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baklava
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posted September 19, 2007 05:45 PM

Well, do you think that Hillary can do more for African American rights than Obama? If that's the way you put it.
I didn't like Clinton cause, well, he bombed me; I don't like Bush for obvious reasons - I would really love to see an ok American president now, for a change.
Hillary gives me the creeps, but Obama seems like a good guy. I really don't understand why Cons dislikes him so much.
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posted September 19, 2007 07:04 PM
Edited by violent_flower at 19:52, 19 Sep 2007.

Well Bak his disapproval comes from ignorance and the unwillingness to pull head from ***.  If you read his statements he goes from saying how the fact that he is black is enough to make him scat away and not vote for him regardless of how he would perform, to then stating that he thinks he is this great guy but has not lived in the ghetto so he is incapable of performing his job as a black man, then summarizes it up by saying Obama is not being himself and he has no idea about his own potential.

I’m so damn dizzy from reading his comments that I went and took a few Dramamine to keep from throwing up all over. He got caught in a whirl wind with Peacemaker and went from despising the black candidate to committing time to read the mans book, then trying to dig himself from the grave that Peacemaker buried him alive in.

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posted September 20, 2007 12:12 AM

I'm Waning

I have been seriously considering voting for Giuliani lately. I haven't decided yet, but I keep thinking about it. My biggest problem with Giuliani is that I know for certain, without question, that he will prolong the mess in Iraq longer than any other candidate.

And I apologize for confusing you Violent_Flower. It wasn't my intention. Perhaps that is what we all go through on some level when trying to decide whom to cast your vote for president. I do my share of back and forth with my top candidates as much as anyone.

Listen about Obama....at the end of the day, with all his contradictions, and all his romantic ideologies, there is one thing about him that he has always remained consistent in doing. One thing sets him apart from any other candidate ever in the history of all the people who have ever run for president. This one thing is so significant and so unquestionably true that it is the single most important reason why I consider Obama one of the good guys. He has and always will continue to be this country's most pivotal historical link between Africa and America. Former president Bill Clinton has said and repeated over and over that the one thing he wishes he could have changed about his presidency was Rwanda, Darfur, and other parts of Africa. At this point in the history of all of human-kind everyone everywhere in the world knows that there is no more pressing and immediate a problem as those found in Africa. It's not enough that celebrities and suburbanites send cash to Africa. It's not enough that Oprah built a single women's school there. Not enough by ANY measure of common human rights and decency. Obama is the one man on this entire planet who has the wherewithal, drive, and potential to bring the first real historic change of great significance in Africa. And if you are wondering....the answer is NO, Ending South African apartheid was not that significant. Neither was Freetown in Sierra Leone nor Kenyatta nor even Mandela. That's why Obama made the cover of Time Magazine. It isn't what he's done. It is what he could possibly do. Every american is terribly saddened by the events we've seen unfold before our very eyes in Africa. And it hasn't been some obscure history lesson or too far away thing that simply doesn't concern us either. It's all happened right here right now within living memory and still very much fresh, breathing, and thriving amidst our own American moral high ground. If we Americans are going to truly take on the problems of Africa and prove to the world that we are indeed as compassionate and merciful as we say we are then Obama is our man for president. No other candidate can do as much for Africa as we Americans know needs to be done. We already know what must be done. The question is will we vote for him. A vote for Obama is a vote to save Africa. A vote for Obama is a vote to reunite Americans with a piece of our own identity and history. I personally just don't know if I want to give my vote for Africa at this time. That's what this man is really all about, no matter what anyone else tells you.
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posted September 20, 2007 01:04 AM

Obamas father being from Kenyan in itself tells you that he definitely feels a need and responsibility to see that we take great strides in this devastated country. I feel that everyone could do a little instead of some people doing a lot to bring us on more even playing grounds with one another. My gut feeling is that he knows that he has a responsibility here first, in this country, more so I hope that is any president’s agenda.

He will not get voted in then just start taking up residency in Africa making it his life goal to make things prosper over there. His campaign for universal health care and finding the safest way to bring our boys home are just two of the issues that are leading the race this time around. He has a grip on both of those issues among others, and I feel that he will flood us with change and be the voice for all who wish to speak but are lacking a podium.

Plus, to be honest, Hilary has fat ankles.

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posted September 20, 2007 02:36 AM

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I have been seriously considering voting for Giuliani lately. I haven't decided yet, but I keep thinking about it. My biggest problem with Giuliani is that I know for certain, without question, that he will prolong the mess in Iraq longer than any other candidate.

