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Valeriy
Mage of the Land
Naughty, Naughty Valeriy
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posted March 29, 2001 11:01 PM |
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Imagination
The original role playing games were based on imagination. Then the table games, they just tell a player what happens and a good player can see it vividly in his mind. Some players remember their adventures in such games many years since because the pictures that they saw in their minds were a part of them. Then the computers appeared, enhancing the RPGaming experience by taking care of all the stat calculations and displaying texts quickly with easier navigation. But recently the computers took over our imaginations by actually providing all images and not leaving much left that is not already drawn. The trend of human creativity fades? Players become spoon-fed rather than creating the game and being in it?
Hey that's not an offense to HOMM series, just a general thought. What do you think on this issue?
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TheDragon
Hired Hero
Father Of ALL Dragons
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posted March 30, 2001 01:22 AM |
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RPG
well valeriy i am 29 now...started playing RPG“s 10 years ago and its totally different to roleplay on comp.....i am playing RPG still - once or twice a week - and it beats the computer including homm by far cause its a game that brings u and ur friends together around one table playing a game with very much creativity imagination and fun....(i play rolemaster, mers, earthdawn, shadowrun, vampire, warhammer, DSA, midgard and a few more).... i dont think the computer can get u that kind of fun and being with friends and sharing ur imagination with them like RPG`s do.....NEVER!!!!!
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The_Dragon
Player also known as Boomi
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wizardboy
Known Hero
Look ma!..a glowing ball...
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posted April 01, 2001 09:52 AM |
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imagination......
hey dudes!!!
I totally agree with you guys. But one cannot do much about it cause technology is getting better by the second because they will not simply give up on this great creation(computers and other great stuffs). The more advance our technology is, the more lazier we all. Enventually we will all be useless idiots that relies on technology for the rest of our lifes.
although many board games are being replaced by the original is always better than the new ones. eg aoe instead of chess and many other ones....but i think these 'old' games getting more attention too because it requires us to use oue imagination! although i like homm and other great games that is played on the computer i nevertheless will go back to these 'imagination' games like chess and (the best)magic the gathering!!
although we take technology for granted because it is helping us is many ways but one day we might just have to go back to the traditional ways.
(hope this helps)
regards wiz
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SirDunco
Responsible
Supreme Hero
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posted April 01, 2001 04:48 PM |
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True
I agree with all off you. The problem is that people are just getting lazier. They don't want to think. I like computer games, but still the rope playing games started in your imagination. Just for example: You could create millions of games just like Homm or MM in your mind for no cost. Then you would also miss out on the competiton between you and the computer or other players. I fell strongly about the both.
SirDunco
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Valeriy
Mage of the Land
Naughty, Naughty Valeriy
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posted April 01, 2001 09:41 PM |
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Yeah, although it seems we haven't totally lost it, look at our Altar of Wishes, we're imagining a whole new game there  I've heard somewhere that laziness is the main drive of technological progress. We lie down there and make up ways to get things done with the least effort possible  But did that make us do less in the end? Today's life is much more stressful then two thousand years ago I suppose. The balance shifts to the head, everyone has to do so much thinking nowadays, but not necessarily imagination
By the way, what do you think about the fact that we create more problems for ourselves? For example games are problems that we make ourselves solve.
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Be an example of what you want to see on HC and in the world.
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pluvious
Promising
Adventuring Hero
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posted April 02, 2001 11:51 AM |
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maybe...
Personally I never have problems with my imagination...but I can't speak for everyone. As far as homm goes it really allows me an outlet to some of my creative energies...there is really a ton you can do with map-making, and my tournament of course. But most people just play the game so I'm not sure if that enhances the imagination in anyway.
Basically I'm not sure if its the technology or if people have always been the way they are...???
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...Pluvious...
-The Storm Before the Calm-
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SirDunco
Responsible
Supreme Hero
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posted April 02, 2001 01:35 PM |
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Homm
It is true that this game is something different. You can do allot with map making! Then if you own Heroes Complete(like me) you have a buch of campaings and scenarios. You don't realy need a turnament(no offense)but maybee just one hot seat or network opponent.
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Shae_Trielle
Honorable
Famous Hero
of Heroes
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posted April 03, 2001 11:05 AM |
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Brain Dead?
