|
| Thread: DOES Inferno really suck like everyone thinks? |  This thread is pages long: 1 2 3 4 5 · «PREV / NEXT» |
|
patriot_pulsar
Adventuring Hero
|
posted May 22, 2005 10:54 PM |
|
|
Stiven we are not trying to make u like them we just trying to proove that they are good, what we did proved was that they are much stronger then everyone think
And maretti u cant just say that they are sux without anyreasons thats mean that u cant find any reasons why they still the worst town of all Prove ur point first foo
Maybe it will be good and we might listen to u
____________
Once i believe i can make impossible happen and i will beat angelito
|
|
Sir_Stiven
Honorable
Legendary Hero
banned
|
|
posted May 22, 2005 11:05 PM |
|
|
Quote:
Quote:
ya i still dont like em either
Stiven you like nada besides ramp/castle gras heaven
haha add to that the shak attack then... and fortress is the town i like playing the most now. Stronghold is getting more and more fun as i usually play poorer templates.
castle is actually next to inferno the town i dislike the most to play.
if poor area and crappy starting army you have to first build and then upg. archers to be able to clear up area. And thats usually 2 days lost just to get an army. and its a waste of about 2,5k gold.
you should get back to playing andi, maretti here is claiming your spot as the best stronghold player
|
|
maretti
Responsible
Supreme Hero
|
|
posted May 22, 2005 11:26 PM |
|
|
The reson inferno sucks is this:
They start with a pathetic army, imps are the weakest lvl 1 creature and gogs are pretty bad shooters.
The starting area (lava) is just bad. Often huge areas of lavaflo and u cant get crypts or, as far as i know, stabels.
The troops are very expensive, one thing is that u need a lot of gold, another thing is that u need huge amounts of mercury which is the hardest resource to get because of the low quantity u get in imp caches.
Their heroes arnt the best. Of course Marius is decent but my experience is that they have big problems getting any other magic than fire.
Yes u can make a lot of demons but its not that easy. First of all u need money to buy troops to make into demons, then u gotta make a lot of chaining with slow troops so u will very often spend exstra time on it which u could have used on scouting or other things.
And finaly arch devils arnt very good lvl 7 creatures for main fights because of their low hp.
All this leads to the fact that in most cases u will be dead before u get ur 300 demons.
Hope this explains it, otherwise I have to prove it to u in a game
|
|
Aculias
Responsible
Undefeatable Hero
Pretty Boy Angel Sacraficer
|
|
posted May 22, 2005 11:35 PM |
|
|
Speed is thier access Maretti, You can master thier speed to conquer some of your oponents.
Mass slow especially on Strong hold or Fortress creatures can result in a win over speed of your troops.
____________
Dreaming of a Better World
|
|
maretti
Responsible
Supreme Hero
|
|
posted May 22, 2005 11:51 PM |
|
|
|
They might be good if u get all troops upgraded and buy full army, the problem is usually u dont have the time u need.
|
|
DoddTheSlayer
Promising
Famous Hero
Banned from opening threads
|
|
posted May 22, 2005 11:53 PM |
|
|
Marreti. If you play a skilled inferno player in the zone you opinion will change.
____________
Retaliation is for the foolish. Silence is wisdom
|
|
maretti
Responsible
Supreme Hero
|
|
posted May 23, 2005 12:11 AM |
|
|
|
hahaha i dont know any skilled inferno players, but if u know any i will be glad to prove my point.
|
|
tigris
Supreme Hero
Supreme Noobolator
|
|
posted May 23, 2005 08:38 AM |
|
|
hehe
For starters i agree with Maretti, Adevils really suck in endfights.Against clearing the map though you can pull some tricks off that are virtually impossible to do with any other castle(IE:horde nagas for a week 2 day 1 break on Jebus ).So IMHO with a bit of luck Inferno can be one heck of an opponent for castle in such maps.As for unit price, starting units and so much other aspects i see they have been disscussed, no point in debating those.IMHO on randoms nowdays it is useless to demon farm(unless playing with diplo vs necro) and devils are the the main advantage.I'd say 1 devil can win you most fights especially if exp slow is available.
Also IMHO building a strong hero fast, by clearing the map early is the key with playing this town.
____________
|
|
Aculias
Responsible
Undefeatable Hero
Pretty Boy Angel Sacraficer
|
|
posted May 23, 2005 10:26 AM |
|
|
Usually when I play Inferno & i suck at inferno, I would do anythang not to play with Inferno in random picks but, I admit i am a builder more then a rusher but i can rush with a few Devils easily.
Inferno if you can master the devils can be nice rushers.
