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Aculias
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posted April 13, 2005 09:16 AM |
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Consis Realization
In life you cant understand everythang.
It's to hard to understand 7 no one really knows what life is about.
Your being a hater right now COnsis & your letting it get to you too.
I was similar in ways when i was younger because i was actually close to alot in here back in days.
Thangs change tho & so do people when we get old we grow up with new environments 7 responsibilities.
Rememember 7=& 
Your no therapist & even sometimes people need ways to trust another to share more.
You can be the nicest guy in world but dont mean everyone likes you.
We live in netherland See I can say our lives evolve around the Brady Bunch but that would be a lie.
We live in a world of hatred & nice people.
Alot of good people 7 alot of bad people with diferent beliefs & religion.
The more religion we have the more hatred there will be.
Thats the reality.
It's really sad but you cant expect everyone to thin ksame, our history is the outcome of how people think about another person in a race because of how we evolve around history & thats our fate is what our fathers gave us good or bad.
& thats how we realise how diferent we are from the other person & thats why Bort is not as open as us.
Try to understand Consis before you go down on yourself because you expect people to like you because you are a good guy.
Some people are jealous of the good guy & it seems bad people always win.
Not just in here but in RL too.
Sometimes you just need sit down 7 think about why people dont do what you do & think about why people cant understand the way you think.
Maybe it's because of history COnsis 
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Consis
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posted April 13, 2005 04:42 PM |
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Hey Aculias,
Yeah you're right. It's hard for me sometimes you know...I've spent most of my life as a soldier; first with boyscouts, football, and then in the Airforce. I've always had to rely on the relationships with the man standing next to me. That's what has brought me to this point in life. But now after having gotten married with children and all...I'm a fish out of water if you get my meaning. Sometimes I just wish I could go back to the military and maybe this time take up a front line job. That's a job filled with people I'm comfortable being around. It's good that we can talk Aculias. I've always liked you. 
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Svarog
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posted April 14, 2005 02:30 AM |
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We live in netherland
I thought you lived in the States. Hmm, that explains why you post sometimes like u've smoked hard.
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I've always had to rely on the relationships with the man standing next to me.
Ah well, sometimes next to you, sometimes behind you..
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Leo_Lion
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posted April 22, 2005 07:42 AM |
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Way to be the voice of reason Aculias...That was a very good Post and showed lots of character & understanding.
The same praise goes out to you Consis, I admire your ability to "figure yourself out".
It's a funny thing though how men enjoy each others company as comrades, friends, & brothers...but then our wives or girlfriends want us to spend lots of time with them. So, we compromise and miss a couple of "boys night out" in order to sit beside our beautiful women and not have them nag at us.
But then a funny thing happens once our women get pregnant. They shift their focus away from us and onto the children. Not only does that translate into less intimacy, but also into less general attention. I have heard this from a variety of men and have sort of felt it myself.
Now, this is where the funny part comes in. The men, having compromised for so long and so often in order to spend time with their partner, now feel lonely and neglected. These men get so conditionned to beeing by their woman's side that when she isn't there, they feel the same way that the woman used to feel before she had children.
So, instead of going out with their buddies or enjoying their "alone-time", these men start building up resentment and frustration. They basically turn into wussies or vent their feelings through anger or infidelity. I'm not saying that this happens to everyone, but when it does, I find it very unsettling.
Any feedback, guys or gals?
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*Take care, Leo
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IYY
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posted April 22, 2005 07:47 AM |
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Don't know if it's the late hours of the night, or the alcohol, but Aculias is still not making sense to me, even though he's trying. I don't know which side to pick... I got annoyed with Consis' posts from time to time, but I don't see exactly what the argument is here... Um... Maybe I'll figure it out tomorrow.
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Consis
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posted April 22, 2005 08:20 AM |
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IYY...
It is a strange thing to understand Aculias. His writing is absolutely awful. It's barely even readable. And yet...somehow...I can understand every word. I don't know how I can, but I do. I suppose I am Han Solo and he is Chewbacca. When he growls, roars, and forms guttural moaning sounds, I can somehow translate it into english.
