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Thread: Heroes 4 Beta!!!!!! [ This thread is 7 pages long: 1 2 3 4 5 (6) 7 ]
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Famous Hero
Elemental Druid
posted September 03, 2001 07:39 PM

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My brother thinks their language was developed from being drunk all the time. Itīs so blurry..

I don't want to hear more jokes about danish...
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Wyvern
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posted September 04, 2001 07:41 AM

Denmark/Nightmares

Preserver, are you Danish? I'm asking because tomorrow is the football match between Bulgaria and Denmark... We must defeat you but I don't think we will do it...
About the Black Wood and the Burning Trees - why should Nightmares be in a forest at all? I think they could be in a Death Valley or something like that.

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Elemental Druid
posted September 04, 2001 01:54 PM

Yep

Of course i'm danish!
I'm not that interestet in football, so it would be cool if Bulgaria would win...
(You may have a chance, cause they have sent a lot of bad news about the danish team on the danish channels lately)
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posted September 05, 2001 07:41 PM

It's good that even the Danish wanted Bulgaria to win but that didn't help us... I knew it!
Anyway, another Bulgarian PC magazine has an article based on the Heroes 4 beta. But it doesn't say anything new. I wonder if all the PC magazines in the world are told not to reveal much information...

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Your Ultimate Slayer
posted September 05, 2001 11:08 PM

Wyvern...

I'm curious where'd you get the info about the Black Dragon having more than 1000 HP!

Thanks for any response!
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Wyvern
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posted September 06, 2001 09:12 AM

I didn't expect this question at all. I think you just haven't read carefully because I have said that my source of information is a preview in the Bulgarian PC magazine "Gamers' Workshop". Anyway, I understand that people can't read everything - I will never read the Kuma's Tavern thread. Those are more than 400 replies after all!

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Elemental Druid
posted September 06, 2001 01:13 PM

Sorry...

...about the football game. I really hoped you would win...
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posted September 06, 2001 05:04 PM

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I didn't expect this question at all. I think you just haven't read carefully because I have said that my source of information is a preview in the Bulgarian PC magazine "Gamers' Workshop". Anyway, I understand that people can't read everything - I will never read the Kuma's Tavern thread. Those are more than 400 replies after all!



Thanks, I was just curious!
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posted September 07, 2001 07:04 AM

By the way, have someone seen other previews that say something more about HoMM4?

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Gabriel
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Tavern Dweller
posted September 07, 2001 08:19 AM

Quote:
Anyway, another Bulgarian PC magazine has an article based on the Heroes 4 beta. But it doesn't say anything new. I wonder if all the PC magazines in the world are told not to reveal much information...


What about the best Death school magic Life Leech - enormous damage on all enemies and percent of it healing the own army ?
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Tavern Dweller
The Misspleler
posted September 07, 2001 10:11 AM

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I don't know how 3DO have included those dragon golems!! Theu SUCK and they shouldn't be in the game no snowING WAY!!!!!


i'm sorry, i'm jist a nubie, but how do ya know that dragon golems suck? i've never seen any reports of what they'll be like in h4, an' altho i am an adnd roleplayer, i've nevr heard of the beasts. maybe you could direct me to some pertinent homepage, or to a thread in the heroescommunity.com ?

i din' mean ta put you off, it's jist that i've met too many people who say that somethin's this or that even tho they know close ta nuthin' on the subject...

thanks a bunch, and no offense intended...
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Famous Hero
Elemental Druid
posted September 07, 2001 08:19 PM

Dragon Golem

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i'm sorry, i'm jist a nubie, but how do ya know that dragon golems suck? i've never seen any reports of what they'll be like in h4, an' altho i am an adnd roleplayer, i've nevr heard of the beasts. maybe you could direct me to some pertinent homepage, or to a thread in the heroescommunity.com ?

i din' mean ta put you off, it's jist that i've met too many people who say that somethin's this or that even tho they know close ta nuthin' on the subject...
I think the main reason why many people already hate the dragon golem before they have even played the game, is that it's a mechanical unit, and does not belong in a fantasy game.

If you wanna se a screenshot of it, take a look at
http://www.hmm4.com/screens/pic_2.htm
There's a lot of other artworks of many heroes4 creatures. Enjoy...
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posted September 07, 2001 08:38 PM

And...

If you wanna read a dragon golem thread, there are sarumans "Dragon Golems. A good idea or not?" here in the Altar of Wishes...
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posted September 08, 2001 10:58 AM

This Life Leech sounds frustrating... I think that there was a spell in Might and Magic 7 and 8 - Souldrinker, that had the same effect. But I have never used it to see what does it do (because I didn't have a Grandmaster in Dark Magic and I didn't have enough money). So HoMM comes closer to MM. Not bad!

