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Angelito
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posted March 08, 2005 09:48 PM |
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Ok guys...looks like we have a solution for version 1.4  (2 Ancient Behemots + 1 Roc (Thunderbird, OgreMagi)
But still there is a different solution for version 3.2
To be honest, i didnīt check exactly if there exits a solution for 1.4, only wanted to hear the solution(s) for SoD version......if u find the solution, u get the clue why it is a bit tricky.....perhaps..
Edit: ....and the idea about portal of summoning wasnīt a bad one either..
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pacifist
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posted March 09, 2005 10:48 AM |
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So the portal of summonning cannot be used? Because otherwise there is a better solution (2) instead of a different one (another 3 combo). I don't see clearly what is allowed and what not. Must the creatures be specifically from the dwellings in a same town (excluding portal) or can for example be used creatures coming from heroes when they are hired (an alchemist with golems in a necropolis town for example). Also a hero that surrendered with troops and is rehired in another town with them . Clarifying this could help us not to look in directions that are not allowed (even if not specifically forbidden either).
An example: A fortress town. I take 2 chaos hydras with the elixir of life (2 * 316) and I see Josephine in tavern with some golems. Since the golems (not alive) don't benefit from elixir of life they will have only 34 hp. 316*2 + 34 = 666 hp. Is that allowed?
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tigris
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posted March 09, 2005 02:12 PM |
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@Pacifist:I thought about that too, but it the task was clear: the critters must belong to the same castle 
In the end i think there is no 2 critters combination that will work for SoD.(IMO)
I tried finding a combination of 3, using the vial and still failed
2AA and one Griffon makes 667 though..Loll
@Angelito:tomorrow is the deadline if i'm not mistaken, right?
Hmm..this is starting to work nicely!(although not very sucessfull for me yet)
Maybe you should make a sort of ranking system or something and post the results at the end of the year of so(this will be a motivational bonus to whoever wants to join)
Looking forward for the next Q as i'm too dumb to find a good answer to this one!
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pacifist
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posted March 09, 2005 03:37 PM |
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Yes, that's what I thought first too but I was looking for a solution of 2 creatures maximum since 3 is already done with version 1.4.
I was misleaded by the sentence "Name a solution for version 1.4 and a solution for 3.2 (if it is different from the other)."
In my understanding a different solution is a solution with fewer creatures since the same number is already found. The question was "the amount of creatures" not the different minimal combinations. So the solution is a number only that we can illustrate with an example. I didn't see the point to look for an example of 3 creatures combination in SoD since version 1.4 already has them. Angelito insist on something tricky too and I found 3 simple hydras (175 hp in version 1.4) with elixir of life have 666 hp (3x 222). Since this is simple I suppose there is a better solution. Thats why I'm looking for weird things, interpretations, etc,...
Ok, so we have to find 2 creatures from the same town in SoD that have 666 in total....Continuing searching
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pitsu
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posted March 09, 2005 04:07 PM |
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Edited By: pitsu on 9 Mar 2005
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Indeed there are more 3 creature solutions (1 BD + 2 red dragons with +2 health for example). But for 2 creatures their average HP must be ca 263 with elixir of life or 329-333 without it. Even skipping the one town rule such combinations are rare Since only AB, BD, titans and neutral dragons can bring the average over 260. Right?
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tigris
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posted March 09, 2005 05:07 PM |
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I'm still thinking of a combination between 2 neutral town critters.A faerie and something else.
A faerie with the vial should have 629 HP, only a 37 hp short, so a creature with around 27 Hp reqierd unfortunately all i can think of(boars, nomads,mummies) have 30 hp.
@second thought:Maybe we are not looking in the right spot.Apart from the combo art, what other changes are there between RoE and SoD?
I think some critters have different health(i'm sure some critters cost more) and AFAIK the lizzard warrior is one of them.Maybe we should check that out!
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FireSpirit
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posted March 09, 2005 05:28 PM |
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I checked from the RoE Manual and am pretty convinced that there is no creature that has 666 HP with Faerie Dragon.
Am I right when I say that Undead, Mechanical and Elemental creatures are unaffected by the 25% bonus, but the bonuses from the other 3 artifacts affect them? In that case Iron Golem adds the HP up to 668 and a Cerberos goes to 664.25. Curses.
