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Peacemaker
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posted January 08, 2008 11:06 AM
Edited by Peacemaker at 11:13, 08 Jan 2008.

Paraform --

If you google each of their names (just the names) then you will probably find each candidate's website with write-ups on all their positions.  You will probably have to do each one individually.

Now on to New Hampshire:

(Honestly I never allowed myself to believe it could have been this good so far...)
http://voanews.com/english/2008-01-07-voa50.cfm
http://www.rasmussenreports.com/public_content/politics/election_20082/2008_presidential_election/new_hampshire/election_2008_new_hampshire_democratic_primary

Now I do believe we've got a serious shot at the presidency.

bort:  Obama is Generation Jones, like me. We were both children raised during the '60's, looking at the world during our formative years through the prism of the cultural revolution, the Viet Nam War, the assassinations of JFK, MLK and Bobby Kennedy. Since we were children, such events largely defined our world-view, just as the Iraq War, GWB, global warming, the "War on Terror" and the assassination of Benazir Bhutto largely define my son's emerging world-view. (Scary thought, isn't it?)

Since we were children during the Viet Nam War, you can't blame us for it.  And since the Boomers are responsible for the Iraq War, and people like me and Obama vociferously, even hysterically spoke out against that war from the beginning, you can hardly blame us for that one either.
http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Generation_Jones
http://www.jonathanpontell.com/aboutgenjones.htm
http://archives.cnn.com/2000/ALLPOLITICS/stories/03/05/generation.jones/index.html

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posted January 08, 2008 12:27 PM

Yeah, I'm not doing your research for you, Paraform.  Do it yourself.

Well, my candidate doesn't really have a shot at any state outside of New Hampshire so McCain is finished too.  Remember years ago, Peacemaker, when I said I wouldn't vote for McCain if he ran and now here I am disappointed that he's losing?
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posted January 08, 2008 03:48 PM

I really have no comment on any of the candidates and if I could vote for any, I really wouldn't vote. Nobody promices me anything.
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posted January 08, 2008 11:05 PM
Edited by Consis at 23:06, 08 Jan 2008.

ZOMG

Romney got pwned in his own flippin state! I don't care who wins now. As long as it isn't him, I really don't care.

But I do still have to vote for someone. My other candidate got blown away so I guess I'll go back to Hillary. I left her but not for very long.
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posted January 08, 2008 11:13 PM

Consis...Romney is from Massachusetts...
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posted January 09, 2008 12:03 AM

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I predict Obama takes Iowa by 7, loses New Hampshire narrowly, and smashes Hillary in South Carolina.


Man I'm good.  Really I should go into political prognostication as a career.  I wonder if there's any money in it....

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posted January 09, 2008 01:02 AM

Wolfman

I am confused. People on the news are saying that Michigan is his home state too. I don't get it. How many home states can a person have?
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posted January 09, 2008 01:05 AM

Sure there's money in predictions. Place $29 on Obama for the win and get a $100 payoff.

http://specials.slate.com/futures/2008/

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posted January 09, 2008 01:48 AM

Hey, Binabik.  Can you spot me 10 grand?  You know I'm good for it you turncoat hippy you.

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posted January 09, 2008 02:41 AM

10G is a lot of money. I'll have to think about that.

Maybe one day I'll explain why/how a hippie republican is not an oxymoron.

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posted January 09, 2008 08:06 AM

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But I do still have to vote for someone. My other candidate got blown away so I guess I'll go back to Hillary. I left her but not for very long.
Jump on bandwagons much?

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I am confused. People on the news are saying that Michigan is his home state too. I don't get it. How many home states can a person have?
He's originally from Michigan, where his father was governor. But he was governor of Massachussets.
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posted January 09, 2008 08:45 AM

I don't get it. More than 1 person from each party? And they attack one another? To me, that's not logical.
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posted January 10, 2008 10:27 AM
Edited by Peacemaker at 11:17, 10 Jan 2008.

Wolf --

McCain is not losing.  Not by a long shot.

In an amazing last-minute turnaround, the yet undecided women of New Hampshire caught a tiny glimpse of Clinton's soul when she misted up in response to a personal question from another female constituent sitting at the table.

