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Peacemaker = double entendre
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posted March 05, 2008 08:26 PM |
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Hi sweetie
(though probably not as dizzy as my kagillion edits trying to make that stupid chart)
Yeah, I saw this coming. I've been too busy the past two days freaking out to post a warning to you guys. I actually broke the coffee pot yesterday morning whilst throwing a fit...
Color me premenstrual. I think I actually had a miniature nervous breakdown yesterday morning. It took me at least an hour to stop shaking once I'd realized our numbers had tanked overnight, once again, the night before a hugely important day.
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violent_flower
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Almost there.
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posted March 05, 2008 08:46 PM |
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Well my best to your neighboring family and friends while you have your breakdown. I know the freak out factor when I heard was just like a bullet in the head. This is such a no brainer. What is wrong with people?
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Minion
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posted March 05, 2008 10:01 PM |
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2)WILDCARDS: The Party and locals in FL and MI are discussing re-running their primaries/caucuses, not just seating delegates based on the existing number, which would be extremely unfair. If re-run, and depending on when or what state in the process, those numbers would clearly reflect a different outcome than they did the first time, since a) Obama's name will actually BE ON THE BALLOT this time, and b) John Edwards' name will NOT. If anything re-running the states, the fairest thing to do, might even a greater count for Obama than for Clinton. Then again maybe not, but still the numbers will very likely be better than the first time.
Even though the numbers will be different in a re-run of a primary I think especially Florida will be a good thing for Clinton, she clearly has had the upper hand at big states.
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violent_flower
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posted March 05, 2008 10:25 PM |
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What she needs is a slap across her political stupidity.
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Seraphim
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posted March 05, 2008 11:51 PM |
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What she needs is a slap across her political stupidity.
What?Is Obama more intelligent according to you?Or you are Pro-Obama are you not?
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mvassilev
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posted March 06, 2008 01:28 AM |
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What she needs is a slap across her political stupidity.
Hillary may be disagreeable, but she's definitely not stupid.
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Consis
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Of Ruby
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posted March 06, 2008 05:24 PM |
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Edited by Consis at 17:28, 06 Mar 2008.
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I am really almost too flustered to make a comment. I have learned that Obama has quite a few super delegates pledging for him as well. It looks like my home state of Texas has delivered for the old girl after all. I don't know what this all means. No one has come to Oregon for our vote yet. I am feeling very confused, frustrated with Obama supporters, and anger toward Florida. I am happy for Hillary but I cannot say my vote is with her. She really ruffled my feathers when I saw that super delegate nonsense. I woke my wife up in the middle of the night to tell her Hillary had won Texas and Ohio. I'm not sure she appreciated it too much. And that might be an understatement. I haven't got a clue as to where things are headed.
I am also sick of hearing people in the news say things like:
"Here in this state you can see has a large percentage of black population. That is good for Obama."
I wonder what people would think if they heard someone say, "Here in this state you can see has a large percentage of white people. That's good for the only white candidate."
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Binabik
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posted March 06, 2008 05:39 PM |
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My suspicion is what I said before. That Hillary got the labor vote in Ohio. Labor and unions are a real big issue in Ohio, especially within the Democratic Party.
Just a bit of trivia. In my area, looking at the campaign signs along the roads, Hillary probably outnumbered Obama 10 to 1.
Edit: I just checked the pages of the UAW and IUE unions looking for endorsements but couldn't find any. What I did find was that Hillary seems to be tight with the UAW even though I didn't see any official endorsment. She's been a regular speaker at UAW meetings for some time now. I guess that makes sense since New York is also a heavily unionized state including a lot of auto industry. But then so is Illinois.
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Minion
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posted March 06, 2008 05:48 PM |
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I am also sick of hearing people in the news say things like:
"Here in this state you can see has a large percentage of black population. That is good for Obama."
But that is a fact. The ratio of black voters going for Obama is sometimes as hugely as 3/4. I don't think there has been a single place that Hillary has won the majority of black votes, not even in her home state New York (Obama got over 60% there)
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Binabik
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posted March 06, 2008 06:06 PM |
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Speaking of New York.
