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Wolfman
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posted October 05, 2005 06:19 AM

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It's sad to see that despite it's advancements, Chinese governement still have a tyrant style.


It's still communist, totalitarian China.  Although, they are moving more toward capitalism, as they see what works with it and they like what works.

[On another note...]
I'm reading this book called the Shark Mutiny by Patrick Robinson.  It is sort of about escalations with China.  I don't know what kind of books you like to read, Consis, but I thought you might like it as I was reading it.
[/On another note...]
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Consis
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Of Ruby
posted October 05, 2005 03:21 PM
Edited By: Consis on 5 Oct 2005

Hmm . . .

Wolfman,

In my own search for the truth, I've found gross malfeasance. I've come to be highly skeptical of books of that nature. For some reason, there are so many people who are practically obsessed with a war between the U.S. and China that they've abandoned logic and reason. Most of the misinformative tangent-oriented literary garbage seems to be economic paranoid delusional regurgitations. If they see any other global super power's GDP surpass America's and that's cause enough for war . . .

I will look into this book you have mentioned. My hope is that it will be more objective than those I have read so far. But I have to tell you I'm not optimistic. The sheer volume of blind obsessive economic paranoia is astounding. We must try extra hard to be especially objective. God knows fear won't deliver it.
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posted October 05, 2005 11:06 PM

Consis, I should have said this, it is a story set in 2007.  I think it's very well written.
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Roland
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posted October 07, 2005 06:27 PM

Tyrant

Long time ago I learned an English word which is Timocracy.
Today I rechecked it to remember its meanings.
And I found this:
2 : government in which love of honor is the ruling principle
http://www.webster.com/cgi-bin/dictionary?va=timocracy

In my humble opinion tyranny does exist within most countries, even in those that have democracy.

Love of honor rarely exists especially not in China nor in majority of other countries.


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posted October 29, 2005 07:51 PM
Edited By: Consis on 29 Oct 2005

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I've been playing a game of HoMM-III with a fella through the email from the Tournament of Honor. He's an older fellow from Philidelphia and possibly a war veteran. I'm unsure exactly. Anyway he and I play on turn per day and email it off to the other person. We've been playing for about 2-3 years now. He's a real nice guy and I'll keep his name private for now, since he didn't give me permission to post it.

Lately, we've been talking about communism and the height of the cold war because of the new movie that has recently been released called "Good Night & Good Luck". It's mostly about the on-air public debate of McCarthy and broadcast television guy named Murrow. Here's the email I recently sent him:
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You say McCarthy did have a point, but carried it to excess. I have done a lot of research in this matter because of my uncle. I have found that many Americans would agree with you. I feel that your opinion is consistent with the information I have come to discover. But also, there are many more distinctions involved with this particular matter, and regardless of those distinctions, you and most of the people I've talked with do still hold your opinion of the same merit. After having looked into this matter deeply, I have come to understand there are two reasons why anyone at all still talks about this subject today. The first is the cold war and its significance in our history. The second is the significance in this story as it relates to our American nationalistic patriotism. No one wants to believe that our soldiers (or anyone in our government) could ever go cold turkey on our nation and its people. I have read two books on this time era. One describes my uncle as being an opportunistic cut-throat traitor while the other describes him as being the last of two to survive the effects of a prisoner of war communist indoctrination. This is also called "brainwashing". The real truth of the matter lies somewhere in between. McCarthy did carry his agenda to excess but he was also representative of a malignant fear gripping our nation. Average American folks came to hear of the Rosenburgs, my uncle's communist prisoner of war coven, and many other minor personal privacy invasions on otherwise unsuspecting common citizens. Some people likened it to the historic "witch hunts" of the early 1600's but I disagree with that description. This was not a religiously driven disease. It was, in fact, more closely related to the founding of our nation when the colonists began collectively referring to themselves as "Americans". During that time, not everyone considered himself or herself an American. Many were loyal to the crown, which made them British, and many others didn't care for either. It was a cause born for founding a nation and creating a national identity. Today there are 21 American Korean War POW's who still live in communist China. My uncle and another named Dickenson, were the last to come home and eventually re-integrate themselves into our constitutional democracy. Our country remains as patriotic as ever but not without its fair share of scars left by a war in which most of the soldiers didn't even know what they were fighting for. McCarthy was indeed excessive but he also became the rallying point for all those Americans who thought the war was over after we bombed Hiroshima and Nagasaki. They wanted their sons to come home in victory and peace. And while it was a worthy cause to fight an evil communist empire, so too was it equally important to effectively get this message to the American people before going off to fight it. Soldiers were sent to prison after coming home from a prison camp, Americans' privacy rights were violated, nuclear proliferation came about, McCarthy championed a lost cause, and the world was about to come the closest it has ever come to global nuclear war in Cuba. They were tough times and many people were afraid. McCarthy played a very small part in the grand scheme but the damage he caused was irreversible. To this day my uncle has dealt with his pain through drinking and isolation. His family loves him but he will never forgive himself. I have thought about his funeral day. I wonder what I would say when that time comes. I've already spoken to his children whom he has never explained his story to. On that day there will be a lot of questions not answered and love not justified because of what happened all those years ago.

