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Heroes Community > Tavern of the Rising Sun > Thread: The Socialists' Lounge
Thread: The Socialists' Lounge This thread is 10 pages long: 1 2 3 4 5 6 7 8 9 10 · «PREV
Svarog
Svarog


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posted May 22, 2005 04:27 AM

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I beleive that once profits are reinvested, production won't stop, you are right, but will diminish nonetheless because the money will not be going into their pockets. I wouldn't be suprised to see some people take more vacation during that time....

Why not sending the profit to workers pockets? The best incentive one can have is when they profit from the fruits of their labour. Worker mobility in such a system is must, as the ultimate goal is efficiency, and this profit-dependant sallaries is imo one important element. Having said that, I would be surprised to see some people taking more vacation than the amount already established by law or firm codecs, because I envision the possibility of financial sanctions as well as firing in certain extreme cases. (all this menagement regulative has to be clearly and in detail written and enforced by the company menagement.)
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Conan
Conan


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posted May 24, 2005 04:05 PM

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One such regulation that I am a big supporter of, was "invented" and first used in Nazi Germany. It's basically just that the government sets a limit on the amount of the profit can be distributed amongst the investors; that a certain amount of the profit has to be reinvested in the company.

Svarog, our discussion was based on what Terje said after your "champagne" post.
It answers you question about profits.
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terje_the_mad_wizard


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posted May 28, 2005 10:29 PM

During the last wekk, I've been reading an article by the Norwegian welfare state researcher G. Esping-Andersen, and inside this article I have found some fascinating quotes that I wil share with my comrades.

1st one:
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... a "social democratic" welfare state will, in its own right, establish critical power resources for wage-earners, and thus strengthen labor movements. [...] social rights push back the frontiers of capitalist power.
The question of why the welfare state itself is a power resource is vital for the [theory about social class as a political agent]'s applicability. The answer is that wage-earners in the market are inherently atomized and stratified - compelled to compete, insecure, and dependant on decisions and forces beyond their control. This limits their capacity for collective solidarity and mobilization. The social rights, income security, equalization and eradication of poverty that an universalistic welfare state pursues are necessary preconditions for the strength and unity that collective power mobilization demands.


2nd one:
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In Britain, total social expenditure has grown during the Thatcher period, yet this is almost exclusively a function of very high unemployment.

Yay for Mrs. Thatcher, who reformed and reduced the costs of the British welfare programs! Yay for Mrs. Thatcher, who was such a positive force for British business!

3rd one:
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[A. Smith's] enthustiastic embrace of market capitalism may now appear unjustified. But we must not forget that the reality [he and others] spoke of was a state upholding absolutist privileges, mercantilist protectionism, and pervasive corruption. What they attacked was a system of government that repressed their ideals of both freedom and enterprise. Hence, theirs was a revolutionary theory, and from this vantage point, we can understand why Adam Smith sometimes reads like Karl Marx. (1)
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(1) In The Wealth of Nations (1961, II, p. 236), Smith comments on states that uphold the privilege and security of the propertied as follows: 'civil government, so far as it is instituted for the security of property, is in reality insituted for the defence of the rich against the poor, or of those who have some property against those who have none at all.'


Neat, eh?
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SirDunco
SirDunco


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posted June 23, 2005 07:56 PM

Mind if i join you comerades. I have been looking around this here on HC, so I would be happy if you would accept.

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LadyGuenivere
LadyGuenivere


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posted June 23, 2005 10:59 PM

Non! Non! We must be loyal to ze keeng!
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IYY
IYY


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posted June 25, 2005 04:19 AM

Mind if I ask you Comrades a question:

What do you think of the novel 1984?

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SirDunco
SirDunco


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posted June 25, 2005 10:47 AM

1984 Apart from being the greatest work of George Orwell expressed a realistic fear, which is still up to date even today.

It showed Orwell's dissgust at the sittuation in USSR and therefore,since Orwell was a socialist himslef, expressed his oppinion on this missusage of a great idea.

This novel had many great ideas in it and can still serve as a warnign not only for today but also for the future.

But the thing most frightening about it is how real it was. The sittuation in Russia in those days was unimagenable. For those of us who never lived in such days its hard to imagine the constant insecurity, the fear, just the who sittuation. Sometimes it leaves me to worry what will come. Since such a scenario, as unimaginable to some people as it may sound, is frighteningly real.

The book is a masterpiece, a true classic of literature and something that should not be taken lightly...
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Svarog
Svarog


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statue-loving necrophiliac
posted June 26, 2005 01:00 AM

SirDunco, socialists are generally a welcoming bunch, but there seems to be a problem with your ehm.. title. Our last encounter with someone elevating himself to "Sir" was not of pleasant nature. We aint calling u sir here anyway. Got that... comradeDunco?
It better be a Slovak equivalent of "Sir" we dont know about yet, or how else explain this aristocratic intrusion in the Party?
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SirDunco
SirDunco


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posted June 26, 2005 08:31 AM

Yes yes I'll be more than happy to give up my title here, for the good of socialism

Okay comerades, glad to be here...
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