The NH polls were accurate respecting virtually every candidate until that moment, which had such import that it even touched my Hillary-hating mother and, I must admit, moved me a little as well. At that moment, Hillary's theretofore accurate 30% poll rating raked up all the NH female undecided's, who until that moment, were teetering between Clinton and Obama.

In hindsight, it reminds me of the X-ray shot of the Grinch early in the cartoon in which you catch a glimpse of his tiny little heart.

So then, Hillary has a tiny little heart after all???

Just because the polls favoring Obama ended up being SO overblown, a virtual dead-heat overall in NH + Iowa has come to be viewed as some kind of landslide by Clinton.   Ironically, those polls were almost dead-on for Obama (36.9% predicted, 37% won) and, until that fateful misty moment, for Clinton as well.  

All because of a moment of "weakness" on Clinton's part, the whole world now appears once again to be considering a Clinton win to be a foregone conclusion, her campaign is beating it chest and brand new volunteers are mindlessly jumping like lemmings onto a bandwagon that is virtually certain to plummet the Democratic party over the edge of that same cliff as the 2004 election.

All this over a woman who, by most accounts, presents a history of acting something like a spoiled child when things don't go her way?

http://www.washingtonpost.com/wp-dyn/content/story/2008/01/09/ST2008010903884.html?hpid=topnews

Can SOMEONE please explain to my WHY on Earth we would want this individual in the Oval Office, as the "leader of the free world," even assuming she could possibly win the general election?

Which, by the way, she can't.  She can't beat McCain, or Romney for that matter.  And they're the only two remotely viable Republican candidates at this juncture.  Hell, she probably can't beat Huckabee either even if he were to be proven viable, which is unlikely even considering South Carolina.  

Thus, she'll now probably win the Dem nomination and once again lose us the election, because my bone-headed party just can't seem to grasp that it keeps shooting itself in the foot.

It astounds me how a few tears can threaten to change the history of the planet, most likely for the worse.

THEREFORE --

Gootch, you're just damn lucky that an unintended, unplanned and unexpected moment of irony just happened to turn things around in New Hampshire at the last minute to make them match your otherwise unlikely forecast.  Congratulations.

Unfortunately, I think you might be a little off about South Carolina.  Don't forget -- Edwards and Obama are splitting votes, and Edwards is from there.  I perceive a much closer race in SC than you've predicted.  I just hope you're right and I'm wrong.
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posted January 10, 2008 11:20 AM

Wait -- wait!!!

This just in:

http://www.reuters.com/

ROFL

Speaking of irony...
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posted January 10, 2008 11:26 AM

Can you explain where is the irony in that? If you meant that Kerry endorses Obama... or what is so funny about it Thank you.

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posted January 10, 2008 01:15 PM
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I don't get it. More than 1 person from each party? And they attack one another? To me, that's not logical.
Yea, it's kind of weird isn't it?

It's a process of each party choosing the candidate they want to run for their party. Actually, to be more accurate, it's a process of each STATE choosing which person they want to be the candidate in the final national election. So they campaign in each state trying to get that state's support.

The first states to decide (like we are seeing now) are very important. Campaigns are very expensive, so if a person does poorly in an early state, both the campaign money, and the person's supporters will go to a different candidate. So you see a lot of shifting around after the first few states.

LOL, you're probably more confused now than you were before. It's a strange process and a lot more complicated than my explanation. To make things worse, each state does it differently. It's completely up to the state to decide HOW they will choose.

As far as them attacking each other or being logical. I find myself laughing about this. It doesn't seem very logical does it? But that's how it works.

Several months before the national election, each party makes their final decision on who their candidate will be. The funny thing is that it's already known ahead of time who it will be. It's a big convention with lots of speeches. And all the people who were fighting a few weeks earlier tell each other they didn't really mean all the bad things they said and they'd like to be friends now, because the other party is the real enemy.

From then on, everyone in the party pretends to be united and they all gang up on the candidate from the other party.

Also, just a note. You always hear about the democratic and republican parties. In the final election there are several more parties, but they rarely get many votes, and never win. There will usually be at least 5-6 parties in the final election. There is always a socialist, libertarian, independant, Ross Perot's party (can't remember the name), etc.


edit: Who caused the wide screen? Is it the link in PM's first post? I thought links automatically scrolled.

