do not help a little bit, sorry to say.
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posted November 13, 2010 09:47 AM |
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Nothing else works Angelito, you should know that. It's been tried over and over and it doesn't work.
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Mytical
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posted November 13, 2010 09:51 AM |
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Ask and ye shall receive. As I said, my actions will speak for me. Done talking.
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angelito
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posted November 13, 2010 09:57 AM |
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Nothing else works Angelito, you should know that. It's been tried over and over and it doesn't work.
But isn't "ignoring" the better way than insulting or attacking?
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posted November 13, 2010 10:02 AM |
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It's a question of who should be the one ignoring.
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JollyJoker
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posted November 13, 2010 10:05 AM |
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Strange - it feels like a movie: Some town has a problem, and some righteous townfolk want to enforce a violent solution by hanging a couple of people viewed as troublemakers by the oh so righteous town leaders.
The Sheriff and his deputy try to calm people by pointing to the law - but no, there are those obstiantes who just want to take decisive action. They look for someone to blame, someone to put the blame on and be done with it.
The lynchers always look bad in those movies - but in real life it's always different, when it actually happens, right?
In light of the encounters Binabik and me had within the last months, this initiative of him looks rather suspiciously like personal grudge.
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