____________
Dreaming of a Better World
|
|
nevermind
Famous Hero
|
|
posted May 23, 2005 10:59 AM |
|
|
i challenge anyone that thinks inferno sucks
to play against me try to handle my estimate of a 20-2 record while playing them
____________
|
|
nevermind
Famous Hero
|
|
posted May 23, 2005 11:32 AM |
|
|
now letz contradict everything marreti says:)
"They start with a pathetic army, imps are the weakest lvl 1 creature and gogs are pretty bad shooters."
not true,inferno's starting army is not worse or bad then any other starting armies, gogs are ok shooters,if u have castle for example and don't wanna upgrade ur archers they are worst at week 1,imps are weak but with 5(6 on lava) speed they are one of the fastest lvl 1's and can take on many units up to speed 6
"
The starting area (lava) is just bad. Often huge areas of lavaflo and u cant get crypts or, as far as i know, stabels."
no you can't get crypts and not stables but that doesn't make empty spaces lava land is just as rich as other lands and i have no trouble finding the money to build what i need in poor templates.
"
Their heroes arnt the best. Of course Marius is decent but my experience is that they have big problems getting any other magic than fire."
their heroes are the best demoniacs have highest chance to get logistics which is maybe most important skill
and true u do get offered fire alot but u can get other magics.
"
Yes u can make a lot of demons but its not that easy. First of all u need money to buy troops to make into demons, then u gotta make a lot of chaining with slow troops so u will very often spend exstra time on it which u could have used on scouting or other things."
true but if u focus on deamons as ur main unit for example i rarly upgrade to arch devils and focus all money on deamons that way i save 15000-20000+ anyone else would spend on upgrading his lvl 7's on more deamons
"
And finaly arch devils arnt very good lvl 7 creatures for main fights because of their low hp."
who cares about arch devils when u have 200+ deamons!
____________
|
|
Sir_Stiven
Honorable
Legendary Hero
banned
|
|
posted May 23, 2005 02:07 PM |
|
|
Quote:
not true,inferno's starting army is not worse or bad then any other starting armies, gogs are ok shooters,if u have castle for example and don't wanna upgrade ur archers they are worst at week 1,imps are weak but with 5(6 on lava) speed they are one of the fastest lvl 1's and can take on many units up to speed 6
lol this is the biggest crap ive heard about inferno. Point is imps make no serious dmg and they die like flies in a freezer. Even if they are fast you will lose imps in basically every battle as they make no good of a powerstack.
Quote:
no you can't get crypts and not stables but that doesn't make empty spaces lava land is just as rich as other lands and i have no trouble finding the money to build what i need in poor templates.
Bullsnow part 2, if you generate randoms just in mapeditor you will see that lava usually have lots of lavalakes and such and as pointed out is very low on banks to clear. Except imp caches which is a pain on lava as familiars speed 8 will move first unless you got efreets and even then all imp stacks have a speed of 6.
Quote:
their heroes are the best demoniacs have highest chance to get logistics which is maybe most important skill
and true u do get offered fire alot but u can get other magics.
pyre is great if allowed born log, marius is good, adv. offense girl is good and ignatius is ok.
Except that... demoniacs level nowhere as good as for example barbs and fortress beasts.
Quote:
true but if u focus on deamons as ur main unit for example i rarly upgrade to arch devils and focus all money on deamons that way i save 15000-20000+ anyone else would spend on upgrading his lvl 7's on more deamons
lol...
if you and maretti decide to play, why not make it an allied so i can see this first hand?
|
|
DoddTheSlayer
Promising
Famous Hero
Banned from opening threads
|
|
posted May 23, 2005 03:29 PM |
|
|
About fire magic. For inferno it is useful for demon farming to have things like inferno and fireball spells for.
The reason is that once you hero becomes high in stats your demon fodder stacks could actually win your battles instead of dying. so you help them along with spells.
Expert Fire magic means you do more damage which means less mana from fewer castings. Naturally expert earth and meteor shower would be better, but i would rather have tp or res for that spell slot.
My point is Fire magic is underated. Please don't tell me that mass curse and expert Blind are a waste of time.
They are a great help to your lower hp Archdevils.
____________
Retaliation is for the foolish. Silence is wisdom
|
|
nevermind
Famous Hero
|
|
posted May 23, 2005 04:26 PM |
|
|
answer to sir stiven
letz stop argueing about the stupid imps becuase by day 4-5 u have efreets which are best level 6 unupgraded perhaps inferno's starting army are abit weaker then most but that only last for 4-5 days , if thats ur reason for thinking they not a good town thats rediculus
on my second statment its easy to say yes\no but only testing will deside it,so i generated 10 random maps on XL true random with lava(inferno) vs grass(castle which is considered best terrain by most)
without choosing any spacific map. And viewed them all score was 4-4 about who's first zone is richest with 2 zones that were about equally the same and could go either way based on crypt sizes.
(well i guess that proves that missunderstood issue)
on 3rd statment i see u agree yes demoniacs maybe not best , maybe they are they have good heroes anyway
on 4th statment u said "lol" which has no true meaning i can only conclude u agree with me
p.s if anyone wants to see the maps i generated i'd be happy to upload it somewhere,hmmz but where? this forum has an upload option i can't see?
