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SubArrin
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posted June 11, 2010 04:20 PM |
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I don't think it's ego. Rather they have different view of the Forge. If they were work together the biggest problem would be 'Whoes idea is better'.
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Ivan
Known Hero
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posted June 11, 2010 04:24 PM |
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Uhh, don, the Pyromaniac Generator is actually already there: it's the building that looks like a pool of lava, located just above the Tavern. The original Pyromaniac Generator concept was different- see, for example, Might & Magic Wiki's page: http://mightandmagic.wikia.com/wiki/Forge_(town), but in the end the design was changed and the final version was the one used in the town screen. Anyway, it's great to hear that you have much less work to do now- the sooner we get the Forge the better 
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don_komandorr
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posted June 11, 2010 04:31 PM |
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Uhh, don, the Pyromaniac Generator is actually already there: it's the building that looks like a pool of lava, located just above the Tavern. The original Pyromaniac Generator concept was different- see, for example, Might & Magic Wiki's page: http://mightandmagic.wikia.com/wiki/Forge_(town), but in the end the design was changed and the final version was the one used in the town screen. Anyway, it's great to hear that you have much less work to do now- the sooner we get the Forge the better
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humans with flamethrowers who live in lava pool... just think about it - it's so illogical. And That is a reason why we will make pyro dwelling based on first concept art. From other hand lava pool will be one of the special structures, so it still will be on a screen.
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ItachiBrolly
Adventuring Hero
Child Killer
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posted June 11, 2010 04:38 PM |
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I don't think it's ego. Rather they have different view of the Forge. If they were work together the biggest problem would be 'Whoes idea is better'.
They couldve made a poll on whose view is better
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Hobbit
Supreme Hero
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posted June 11, 2010 07:06 PM |
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The original Pyromaniac Generator concept was different- see, for example, Might & Magic Wiki's page: http://mightandmagic.wikia.com/wiki/Forge_(town), but in the end the design was changed and the final version was the one used in the town screen.
How do you know this is the final version? I'd say it's rather beta or gamma and it would look different in AB if released.
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And That is a reason why we will make pyro dwelling based on first concept art.
Will it fit with the townscreen?
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They couldve made a poll on whose view is better
Yeah, and then everybody will agree with this poll and there would be only one team which will make Forge... What an optimist. 
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Cepheus
Honorable
Legendary Hero
Far-flung Keeper
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posted June 11, 2010 07:26 PM |
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How do you know this is the final version? I'd say it's rather beta or gamma and it would look different in AB if released.
It wasn't the final version. But it was the latest one NWC produced, and is the only official one we've got.
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humans with flamethrowers who live in lava pool... just think about it - it's so illogical.
Call me a purist, but whether it's illogical or not, it's still the Forge. Anything else is just fanfiction.
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"Those who forget their history are inevitably doomed to repeat it." —Proverb, Might and Magic VIII
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Ivan
Known Hero
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posted June 11, 2010 09:20 PM |
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Edited by Ivan at 21:21, 11 Jun 2010.
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By "final" I meant, of course, the latest NWC released- we never saw the Forge in-game and thus cannot know if changes were planned, but since the town screen contained all the buildings, changes were unlikely IMO.
Making the lava pool "one of the special buildings" doesn't make too much sense as the special building's already there- it's the Oil Pump.
How many special buildings are you planning? Please don't divert from the original Forge too much.
Also, you mustn't turn Tesla Coil into some kind of overpowered defense tower. Come on, we all know it was planned to be the Grail building- it just mightily stands out from everything else, like every other Grail building does. At least don't change that.
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Alustor
Famous Hero
ooo da :)
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posted June 11, 2010 10:31 PM |
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Please don't divert from the original Forge too much.quote]
why not?this is not the original and the creators may do as they please
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Ivan
Known Hero
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posted June 12, 2010 12:45 AM |
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They may and will do as they please, but many of us here would like the Forge to be kept as faithful to the original as possible. Slight diverting from the original idea must be tolerated, but fanfiction shouldn't overpower that which was intended by the game's creators.