Funny thing imagination, I guess it fuels our creative desires and essentially gives us passion. I used to play AD&D when I was in Year 9 at highschool and the fact that it was so reliant upon imagination and acting and drew such vivid pictures for all involved was one thing that made it such an enjoyable experience. What I found in Heroes, and especially on the Zone is that everybody seeks 'the one way', the best method of playing, which is (in essence) ultimately imagination-destructive. Most TOH maps I have seen have absolutely zero creativity (feel free to kill me about that one!) and are all about arts, stats and building up a huge army before the day of armageddon. The maps have no history, no creative detail, no reason for the battle, something that I would find much appreciated if map-makers would only take the time to add a little flair to their work and make it original in substance and not just in mass land shape and object placement. Call me a fool, but with most players around having deep roots in the fantasy genre, I'm surprised there hasn't been a calling for more imagination...
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MatronBaenre
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SirDunco
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Supreme Hero
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posted April 03, 2001 02:44 PM |
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Paradox.
Yeah,
Eventually we all will become brain dead. Now if you relly so much on cpu games then why do you say what you just said. I agree with you, but you have got to understand that people no longer wan't the vivid way, they want the easy and short way. Still you are right. People will get so lazy they won't learn , won't work, won't read the only thing they will do is sitt around doing nothing or talking. Just like in the book The Time Machine from H.G. Wells ses book.
Sir Dunco
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rychenroller
Promising
Supreme Hero
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posted April 04, 2001 11:07 AM |
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I have played D&D for years, Ihave DM'd several campaigns, some that took years, and I was revitalized by the recent release of 3rd edition D&D, but I can safely say I enjoy playing computer games more. Why would that be? I love roleplaying with a passion and all the above points are quite valid, but I'd rather jump on the pc, maybe its the visual aspect, or the fact the obligations are less or whatever. Dunno exactly why, but there you go
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Myctteakyshd
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Shae_Trielle
Honorable
Famous Hero
of Heroes
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posted April 09, 2001 01:23 PM |
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What Obligations?!
Now I'm not saying that we need to be story authors to sit down at the computer and play a game of Heroes, I'm just saying that a lot of the TOH stuff, especially the maps, lack creativity. It takes obligation on the part of the MapMaker, not the player to be inventive about things. For us, the players, the enjoyment should already be there, it's a win for us and a win for the mapmaker. As things stand now, TOH should be changed to TONI (Tournament Of No Imagination).
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CGChewie
Hired Hero
Master of the Obvious
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posted April 11, 2001 05:52 AM |
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Technology=Good!
I find that technology has only been good to me. I live out in nowheresville in Michigan. Nothing but corn and trees where I live. Thus, pretty hard to get a nice game of Dragonstorm(Anyone know that one?), Bushido(A Japanesse RPG), or any other games Ian, my best friend makes up. Sure there's school, but who wants to hang around the "geeks" with their "non-alethic fun"?
I can remember trying to play a pong-look alike by myself because both my parents were working at the time. It wasn't very much fun. Then came... Online-ness!!
I was about 6 or 7 at my first experince of "online gaming". It was a completely text based game. Typically RPG, "you slash for 4 hit points of damage!" There was around 300 players, or so I would guess. Keep in mind that this was VERY primitive. There was a log in and password to get on/in. However, you could just make up a name and pass and you'd be set. Also it was completely in text, like in IRC. There were a couple really games on it, like a food fight and the one I was mentioned. However, there was a limit to what you could do. You could only fight 7 monsters or 3 people. This was to keep from insane level building or to keep the lines free, after all, it was a local straight rate.
After I have said all this, what have I said? I.. don't know. I forgot what the topic was actully... Something about technology... Oh well. I'll just press the send button and hope that someone reads this...
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And I'm spent!
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CGChewie
Hired Hero
Master of the Obvious
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posted April 11, 2001 05:55 AM |
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I also see that I must now see doubl spaces! 
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And I'm spent!
~CGChewie
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thunderknight
Promising
Famous Hero
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posted April 11, 2001 06:54 AM |
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I also think that the PC games today lacks imagination like the old ones. Having playing RPG and SLG for 10 yrs, those good old games still get a seat in my mind.