____________
|
|
gnohmon
Adventuring Hero
|
|
posted May 23, 2005 04:41 PM |
|
|
Okay, here's what's wrong with Inferno: Devils aren't fireproof!
It's illogical. :-)
(Edited to add smiley and avoid the whooshing sound as the joke passes over somebody's head.)
|
|
Sir_Stiven
Honorable
Legendary Hero
banned
|
|
posted May 23, 2005 05:37 PM |
|
|
Quote:
letz stop argueing about the stupid imps becuase by day 4-5 u have efreets which are best level 6 unupgraded perhaps inferno's starting army are abit weaker then most but that only last for 4-5 days , if thats ur reason for thinking they not a good town thats rediculus
on my second statment its easy to say yes\no but only testing will deside it,so i generated 10 random maps on XL true random with lava(inferno) vs grass(castle which is considered best terrain by most)
without choosing any spacific map. And viewed them all score was 4-4 about who's first zone is richest with 2 zones that were about equally the same and could go either way based on crypt sizes.
(well i guess that proves that missunderstood issue)
on 3rd statment i see u agree yes demoniacs maybe not best , maybe they are they have good heroes anyway
on 4th statment u said "lol" which has no true meaning i can only conclude u agree with me
p.s if anyone wants to see the maps i generated i'd be happy to upload it somewhere,hmmz but where? this forum has an upload option i can't see?
lol are you for real?
Just look what you are saying, first infernos starting army isnt "more worse" than any other town. Then all of a sudden you agree that they are crap? Then you bring up efreets?? that was our point in the first place.. you cant clear area with your starting units as they suck so you need to buy more units. geez...
and if you even try and claim that grass and lava has the same richness i would really like to know what you compare on? number of gold piles?
Grass usually have several waterwheels&500gold/5gems locations, lots of different banks and particular crypts.
Saying that they are equal seen to richness then is plain n00bish.
And maybe my point didnt come across, inferno has 3 decent heroes and one good as main. I think every town except perhaps tower has a better set up than that. And demionacs level up poorly.
I wouldnt call that agreement.
And the fact that you keep on raving about your demons and obviously seem to exclude for example archdevils simply makes no sense.
For demonfarming to be effective you need
1) dwellings&2nd town. If 2nd town is necro as it is on many templates your only option is farming on your own low lvl units.
2) lots of cash in start so you can keep a decent build, getting more armies to fight (see first "arguement" above) and be able to upg. and recruit your pits as soon as possible.
and btw, these "tests" of yours prove nothing as you just aswell could pick the "lucky" ones
EDIT:
just generated some templates with my new allied template desertstorm as RMG.
in 4 loads infero had 2 banks all together, one dusa store and one dorw treasury.
in 4 loads castle had 15 banks all together, about half of em crypts.
When it comes to number of gold piles/unguarded chests inferno approx had from 3/4 to 4/5 of what grass had.
as for other towns in the tests, snow and swamp as i also tested shared about 5/6 of the grass gold amount and were equal in banks number.
|
|
DoddTheSlayer
Promising
Famous Hero
Banned from opening threads
|
|
posted May 23, 2005 06:38 PM |
|
|
Quote:
Okay, here's what's wrong with Inferno: Devils aren't fireproof!
It's illogical.
What are you talking about? I am talking about using inferno vs the map to help destroy your fodder for demon farming. Who in their right mind would let their devils get in the way of a self destruction spell.
as long as the attacking unit can only reach your fodder, that is all it will attack, so you dont need any other of your valuable units to be involved.
The only difficulty is as Stiven says. How to get your fodder.
Well in this case i think overall Inferno has disadvantage unless there is not a no diplo rule, which there usualy is.
With diplo, then inferno could be very strong.
____________
Retaliation is for the foolish. Silence is wisdom
|
|
nevermind
Famous Hero
|
|
posted May 23, 2005 08:30 PM |
|
|
ok i wanna clear something sir stiven
Every single statement i made referred to true random template which is the one i like the most and play the most.
Richness\demon making points could vary much on diffrent templates so what i'm saying is not general to every template.for example inferno would suck on bb template which has only necro second towns.
ims\gogs are enough for first 5 day clearing and can't do much better then other town nor much worst.
inferno's heroes are good and you are wrong about their level ups.
____________
|
|
patriot_pulsar
Adventuring Hero
|
|
posted May 23, 2005 11:50 PM |
|
|
Spy stiven is just staborn He always like that do not take it seriously
And about land lee just made a ew thread were u can see prove that grass is very rich yes but inferno always have more dwells Take it in count as well
And if u playing template which made on rich then u have more chances to have a dwell lvl 7 then with castle if i understood it correct
____________
Once i believe i can make impossible happen and i will beat angelito
|
|
Plexus22
Known Hero
|
|
posted May 24, 2005 03:05 AM |
|
|
|
Gogs suck but Magogs can be very dangerous with their firebal type blast shots. A decent stack of Magogs can do wonders for clearing out hordes level 1s.
|
|
|
|