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Alustor
Famous Hero
ooo da :)
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posted June 12, 2010 01:23 AM |
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diverting from the original forge doesn t strictly mean overpower
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don_komandorr
Known Hero
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posted June 12, 2010 05:57 AM |
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but since the town screen contained all the buildings, changes were unlikely
town screen doesn't contained all the buildings - there are NO any special structure. There are no citizens houses. Background is jusa an ugly piece of crap 
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How do you know this is the final version? I'd say it's rather beta or gamma and it would look different in AB if released.
I'm glad there is a person, who understand our position.
After all this screen is FIRST DRAFT.
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Will it fit with the townscreen?
yes
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Call me a purist, but whether it's illogical or not, it's still the Forge. Anything else is just fanfiction.
So... units are fanfiction, heroes are fanfiction, story is fanfiction.
Any problems with this?
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it's the Oil Pump
We haven't its graphics anyway.
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Warmonger
Promising
Legendary Hero
fallen artist
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posted June 12, 2010 06:53 AM |
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Ivan
Known Hero
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posted June 12, 2010 09:33 AM |
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Just to clear things up, I know I'm in no position to criticize anything. This is not NWC's work any longer, so the ones working on the project can alter things as they please. While we must respect that they want their ideas realized, they should be aware of the fact that we "purists" want the Forge to be as close to the original as possible. After all, this is neither Grove, Bastion, Cove, Vori or any other fan-made town.
Now, what's the problem with the background, don? Is it's quality poor or do you just find it ugly? Because, it is meant to be dark and gloomy. It represents a postmodern faction with no beliefs, ideals or ethical principles. This would place the Forge in direct opposition to the Tower faction in general, and especially to great idealists like Gavin Magnus and Emilia Nightheaven.
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OxFEA
Promising
Famous Hero
feanor on DF2.ru
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posted June 12, 2010 12:08 PM |
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Is it's quality poor or do you just find it ugly?
It is not striking at town with all buildings, but:
Background and some first-week buildings.
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Salamandre
Admirable
Omnipresent Hero
Wog refugee
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posted June 12, 2010 01:21 PM |
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It seems a lot of resources are need to build the forge buildings
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Ivan
Known Hero
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posted June 12, 2010 02:40 PM |
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Well... that's Deyja. Deadlands, black dirt, no vegetation... what else could you expect in the land that used to controlled by the Necromancers? Yes, the Necropolis' background has more hills, but it's terrain instills an equal feeling of hopelessness and depression. Deyja in Icelandic means death... fitting, eh?
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Cepheus
Honorable
Legendary Hero
Far-flung Keeper
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posted June 12, 2010 02:45 PM |
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It doesn't matter anyway - if one of these five or six teams ever actually manages to complete the Forge (odds are they won't, but there's always hope), it's a fairly simple task for someone else to cobble together a mod giving the town back its correct graphics.
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"Those who forget their history are inevitably doomed to repeat it." —Proverb, Might and Magic VIII
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Salamandre
Admirable
Omnipresent Hero
Wog refugee
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posted June 12, 2010 02:47 PM |
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At this point, I doubt many care about the fiction behind.
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Ivan
Known Hero
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posted June 12, 2010 08:21 PM |
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The fiction behind... what do you mean? If it's the storyline you're reffering to, I'm sure most fans want the Forge to be recreated because of it's place in the original storyline- what else could motivate people to play an ultra high-tech faction that seemingly has nothing to do with HoM&M? If folks wanted to play Sci-Fi Heroes, they'd just create a faction based on Star Wars, Star Trek or any other similar franchise.
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Salamandre
Admirable
Omnipresent Hero
Wog refugee
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posted June 12, 2010 08:39 PM |
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With so few new things available since years, I don't think we can permit our selves to be exigent with "stories behind". Make something, if looks good, will be played. Who reads anyway?
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