Aculias was telling me to relax. He was saying that there are more important things in life to worry about than my enthusiasm here at Heroes Community. I took his advice. I am reading more books and spending less time worrying about why bort(or anyone for that matter) keeps a secret identity. It's not me to be secretive or to hide my true identity. I was born me and when I die, I will die the person I was born as. I have accepted that other people think differently.
Aculias was saying that life is good but only if you take the time to enjoy it.
Leo_Lion,
You are correct. This is true for me as well. I am always thinking and trying to figure out what I can do to be involved with my wife. Disconnection is a great enemy of modern marriages. Women give up the man for the child instantly without a second thought. It is instinct. But inside they are saying that they will come back to their man after some time. The problem is they don't actually speak the words and so the man is left to wonder if she has abandoned him. Stay involved. Find things to work together on. This is my advice.
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Leo_Lion
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posted April 22, 2005 06:29 PM |
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Grrrl! Growllll! Mmmmmmmm....
Roarrrr! Burppp! Blarg....
See if you can translate THAT, Consis!
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*Take care, Leo
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Consis
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posted April 22, 2005 10:20 PM |
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Edited By: Consis on 22 Apr 2005
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Hehe
Leo_Lion,
I believe you have said: "The princess is locked in the tower....They've let Hydra out of its cage.....She's in great danger.....and the castle is located east New Brunswick.
I have only just today made another realisation. When taking my son to the bus stop, I met a man who stands there at the same location waiting for his son to come home from school. His son is the same age as mine. They are both in the same learning grade, kindergarten(before first grade). But this man's son does not ride the same bus as mine. He must ride a different bus because he does not speak the english language. He, his father, and his entire family speak only a Mexican dialect of the Spanish language. They call it Espan~ol but it is not the true Spanish language. It is a Mexican dialect.
When I walk up to the bus stop and see him I walk right up to him and tell him my name. I ask his name and he looks confused. He says he is "poquito-engles". This means he knows only a little english. I tell him I am "poquito-espanol". He smiles and nods his head. He touches his chest and says 'Armano'. I nod and smile. Then he looks at me inquisitively and asks "poquito espanol?" Then I say "Se, mi familia Tejas". I tell him I am from Texas. When I say this his eyes light up and he seems to understand a great deal about me all of the sudden. I smile and point to him, "you?" He says Mexico city. I say "Ohhh".
Since my son has begun school, this man has stood far away from the bus stop because he cannot speak english and is afraid to speak to myself and the other parents who stand and wait for our kids to get off/on the bus. Sometimes him and sometimes his wife. But this is not right.
I did not grow up in Oregon, which is predominantly white protestant. I was raised in Texas and many of my friends were "hispanic" Mexican-Americans. This is a very very different culture but also a very common Texas-American occurence. As I grew up in Texas I learned the customs and traditions of Mexican-American families. They are much more focused on large families whose tradition is strongly rooted in specific customs.
One custom of a true traditional Mexican is that boys should not look their father in the eyes when getting scolded or being told to do something. This was the opposite of traditional white western men of Texas. To not look my own father in the eyes when he was angry was to imply that I was ignoring him. When I played football in highschool my coaches would constantly get very angry with some Mexican players because when the coach would yell something out, the boy would stand up straight and turn his head so as not to make eye contact.
Another cultural difference is the behavior of women. I have had two girl-friends of south American ethnicity. One was Mexican and the other was Panamanian. In both relationships each girl would make it a habit to ensure that food was prepared especially for dinner. I found this odd being raised with a strong-willed mother. In both cases, each girl would even make it a competition with either the sister or the best friend; whose food was prepared better. All of this would always take place in the house while their mothers were doing the same thing for their fathers and brothers. I also learned that in Mexico, a man has the legal right to divorce his wife if it can be proven that she has let her physical appearance slip too far out of acceptance. Mexican women are not legally allowed to get divorce at current.
