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Heroes Community > Turban Tribunal > Thread: New thread ratings ?
Thread: New thread ratings ?
DoddTheSlayer
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posted May 22, 2005 02:47 AM
Edited By: DoddTheSlayer on 21 May 2005

New thread ratings ?

This is a suggestion that is being made with posters who have enough red stars to rate threads in mind.
Here is a question for you all.  
Have you ever read or participated in a thread that you wanted to rate , but were unable to rate because you could not find a term that decribes your thoughts towards that thread ?
I ask this because i have seen good threads which  have had lots of  participation in them that are several pages long that do not have a rating or a rating that does not really do it justice.
Examples.
A rebirthing flight has a thread in the tavern which is ten pages long  and a qp awarded but no rating. lots of
people keep coming back to it and the word ADDICTIVE comes to mind.
Same goes for some of the word games that have had lots of interest and just have a boring and uninspiring rating, WORD GAME.
Again in Bards Glade, mighty mage has a game 19 pages long with lots of different participants and no rating.
At preasent for me only a rating of ADDICTIVE really stands out as one that could make a realy usefull addition. So i am inviting any of you 5 star or soon to be 5 star posters to share your thoughts here.
Have you ever seen a thread that you badly wanted to rate and  not enough options so you either didn't rate it at all or you gave it one that didn't quite match because this is better than leaving it totally unrecognised?
If you have then what word was screaming out at you that would best describe that thread?  is there anything that you all feel would make a really useful addition, Or are you all happy with the rating system we allready have?

Your thoughts please.

OOps. This was meant to be a Turban Trbunal thead.
Sorry Mods.
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Khaelo
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posted May 22, 2005 04:10 AM
Edited By: Khaelo on 21 May 2005

First, is this thread intended to be in the Glade?  

Second, for the record, the available thread ratings are:
word game
chitchat
real world
real life
philosophy
poetic
funny
roleplay
strategy
community
inspiring
important
intriguing
informative
interesting
average
unrelated
spamfest
to delete


Third, to answer the question: No.  I just don't use the rating system.

The labels aren't all that useful.  The general labels are redundant.  Most threads in Other Side are "real world," most threads in Glade are "roleplay," most threads in the Wastelands are "spamfest," and so on.  Most threads everywhere are "average," though their creators would be dismayed to see it.  Furthermore, what's the difference between an "intriguing" thread and an "interesting" one?  Another problem is that there can only be one opinion stuck on a thread, and people have different reactions to threads.  I think Tossers Tavern is a "chitchat," but participants may think it's "funny."  Finally, we no longer have a sort-by-rating function.  So, what's the point of ratings?  Does anyone really judge a thread by its rating?

To make things worse, there is a Random Rating Monkey loose on HC.  This may be a five-star member who gives bizarre ratings for kicks, or it could be a software bug.  Either way, it makes the rating system look silly.  When you see enough irrelevant ratings (Attack Iraq as a "roleplay," for example), all ratings tend to go under the radar.  Same goes for interesting threads without ratings.

"To delete" could be a useful label to warn members that a thread is due for deletion, but right now five-star members can use it as well as mods.

Those are my thoughts on thread ratings.  I don't think we need more.  That said, it wouldn't hurt anything to add to the list.  I can ignore "addictive" just as much as the rest.  
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DoddTheSlayer
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posted May 22, 2005 05:04 AM

Interesting



I did not Know there was a random rating monkey. this definately casts a shadow over the idea.
To your question does anyone really judge a thread by its rating, well i personally have found myself more inclined to actually examin a thread that has a rating and i have also found it easier to find a thread whose rating i remember using that function that you say does not exist anymore.  It does work because i have tested it just now while making this post.
also this mention of Random rating monkey makes me wonder something.
I have always assumed that the rating system was a kind of poll where once there have been enough votes a rating is made based on the most votes.
Are you saying that the rating is determined by the first person to come along to a thread and give it one.

If that is the case then i don't see any value in having Any kind of rating tags whatsoever.  Of course nobody is going to take seriously any rating if it is the opinion of just one individual. So please could you clarify this for me BTW. if its not based on a poll then changing that would get rid of that monkey.
Sorry if i seem to be pushing something that is of no interest, but until i hear what all you elegible raters think then in my mind it is still a good idea.

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Khaelo
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posted May 22, 2005 05:21 AM
Edited By: Khaelo on 21 May 2005

Hmm, now that you mention it, I do see a Thread Filter on the forum pages.  Thanks for pointing it out.    I thought it was taken away.  That does change things somewhat.  A filter can help people find threads that are of interest.  However, that requires useful, specific labels -- i.e., "politics," "religion," "current events," or "personal stories" in the Other Side, maybe "variety pack."  We'd also need a system for keeping ratings consistent and making sure one person (or bug) doesn't throw everything off.