Your move . . .

All questions, comments, and criticisms are welcome.
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Consis
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posted November 07, 2005 07:04 PM

Thomas P.M. Barnett

I had the priviledge of viewing an interview with this man during the weekend Book T.V. showing on CSPAN. I thought it was very interesting. Some of his articles are actually web -logged here:

http://www.thomaspmbarnett.com/articles/index.htm

One of the things he said on yesterday's program was "the Chinese naval build up is world-class but not 'Blue Water'." He then went on to explain that they were spending large amounts of resources to build a very specific navy that had the capability to stop U.S. intervention of the issue of Taiwan. He said they weren't building a global threat of blue water nuclear subs.
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posted December 05, 2005 10:04 PM
Edited By: Conan on 6 Dec 2005

Civilian Contracts

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One of the things he said on yesterday's program was "the Chinese naval build up is world-class but not 'Blue Water'." He then went on to explain that they were spending large amounts of resources to build a very specific navy that had the capability to stop U.S. intervention of the issue of Taiwan. He said they weren't building a global threat of blue water nuclear subs.



They are building a non-military army too   .

And growing as a big country with a huge economy…

Hmmm ... that is triggering some thoughts and ideas in my mind about the situation around them.

"China signs multi-billion-dollar deal for 150 Airbus planes"

http://news.yahoo.com/photos/ss/events/wl/120505africaquake/im:/051205/ids_photos_
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posted February 04, 2006 03:47 PM

Question Posed From Israel Thread:

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If conflict resolution is dictated by which party has the biggest gun, how do you feel about China becoming the new military superpower of the 21st century?
~Nidhgrin

I think I am more frightened about this than I was about the cold war.
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posted February 05, 2006 02:56 AM

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"China signs multi-billion-dollar deal for 150 Airbus planes"


Thats not the important message. The important message is that within this contract, the have bought the knowledge to build airplanes on their own. Literally there is written that Airbus "must enable China to built airplanes". Period.

Means the European Union paid Milliards of its citizens money over the dekades to make an competitive airplane and then gave it away as a bargain to the Chinese.

Irresponsible! They just dont care...its just a guess how much money the politicians got for this dirty deal. One of the last High Technologies will go to China. And there peeps that get almost "nothing" for there 12 hours work, peeps that have no rights, will built it.

All u US American fear "Communism"....muahaha..you peeps dont even know a thing about the idea of "Communism". You just queek Mc-Carthy-Like if you just hear this word, close your ears, eyes and minds. But i want to tell you one thing: LEARN TO FEAR CAPITALISM ...maybe you feel save now...let another 10 years go by, and we will see whos right.

Btw. you talk about countries as "former communist states"...the truth is that almost all of them never had communisn ...furthermore they had "one party dictatorship". At least in USA uve two parties saying the same.


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posted February 05, 2006 04:16 AM

The thing is, China is working for it. In china, people save 40% of what they earn, and they want to help china become a great country.

Compare that with how we are. Decadence never gets you forward. Today people don't even seem to care about democracy anymore.. and we had such a good thing going, y'know?

All it takes for evil to triumph is for good men to do nothing.. or possibly watch tv and eat pie.

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Roland
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posted February 05, 2006 11:15 AM

Quote:
Quote:
"China signs multi-billion-dollar deal for 150 Airbus planes"


Thats not the important message. The important message is that within this contract, the have bought the knowledge to build airplanes on their own. Literally there is written that Airbus "must enable China to built airplanes". Period.

Means the European Union paid Milliards of its citizens money over the dekades to make an competitive airplane and then gave it away as a bargain to the Chinese.

Irresponsible! They just dont care...its just a guess how much money the politicians got for this dirty deal. One of the last High Technologies will go to China. And there peeps that get almost "nothing" for there 12 hours work, peeps that have no rights, will built it.

All u US American fear "Communism"....muahaha..you peeps dont even know a thing about the idea of "Communism". You just queek Mc-Carthy-Like if you just hear this word, close your ears, eyes and minds. But i want to tell you one thing: LEARN TO FEAR CAPITALISM ...maybe you feel save now...let another 10 years go by, and we will see whos right.

Btw. you talk about countries as "former communist states"...the truth is that almost all of them never had communisn ...furthermore they had "one party dictatorship". At least in USA uve two parties saying the same.