And of course, it goes without saying that most Mexicans are catholic. The houses I have been to have always shown/displayed a very South-American touch to the Mexican-American catholic culture. Everyone knows this already.
These kinds of people have been a very influencial part of my life. I've had friends, relatives, and girl-friends who were from this culture and nationality. After I went to the bus stop today, I realised this was what brought me to be so cynical with bort. This was a great realisation for me to understand. It's simply how I was brought up. Even when my friends would turn their eyes or head to not make contact with the elder male yelling, their posture was proud and strong; and it seemed to strengthen their relationship within the family. Face-value is of great significance and importance to a Texas-born young man who's had such a profound Mexican-American experience. I think this is a noble concept. When a person disagrees with you or is angry, I think it is better to stand your ground but not insult him or her. Waiting until the person is finished yelling before calmly replying implies that you are an equal person with the courage to face the consequences of a disagreement. I think this makes for a strong character. I'm never afraid to show people my face. In fact, I believe that if I didn't then some people might think less of me as a coward. Even if I am the guilty, I believe it is better to face judgment standing up straight with your head held high. This is also true for most Mexican-Americans. The bond between family members is considered the most important, second only to God. It's a kind of familial link that gives them strength to face the challenges of everday life. I am not catholic but I have always respected the importance and significance of this religion as a major part of the lives of the people I grew up with. They have influenced me to be more honest and respectful even if they are not my ancestral relatives.
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Leo_Lion
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posted April 22, 2005 11:37 PM |
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Consis, I found your bus stop story to be very touching...especially about making that man feel more "at ease" in his community.
It's also nice to see that you were able to get to the root of your perspective in respect to this issue with Bort & anonymity. But, when I was reading your explanation and reasoning, I was expecting you to also say something about the opposite of your situation. I was sort of hoping that you would extend an olive branch out to people in Bort's position because there is also something to be said about their situation.
I'm not sure if you were going to say something about that on your own time, but I'm just pointing it out.
Growllll....grrrrr...howlllll!
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*Take care, Leo
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Leo_Lion
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posted April 23, 2005 12:07 AM |
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I really like how this interesting discussion was sparked by Aculias...good on ya mate!
It would be nice to keep hearing good things like this from you Aculias...you have a very honest outlook on life that can sometimes be "in-your-face", but can also help others figure themselves out...like Consis did here!
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*Take care, Leo
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Consis
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posted April 23, 2005 05:52 AM |
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Edited By: Consis on 22 Apr 2005
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*sigh*
I can imagine the opposite perspective for abortion, homsexual people, and even Republican conservatives. But for some reason. I am incapable of thinking of reasons why a person would retain such anonymity. It baffles me.
Maybe if you were on a witness protection program I guess. Or maybe you're afraid of tomorrow. I don't know
Maybe it's because I know bort has honor in real life. And I have to be very honest with everyone, there really isn't hardly many people who behave with honor in real life. It's as if I am the only one I know of in my neighborhood. Leo_Lion you seem like you are a very honorable person. I already feel like I know you. I am content in knowing that someone who is honorable also shares an interest in Heroes Community. That's enough for me.
I have been thinking something else as well. There are two kinds of people in this world:
1. C.I.A.
2. F.B.I.
The first is an honorable information researcher and controller. The second is the kind of person who loves to be out on his/her feet dealing directly with people. The F.B.I. are some of the best street cops in my country while the C.I.A. is filled with anti-social intraverts whose actions reflect upon themself with great honor.
Maybe bort is C.I.A. and I am F.B.I.
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Aculias
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posted April 23, 2005 06:21 AM |
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Your doing it again.
Who cares what Bort does if he dont want to tell us then thats his right & privledge.
Your family & kids are more imprtant.
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Consis
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posted April 23, 2005 06:49 AM |
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Hrm
I think this is the reason I am here. People here can help me learn more about myself. Good people are at Heroes Community. I am 'realising' this.
Thanks Aculias.
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