Giuliani is basically a pro-Iraq War Democrat in Republican clothing.
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posted September 20, 2007 04:57 AM

You're right, Mvass, he's a social liberal and won't win the nomination.
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posted September 20, 2007 05:51 AM
Edited by Consis at 06:10, 20 Sep 2007.

Eh....

Giuliani is our only hope for defeating Romney. If Hillary is pit against him then she'll lose. If Romney wins the party nomination it's all over. I'll give up politics entirely if he wins. I simply can't stomach such an occurance.

It's all very clear now why American blacks feel such discontent with Obama. They all cut their ties to Africa a long time ago. And Oprah's efforts are nothing but an obsession with some romantic idea that she probably has about Africa, in which case her efforts have largely been funded by white suburban upper class people. Have You ever heard her talk about the time when she saw a lion killing something? She described it as a majestic moment. Her acolytes call her Momma Moses. That's her cult....but a good cult none the less. That's what Time Magazine saw in him. That's why American blacks are getting frustrated, they can see he's going to do more for Africans than for them. About Obama, you see....a person's vote is more powerful than any money you could ever give. I'm a religious person.....and I do believe in God. I believe God wants us to do the right thing and love our neighbors. I believe God wants us to put our efforts into helping Africans. However my personal beliefs are at odds with my conventional wisdom. There is a struggle going on inside me for this next vote and I am uncertain what I'm going to do. Salvation, that's how I see it. Do I care about my soul or not? That is the question.
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posted September 20, 2007 02:05 PM
Edited by mvassilev at 13:56, 24 Sep 2007.

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You're right, Mvass, he's a social liberal and won't win the nomination.

Now, I wouldn't go as far as to say that he won't win the nomination. If he doesn't talk about his social liberalism and focuses more on his anti-terror policies, he might well win the nomination.

By the way, here is a test to see your preference list of Presidential candidates. Here's mine:
1.  Theoretical Ideal Candidate   (100%)
2.  Al Gore (not announced)   (71%)  Information link
3.  Kent McManigal (campaign suspended)   (66%)  Information link
4.  Barack Obama   (66%)  Information link
5.  Ron Paul   (63%)  Information link
6.  John Edwards   (60%)  Information link
7.  Wesley Clark (not running, endorsed Clinton)   (58%)  Information link
8.  Christopher Dodd   (57%)  Information link
9.  Joseph Biden   (56%)  Information link
10.  Hillary Clinton   (55%)  Information link
11.  John McCain   (55%)  Information link
12.  Alan Augustson (campaign suspended)   (55%)  Information link
13.  Bill Richardson   (55%)  Information link
14.  Mitt Romney   (55%)  Information link
15.  Rudolph Giuliani   (54%)  Information link
16.  Dennis Kucinich   (52%)  Information link
17.  Michael Bloomberg (says he will not run)   (50%)  Information link
18.  Fred Thompson   (49%)  Information link
19.  Newt Gingrich (not announced)   (47%)  Information link
20.  Chuck Hagel (not running)   (44%)  Information link
21.  Mike Huckabee   (40%)  Information link
22.  Tom Tancredo   (39%)  Information link
23.  Mike Gravel   (37%)  Information link
24.  Tommy Thompson (withdrawn)   (34%)  Information link
25.  Sam Brownback   (31%)  Information link
26.  Duncan Hunter   (30%)  Information link
27.  Jim Gilmore (withdrawn)   (30%)  Information link
28.  Elaine Brown   (14%)  Information link

Of course, that test isn't that good. Here's my real list:
1. Gore
2. Paul
3. Gravel
4. Obama
5. McCain
6. Richardson
7. Biden
8. Edwards
9. Clinton
10. Giuliani
11. Hagel
12. Gingrich
13. Romney
14. Thompson
15. Huckabee
16. Hunter
17. Brownback
18. Kucinich
19. Tancredo
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posted September 24, 2007 04:40 AM

Mvassilev,

I like your choices. I wish I could vote my heart too. Some people might say you are an idealistic person.
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posted September 24, 2007 11:26 AM

Although I would like to see a female president, I just have my doubts about it being a Clinton.  Honestly, the way things are going right now, we would be better off if we pulled names out of a hat.  After we exclude anybody who ever held any type of government office that is.  Then do the same for every political office.  Heck put trained chimps..can't do much worse. It is not a two party system, it is a one party system that wears two masks.  They are getting to the point that you can't tell them apart.

If I had to choose I would go with Obama.  Maybe his lack of experience would actually do some good.
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posted September 24, 2007 02:00 PM

Consis: Why don't you vote based on your views?