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Zapper of Toads
posted September 29, 2001 09:42 PM

Thought I should bring back this to the top...

... since the start of the thread contains quite a lot of intersting stuff.

Anyway to add some info if you check out the combat pick (Orcs and Trolls and a hero called Ritzil) on:

http://www.tothegame.com/screenshot.asp?id=10

It would appear that Ritzil can cast an "Armageddon" like spell that causes at least 180 damage to each creature on the battlefield.

Btw. I interpret the numbers so that the Trolls have 180 hp, and the Orcs have 12 hp. (The top number = damaged inflicted, the bottom number = creatures killed.)

And hrmm... doesn't Ritzil look very much like an Orc???
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Famous Hero
Elemental Druid
posted September 29, 2001 10:00 PM
Edited By: Preserver on 29 Sep 2001

The picture Djive is talking about
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from the Animated Peace
posted September 29, 2001 10:11 PM

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Btw. I interpret the numbers so that the Trolls have 180 hp, and the Orcs have 12 hp. (The top number = damaged inflicted, the bottom number = creatures killed.)
i am afraid that you cannot see the hp of the creature like that if there is only one creature in the stack and it dies.
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Zapper of Toads
posted September 29, 2001 10:17 PM

In this case you probably could ...

it looks like none of the creatures have moved, none of them are shooters... So the spell is the first thing happening in the fight. (It could perhaps be so that the Trolls have advanced, but likely have no blows been traded.)

Also you have Trolls in two stacks and both of them recieve the same damage. And all the Orc stacks also perish and they seem not to have been damaged earlier either. (All damage taken by them is divisible by 12.)
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from the Animated Peace
posted September 29, 2001 10:25 PM

i mean, if it's like it was in homm3, when you do 1000 damage on a stack consisting of 1 skeleton, only one skeleton dies.

the thing that might be a problem is that the orcs receive so little damage. maybe the orcs have some massive magic resistance?
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Zapper of Toads
posted September 30, 2001 07:57 AM

Assembled stats...

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i mean, if it's like it was in homm3, when you do 1000 damage on a stack consisting of 1 skeleton, only one skeleton dies.


Yeah, but look at the Orc stacks. One stack receives 120 damage another 48 damage a third 36 damage. It's way easier to explain this by there being 10 Orcs in one stack, 4 in the second and 3 in the third than anything else. The second number (under the damage) is I believe the number of creature that perished.

Quote:
the thing that might be a problem is that the orcs receive so little damage. maybe the orcs have some massive magic resistance?


Why would different stacks of Orcs have different Magic Resistance? And why would the Resistance still give damage numbers that are divisible by 12?

There's one more intersting item. The Hero seems to be Hit with the spell too, receiving 36 damage. In that case I would be tempted to speak about Magic Resistance, or perhaps the caster receives some protection from the spell.

I've assembled the values that Wyvern gave earlier in this thread, while adding what I've seen myself on other screenshots. I updated two of the dwarf values, at least the movement of 18 appears as clear on one of the academy screenshots I've seen. Of course most values are near to illegible so there's some risk of writing the wrong values.


Level 1.
Orc
12 HP

Bandits
14 HP
1-3 damage
21 movement
0 spellpoint

Wolves
12 HP
2-3 damage
21 movement
0 spellpoints

Dwarves
16 HP
1-4 Damage *
3 Haste
18 Movement *
0 Spell Points
0 Shots
50 Magic Resistance - specialty

Halflings
9 HP
1-2 Damage
6 Haste
14 Movement
0 Spell Points
10 Shots
Giantslayer


Level 2.

Gold Golems
75 HP
12-18 Damage
3 Haste
18 Movement
0 Spell Points
0 Shots
75 Magic Resistance. Mechanical


White Tiger
85 HP
14-20 damage
14 movement (this seems wrong... this is on the map. Parhaps it already have moved so this is remaining movement?)
0 spell ponts

Level 3.

Genies
145 HP
24-30
6 Haste
30 Movement
15 Spell Points
0 Shots
Flying. Spellcaster

Troll
180 HP

Nightmare
24-50 Damage
180 HP
18 Spell Points
Nightmares can cast Fear causing their enemy to lose their turn. Nightmares are also immune to Life Magic spells and take less damage from Life-aligned creatures."

Level 4.

Titans
610 HP
100-150 Damage
6 Haste
22 Movement
0 Spell Points
16 Shots
No Melee Penalty. Chaos Ward

Dragon Golems -
730 HP
120-180 Damage

Black Dragon
1100 HP
140-300 Damage

Behemoth
750 HP
180-275 Damage

Bone Dragons
550 HP
100-150 Damage

Archangels
575 HP

Archdevils
575 HP


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