I personally think people today are "lazy" (no offense), they even want to have the easiest way in playing games. Perhaps real life is too stressful for us and we have suffered too much frustration at work. We don't want any "failure" even in a game. But what is the meaning of "win" and "loss" for game playing ???? (  maybe I am away from the subject).
Look around, now it is a "trend" for those real-time games like AOE, starcraft, C&C or alike. Nevertheless, I don't enjoy them coz they don't leave any space (or only very little) for you to think. You got to compete with TIME. The quicker you are, the higher the chance you win. Memorize the hot-key, using the all familiar strategies and then "fight" with PC or human online, get a victory but feel emptyness. Maybe people enjoy "quick game, no thinking, visual/audio entertainment/excitement" more today.
For the "fading" turn-base games (my favorite type of game), Homm series seems to do well. One thing I really appreciate is the imagination of the Homm fans/players.
I personally think that gaming is all about "fun" or "enjoyment". People may enjoy strategic games because they can create things and win the game (or not win if they wish) by different ways. People may also enjoy heavily-structured RPG games, play the game the designer want they to play and the fun lies on the appreciation of the creativity of the game designers. Nevertheless, I found a lot of games today are just copying, taking the elements from some popular games. The game designer don't put effort and the players just want some "cheap" victories. Disappointed.
Well, I think technology is good.Thx to it, we can enjoy the high-quality graphics of games. But technology is only "servant". We are the MASTER ! (or maybe only God IS)
BTW, if you have played some games which you think are really interesting and enjoyable. Pls tell me. For more people play and enjoy a game, it is more enjoyable.
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rychenroller
Promising
Supreme Hero
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posted April 11, 2001 01:24 PM |
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I am lazy
I would rather grab some icecream and sit at the pc
Then i dont have to worry about spending 20 hours/week organizing an adventure
I hate having ppl over for a roleplaying session, they eat all my chips
I hate it when ppl critisize the adventure I have spent the above 20 hours preparing
Then they say "I killed 20 goblins..and all i get is a +1 sword?"
"Don't snow at me!" I say "Go kill a Tarrasque and I'll give you Plate mail of Etherealness"
The pc doesnt snow
It takes up time...a game of heroes...but i dont have to do any work for a result, just concentrate a bit.
Like I said, I am lazy
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Myctteakyshd
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SirDunco
Responsible
Supreme Hero
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posted April 11, 2001 03:39 PM |
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Of course. We all are lazy. To much technology is eventualy going to destroy us all. That is the fate of the human kind.
Sir Dunco
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Zud
Promising
Famous Hero
box worshipper
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posted April 11, 2001 05:13 PM |
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Lazy here is ok, its not the fall of civilisation
I hope you are not trying to say that being a little lazy for our entertainment is showing the decline of civilisation. geeze, its more work than most who flop on the couch and watch tv all night, (and that's ok too) I think rychen is saying this is good entertainment and he gets good "utility" from a game of heroes vs all the efforts and less "utility" from an RPG game. this may not be as social, the cutie you have had your eye on isnt going to throw u down after a game of heroes, She could stay around and shed her ethereal platemail for the dungeonmaster tho  but heroes is a great entertainment value
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rychenroller
Promising
Supreme Hero
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posted April 12, 2001 01:38 PM |
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Hmmm now there is a thought thanx to the almighty zud...instead of the mundane stuff...maybe i should give a lacy bra of Frost Giant strength as treasure next time or a +3 G string, that would liven things up.Btw i love roleplayying...but I'd rather heroes. I still do both u see
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Myctteakyshd
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Shae_Trielle
Honorable
Famous Hero
of Heroes
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posted April 12, 2001 03:05 PM |
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You guys just keep getting it WRONG! What are you? Brickheads?! All I'm saying is that Heroes doesn't need to be BORING! I'm not asking you guys to liven it up with stuff, I'm just saying that the MAPMAKERS (you know who you are!) can spend a little more time on your stinking TOH maps to make them more interesting and more imaginative! Sheesh, I love technology, I love Heroes, and I love creativity, why can't we have all three?
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SirDunco
Responsible
Supreme Hero
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posted April 12, 2001 03:50 PM |
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Decline
No Zud what i mean is that this lazyness is going to grow bigger and bigger over time until ... Blam... we will end up as unliterated and LAZY creatures just like in H.G. Wells book : The Time Machine. I mean not right no Zud. After a few hundred years.
Sir Dunco
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