Wait...
From Portal of Summoning (if allowed):
A Faerie Dragon with 500 HP and a Behemoth with 160 HP plus Ring of Life and Vial of Lifeblood!
500 + 160 + 2 * (1 + 2) = 666
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Pacifist
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posted March 09, 2005 06:26 PM |
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Hehe, right but that has already been proposed . I don't think Angelito allows portal of summonning since you can then bypass the "belong to same town" restriction. There must be something weird still since he warned us of a trick somewhere....
I was looking with hero vs hero fights and orbs or combo artifacts in each sides (vulnerability, inhibition, etc,...) but still nothing new since those orbs don't affect the health of creatures (or the undead, mechanical status in regards to the elixir) and don't counter the effect of the elixir since it's not spell like. Special grounds, anti-magic garrisons don't do anything special either...But, yes!! there is the ...no, false hope .
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Angelito
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posted March 09, 2005 07:23 PM |
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Hehe, right but that has already been proposed . I don't think Angelito allows portal of summonning since you can then bypass the "belong to same town" restriction.
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Nope, this has NOT been proposed before. There was somehting with Faerie and beholders or harpies, but the math was wrong in both cases.
And the 2 tricky things in that question were on the one hand, that the elixir of life wonīt work as combo on undeads or non-life creatures (so 2 Archangels and 1 mummy give also 666 hitpoints with the elixir of life..) and on the other hand to use the "portal of summoning". Thatīs why i responded first time as it was mentioned "Nice idea..." and in my clearing post on this page, i also mentioned in the edit "....wasnīt a bad idea either"...what means the same as "good idea".
So there is only one solution for SoD, and firespirit was the first to mention...good work here
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Pacifist
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posted March 09, 2005 07:32 PM |
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On the post nbr 6 I say :
Does a creature hired in a town belong to that town in your mind? If yes, there is a possibility with the portal of summonning in the Dungeon. A faerie dragon + a behemoth and the +2hp and + 1 hp artifacts: 503 + 163 =666 hp . That's for 3.2, for 1.4 I don't see less than 3 for now. Or maybe I'm going too far?
That's why I supposed you didn't allow portal of summonning because I proposed a solution for 2 creatures there .
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pitsu
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posted March 09, 2005 08:08 PM |
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Edited By: pitsu on 9 Mar 2005
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On the post nbr 6 I say : A faerie dragon + a behemoth and the +2hp and + 1 hp artifacts: 503 + 163 =666 hp . That's for 3.2, for 1.4 I don't see less than 3 for now. Or maybe I'm going too far?
I second that, it WAS said and I have been aware of this combinations since post#7. (edit: replay 6 post 7 if I am counting right)
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FireSpirit
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posted March 09, 2005 08:59 PM |
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I seem to have missed that. But the solution is found, everybody cheer for Pacifist!
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Angelito
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posted March 09, 2005 09:49 PM |
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Quote:
On the post nbr 6 I say :
Does a creature hired in a town belong to that town in your mind? If yes, there is a possibility with the portal of summonning in the Dungeon. A faerie dragon + a behemoth and the +2hp and + 1 hp artifacts: 503 + 163 =666 hp . That's for 3.2, for 1.4 I don't see less than 3 for now. Or maybe I'm going too far?
That's why I supposed you didn't allow portal of summonning because I proposed a solution for 2 creatures there .
Ok..sorry...i didnīt noticed that...i thought u were refering to the harpy post...
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csarmi
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posted March 09, 2005 09:56 PM |
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I think these questions are way too unclear Angelito!
Fun anyways.
but still --
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Angelito
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posted March 09, 2005 11:03 PM |
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Yeah youīre right csarmi.
Problem is, i donīt want to make it too easy...and tough riddles are hard to create. Would welcome some input from members here as well.
Iīm working on my third question since yesterday....hope i can make it a bit clearer...
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pitsu
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posted March 09, 2005 11:57 PM |
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The first question in whether you, as the library master, have to know the exact answer or not. If you chose to have the knowledge, you have to work hard to make it hard for other experienced players or hide the simple answer in a neat way. Maybe something like MM riddle games on CH. But you can also generate questions without knowing the exact answer by yourself. The problem in that case is that there may be no exact answer, but it nevertheless gives people something to puzzle about.
my 2 cents
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