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posted January 11, 2008 08:25 PM

Sigh....

If only Giuliani would bring the troops home immediately he would get my vote. I wish I could vote for him. I really wish I could. I want him to be president but I refuse to allow our troops to stay in Iraq.
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posted January 11, 2008 11:48 PM

My horse was catching up and has took the lead...


WASHINGTON (CNN) -- John McCain's victory in Tuesday's New Hampshire primary appears to be paying off.
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Sen. John McCain wins 34 percent of registered Republicans in a CNN/Opinion Research Corp. poll.

The senator from Arizona is the front-runner in the battle for the Republican presidential nomination, according to the first national poll taken after the New Hampshire primary.

McCain has the support of 34 percent of registered Republicans in a CNN/Opinion Research Corp. survey out Friday. That's a 21-point jump from the last CNN/Opinion Research poll, taken in December, well before the Iowa caucuses and New Hampshire primary earlier this month.

Former Arkansas Gov. Mike Huckabee, who won the Iowa Republican caucuses, is in second place in the new survey, with 21 percent of those registered Republicans polled supporting him for the GOP nomination. Check out the poll

Rudy Giuliani follows with 18 percent, a drop of six points from the December poll, when the former New York City mayor was the front-runner.

"Only McCain gained support among Republicans nationally. McCain's now the clear Republican front-runner," said Bill Schneider, CNN senior political analyst.

Former Massachusetts Gov. Mitt Romney is in fourth place, with the backing of 14 percent of registered Republicans, with former Sen. Fred Thompson of Tennessee at 6 percent, Rep. Ron Paul of Texas at 5 percent, and Rep. Duncan Hunter of California at 1 percent.

These results have a sampling error of plus or minus 5 percentage points.

"Giuliani has lost the 'inevitability factor.' Back in October, half of all Republicans nationwide said that he was most likely to win the nomination. Now that is down to 15 percent. McCain is now seen as the most likely GOP nominee -- 45 percent feel that way about him, up from 13 percent in October," said CNN polling director Keating Holland.

Early victories appear to have boosted Sen. Hillary Clinton of New York and Sen. Barack Obama of Illinois in the Democratic nomination battle, with Clinton the choice of nearly half of registered Democrats nationwide.

Clinton is at 49 percent in the new poll, up nine points from the December survey, with Obama at 36 percent, which is a six-point gain from his December standing.

Obama finished first in Iowa's Democratic caucuses. Clinton won in New Hampshire.

"Clinton has re-established herself as the Democratic front-runner, especially among Democratic women," Schneider said.

Former Sen. John Edwards of North Carolina is a distant third, at 12 percent, with Rep. Dennis Kucinich at 1 percent. The sampling error for the Democratic results is plus or minus 4.5 percentage points.

More than half of registered Democrats polled consider Clinton most likely to win the Democratic nomination.

"Clinton is also seen by Democrats nationwide as more likely to have a clear plan for the economy, Iraq and health care. A potential Clinton victory also generates more enthusiasm among Democrats than the prospects of Obama winning the party's nod," Holland said.

There's also another front-runner, and that's the economy.

Thirty-five percent of registered voters polled said the economy is the most important issue when it comes to their vote for president. That's up 6 points from December. Sixty-one percent of those questioned said the economy is in a recession, up 4 points from December and up 15 points since October.
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Iraq is in second place as the most important issue, at 25 percent, followed by health care, immigration and terrorism.

The poll was conducted by telephone on January 9 and 10. One-thousand-thirty-three adult Americans were questioned, including 840 registered voters, 443 registered Democrats and 397 registered Republicans. The sampling error for the entire survey is plus or minus 3 percentage points.



I'm glad Giuliani is slipping so much.  Sorry Consis...
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posted January 11, 2008 11:58 PM

My biggest problem with John McCain is his age. He's past his prime. But the republicans don't have anyone else to offer. I supported him in 2000, but it's getting late in the game for him.

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posted January 17, 2008 08:06 AM

Okay, so after Michigan Romney seems to be the frontrunner.
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