Ja Freund, mostly you are right, they are all the same bad guys with deferent names.
Chinese are trying to have technology in deferent ways, if you remember the spy American airplane that was shutdown (brought) over china in 2001, they fetched for every bit on the board:
http://www.bannerofliberty.com/OS4-01MQC/4-3-2001.1.html

I consider too, this a good article about the situation then:
http://english.russ.ru/politics/20010630.html

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Consis wrote

"I think I am more frightened about this than I was about the cold war."

If they Are all “smart” enough they wont go to war, the sad issue they are all working on calculation (gain or lose).
Also if you follow the history of china they never (as I remember) invaded other countries, they where having war amongst each other. Until in Qin (Ch’in) dynasty china was unified.

But we never know what might happen.


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posted August 04, 2006 08:35 PM
Edited by Roland at 20:39, 04 Aug 2006.

The differences

An eye witness, this time he is a BBC reporter talking about the differences between a “democracy” country: India.
And a non one China, which are

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posted August 05, 2006 12:41 AM

Hmm . . .

Interesting article Roland. Thankyou for the link. I find it curious to see how the world feels it necessary to compare mega-tropolises. We Americans have our New York. And from what history has taught us:

High per capita population = High risk for terrorist attack (on a global scale)

Competition? My next question is: "Of what sort; the number of human being that can fit into a small enlcosed space for extended periods of time?" I want no part of it. My answer = Space is Infinite = Human Expansion
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posted August 05, 2006 07:21 PM
Edited by Roland at 19:24, 05 Aug 2006.

You are welcome

Mostly I don’t like cities, for their crowds and pollutions (also I was raised in the capital Beirut, but it was much calmer then).

“”Competition? My next question is: "Of what sort; the number of human being that can fit into a small enclosed space for extended periods of time?" I want no part of it. My answer = Space is Infinite = Human Expansion””

Greed control us, that is the sort, we all Know it.

Human expansion, I agree (very cautiously) with that. But on what cost.
I see it in many places, on the cost of nature and its inhabitants like this example.
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posted August 06, 2006 09:15 AM

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Taiwan, the final bastion of Chinese democracy, will soon see the communist-run Chinese majority flex it's military might and overwhelming membership with new anti-secession laws to justify the use of force to uphold communism as the national form of governing. And what will the rest of the world do? Will we all sit and watch as the freedom of some 22.7 million people is taken by force? Will we watch as these now free peoples get brutally swung back under the boot of a communist-ran government? This is sad. China is a country of more than 1.2 billion people. I don't understand how a communist regime of only about 60 million can dominate such a vast expanse of people. Now we will see what the world will do while communist China makes plans to take back control of Taiwan. Soon the world will see a battlefield that will dwarf the Iraqi conflict and bring about yet again a renewed sense of global fear in communism.

I am hoping the United States of America will offer sanctuary to all Taiwanese who ask for it. It is the least we could do. But to those who would stay and fight for their home and their strong ties to ancient Chinese legacy, I can only hope for them. I will hope that the Chinese people rise up against their own government to take back their own country. I will hope for their children and their homes. I will hope for their survival in the face of overwhelming odds. They need a miracle.

You know too little about China,you are not qualified to comment on China and its Taiwan.

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posted August 06, 2006 03:03 PM

Ok

You are right. I know nothing. Perhaps you could enlighten us about Taiwan.
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posted December 20, 2006 09:43 PM
Edited by Consis at 21:47, 20 Dec 2006.

New Adoption Laws For Foreigners

*~(copy/pasted from CNN website--then edited by Consis)~*
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China is imposing new restrictions on foreign adoptions, barring applicants who are unmarried, obese, over 50 or who take antidepressants, according to U.S. adoption agencies.

The move comes amid a surge in foreign applications to adopt Chinese children. The United States is the No. 1 destination for children adopted abroad, but the number going to Europe and elsewhere is rising. Americans adopted 7,906 children from China in 2005, raising the total since 1989 to 48,504, according to the Joint Council on International Children's Services in Alexandria, Virginia, an association of adoption agencies and parents' groups.

Rules take effect May 1
Under the new rules, only people who have been married for at least two years will be eligible to adopt. Beijing previously allowed adoptions by unmarried foreigners. Among other restrictions, couples must have a body mass index -- a measure of obesity -- of no more than 40 and be age 30-50, with people up to age 55 considered for children with special needs. The rules bar parents who take medication for psychiatric conditions including depression and anxiety or have a "severe facial deformity."

Many Chinese children adopted abroad are girls who are given up by couples who, bound by rules that limit most urban families to one child, want to try for a son. Others are left at orphanages or by the roadside by unmarried mothers or poor families. A sharp increase in foreign applications for adoption has led to a backlog in approvals, with waiting times rising from six months in early 2005 to as much as 15 months now, according to adoption agencies.

This makes me think of the Final Fantasy VIII storyline. Orphanages and the children whom find themselves there is a very gripping chord that tugs on my deepest sensibilities. I feel drawn to this direction of thought often enough to worry about such things.
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