The current system:  As a five-star member, I see a Rate It! drop-down menu in the lower right hand corner of a thread.  It appears whether the thread is already rated or not.  As a test, I just changed "n00b tournament(s)" in the Tavern from a "roleplay" to "community."  This thread is now "intriguing."  I press Go, and it's done -- no vote required.  That's how easy it is for a single person to either fix or mess with thread ratings.  It's not even the first person who comes along.  It's any person who comes along and has the mod sword or five stars.
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DoddTheSlayer
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posted May 22, 2005 05:55 AM

Ok so we have a rating system that is found wanting.
Since i don't think scrapping it all toghether is ever going to happen, then it would make sense to examine ways
to improve it.
BTW. How far towards motivating members to make better threads do you think a good thread rating system would go.
If it goes a long way towards this then its worth working on.
Personally i think that if one day there were no more ratings next to threads that there might be less motivation to make good ones.
If there had never been any rating system in the first place, that is different, but once its there if you take it away it will have a big impact.
I know you are not suggesting that it should be scrapped.
What i am saying is. We are stuck with it, so lets get the most out of it.
Lets introduce a poll system. If Mods read threads anyway to see what is qp worthy then its not going to take up any more of their time to rate the thread while they are looking through it.
Khaelo. put it this way. If you knew that casting a vote could really mean something would you be more inclined to rate a thread.
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Khaelo
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posted May 22, 2005 06:24 AM

Direct answer:  Well, I'm not a huge fan of the QP system of motivating members to make good threads.  So you can guess my opinion on ratings for the same purpose.    The main use, in my opinion, would be organization.  It would be rather like a library:  The ratings would help people find a particular kind of thread.  Only if they didn't find what they were looking for would it motivate them to create a new thread.  In this system, the quality of the thread would not be rated, only the content.  That, I think, should be less subjective than the current mixed bag.  (The "to delete" option should still be available to mods, though.)

If that were the function of the thread ratings, I would definately participate.  I like organizing things.  

Rampant speculation:  Several forums have the same topics re-emerge time and time again.  We could have a separate set of labels for each forum.  So, for example, the Glade could have "game thread," "out of character," "signup," "proposal," "fiction," "miscellaneous," etc.  The Library could have "hero comparison," "town comparison," "technical problem," "official campaign," a label for each town type, a miscellaneous category, and so on.  Other Side is a bit trickier, but the categories I mention before could be a starting point.  The Tavern, of course, would be very tricky and the Wastelands near impossible.  However, I think that's fine.  Not everything needs to be stored in boxes.  If a thread went unrated, it would be because it didn't neatly fit in a category, not because it wasn't a good thread.  But having some boxes around will help someone who wants to find some religion threads floating around the Other Side, quizzes floating around the Tavern, or Fortress-focused discussions in the Library.  The residents of each forum could suggest labels that they think would be useful.

All of this depends on a) the coding capablity of having different labels for different sections and b) cooperation on the part of members.
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DoddTheSlayer
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posted May 22, 2005 08:59 AM
Edited By: DoddTheSlayer on 22 May 2005

LMAO Spamfest for this thread. Khaelo are you being ironic?
But this actually backs up my point. I have never had a thread rated before ,so now i feel motivated.

Well now, in line with what you are saying. How about once an effective way of rating a thread has been established, that the option to rate that thread is removed. Then if somebody remembers a thread by its rating while searching for it, they can rely on being able to find it whenever they want to look for it.
because the rating will never change.

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Leo_Lion
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posted May 22, 2005 10:44 AM

Dodd, you are on fire!

Lately you have been the Ty Pennington of Extreme Makeover: HC Edition. Good suggestions, bud!

And I like Khaelo's idea very much...a little organization never hurt anyone...unless we are talking about organizing an angry mob of course!
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Djive
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posted May 22, 2005 11:45 AM
Edited By: Djive on 22 May 2005

Yeah, the "to delete" rating is intended for the mods only.

Before it was available I used the "average" rating for markup for threads I might remove one day.

If you want a thread rating changed, then you can ask a moderator to change it.

5 red stars members are expected to be "honorable" enough not to start giving threads ratings which doesn't apply.

The thinking behind adding it was that moderators often don't have the time to rate all threads, and we probably don't want all threads rated anyway.

The only thing we can't do is to give a thread an empty rating once it has received one rating.

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DoddTheSlayer
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posted May 22, 2005 04:47 PM

Ah yes Khaelo's idea is good. A different list of ratings based on what is more applicable to a particular forum.
It never really occured to me to see this idea in terms of organising things.
I am motivation focused. WHAT!!! Not motivated by Red stars, but you have so many. come on you must have some reaction when you get one.  Or is it just "yawn ,yawn been there, done that" after you been getting them a while.
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