Mytical: I agree that America is ready for a woman president, it just doesn't need Hillary. But not being able to tell Democrats and Republicans apart? They're extremely different. Repubulicans (for the most part) are fascists who want a theocracy, and Democrats (for the most part) are socialists who want to take from society's successes and give to society's failures.
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posted September 24, 2007 06:23 PM

I'm not a fascist, nor do I want a theocracy.
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posted September 24, 2007 08:24 PM

I consider the Democrats to be far more fascist than the Republicans. Republicans are anti big centralized federal government and favor localized government. How can that be fascist?

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posted September 25, 2007 03:38 AM
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I'm not a fascist, nor do I want a theocracy.

Well, there are the occasional moderates, as well. And no one admits to being fascist or wanting a theocracy. But if you want the government to enforce personal morals, then..

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I consider the Democrats to be far more fascist than the Republicans. Republicans are anti big centralized federal government and favor localized government. How can that be fascist?

No, the Democrats are communist-leaning. Most Republicans aren't anti-big-centralised federal government. Look at President Bush. Look at most of the Republican candidates. Romney's health care plan - big government. Tancredo's racism - racism is often a part of fascism. I could go on.
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posted September 25, 2007 04:38 PM

Please go on.

Tancredo's racism?  I hope you're not talking about him wanting to stop illegal immigration.  If you are, then I'm a racist, and a lot of Americans are too.  Illegal immigration is not about racism, it's about people breaking the law.  They are criminals, plain and simple.  I don't see shoplifters protesting in the streets for amnesty from their crimes.

I have no problem with Hispanics.  I do have a problem with people that disregard for the laws of my country.  If they do it the legal way, the way my ancestors did, then let them in.  What's the estimate up to now?  12 million?  12 million did not.
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posted September 25, 2007 04:46 PM

Agreed, Wolfman.  I don't like being branded a racist just because I'm not for general amnesty or because I want better border control.  It has nothing to do with race at all.  It just so happens that the country that shares all of our enormous southern border, where most of the problem is coming from, also happens to be hispanic.  I'd feel the same if England was to the south of us.

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posted September 25, 2007 09:47 PM

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Tancredo's racism?  I hope you're not talking about him wanting to stop illegal immigration.

Now, I'm against illegal immigration as much as the next guy. But did you know that Tancredo wants to stop legal immigration as well? He hates foreigners.

And I am opposed to amnesty.
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posted September 25, 2007 10:13 PM

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Repubulicans (for the most part) are fascists who want a theocracy

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I consider the Democrats to be far more fascist than the Republicans.

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No, the Democrats are communist-leaning.




Excuse me while I get my popcorns...

The main problem with democracy is that it always tends to come down to people randomly tossing eggs and tomatoes at each other
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posted September 26, 2007 08:44 AM

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The main problem with democracy is that it always tends to come down to people randomly tossing eggs and tomatoes at each other
Exactly. And the side that convinces the most people that their eggs and tomatoes are best wins the game. The entire process of presidential campaigning is a farce, yet the winner becomes the most powerful person is the world.....at least that's what they'd like you to believe.

They go around talking about all this stuff they will do, when in reality that can't do 95% of it because the president doesn't have the power to do it. Somebody needs to remind these people that Congress can tell the president what to do and he has to do it. But the President can only nicely ask Congress "please, please, please let me do what I want" and if Congress happens to be in a good mood they might say "OK just this once, but you have to eat your vegies first". 95% of these promises are about LEGISLATION which is the job of whom?  Hmmm, three choices, the executive branch, legislative branch or judicial branch. Tough one that.

Has anyone read "Making of a President"? I haven't read it, but I've always wanted to. Maybe it's too old to be pertinent, but I still think it would be a good read.

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posted September 26, 2007 09:39 AM

It is rumored that (and it is probably true) the next presidential race is going to cost in the Billions (yes with a B).  Now sure they get a salary of 250k+ a year for life, but I want you to ask yourself.  Are they spending all this money because they are just nice people?  No, they expect to get their money back, and then some.  How?  Think about that. It is a moot point, however.

Regardless of who goes in there, even if it was the best leader ever, and they were totally unable to be corrupted, nothing would change.  As mentioned before, the president actually has limited power, but gets all the credit (or blame) for everything.  In a way that is their job though.  To take credit or blame.  Lobbiest and special interests control the government.  Can't really blame the government tho, people start waving millions under your nose you might find yourself tempted also.  Even if we replaced every congress person, every senator, and the president it would change nothing.  Exhile the lobbyist, monitor all financial aspects of anybody who goes into office (for the rest of their lives) and maybe..but they would probably find a way.

No, as it stands now the government is broken.  It doesn't matter who gets elected.  It will be business as usual.  Democrat, Republican, Independant..all that will change is who the checks are made out to.  Call me jaded, but that is the way I see it.
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