I'm not sure if I've said this before but I worked in Rochester NY for 8 months a few years ago. The first time the subject of Hillary came up I was completely taken aback. I've never seen so much hatred for a politician in my life. People who were normally really laid back and never even talked about politics, suddenly turned all shades of red with hatred when her name came up. I strongly suspect I know the reason, but they were so pissed I didn't even wanted to ask why they hated her so much.
I suspect some of it is just her politics and elitist b****iness that so many people can't stand. But more than that, because people in NY resent the hell out of her because she's a freaking carpet bagger and a lot of people (including myself) think she is a Senator illegally. No matter how you look at it, she was NOT a resident of NY when she ran for the Senate and therefore was not qualified.
Yea, carpet bagging is nothing new, although I don't know how much it happens in modern times. And I'm sure the courts have ruled on it. But screw the courts, they are wrong. People don't care what the courts say. Courts can't dictate how people think and feel. All people in NY knew is that some outsider who had never lived a day in their state was ushered into a Senate seat by the elitist power brokers. A New York Senator should be a freaking New Yorker and that's all there is to it.
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Minion
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posted March 06, 2008 06:36 PM |
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All people in NY knew is that some outsider who had never lived a day in their state was ushered into a Senate seat by the elitist power brokers. A New York Senator should be a freaking New Yorker and that's all there is to it.
Lol, then how do you explain that she got elected to the Senate in the first place? She or Robert Kennedy, also not from New York originally. I don't know how the voting of the Senate really works, but I am puzzled that a person who "all people in NY" think as an outsider, gets elected at all. And re-elected. By a landslide, carrying all but four of New York's 62 counties.
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Binabik
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posted March 06, 2008 06:53 PM |
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Because the power brokers can target enough groups to get someone in. For example if they can target the unions, minorities and maybe a few other special interests, they can get someone in. And the hell with what the rest of the state thinks. It also has a lot to do with money. There is a lot of liberal east coast elitist money with a huge buddy-buddy system.
IMO that perception of the east coast elites is why presidential candidates from the east coast always lose. And the winners are always candidates, or have running mates, from either the midwest or the south. Four presidential elections in a row were southern candidates. Reagan was from California, but his running mate was a southerner. Before that was Carter who was a southerner.
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Minion
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posted March 06, 2008 06:58 PM |
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Isn't democracy just... Grand
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Binabik
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posted March 06, 2008 07:15 PM |
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lol
What happens in NY and MANY other states is similar to why I support the electoral college. The electoral college more fairly distributes representation.
In New York, NY City is so large that it carries the vote for the entire state. People in the rest of the state have a completely different culture and lifestyle. Different things are important to them. So when NYC carries the vote, and legislation (at the state level) is passed, people in upstate and western NY resent it.
Many states are like this. An example is when I lived in southern Oregon. The northern city of Portland, and to a lesser degree Eugene and Salem carry the vote for the state. People in the south resent the hell out of a bunch of city folk up north passing laws that might make sense in the city, but are totally rediculous in the south or eastern parts of the state.
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violent_flower
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posted March 06, 2008 08:15 PM |
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Oregon is so nice, raised in Seattle. I agree with you about laws that are made for more inner city and end up being like, no horse crossing signs in the city and no Emo crossing in boonies.
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mvassilev
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posted March 06, 2008 09:36 PM |
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In New York, NY City is so large that it carries the vote for the entire state.
Which is why states themselves have too much power. If the countryside is complaining about NYC carrying the state, then the state is too powerful, not NYC.
And NYC has a different culture than upstate New York, and the state sometimes passes legislation that makes no sense in the city. As bad as it is when the majority tramples on the minority, it is far worse when the minority tramples on the majority.
And do you have any specific examples?
And, regarding the electoral college, what exactly did the Wyoming voter do to deserve being so powerful?
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Consis
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Of Ruby
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posted March 07, 2008 06:44 AM |
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when I lived in southern Oregon. The northern city of Portland, and to a lesser degree Eugene and Salem carry the vote for the state
Close.....Portland and Salem. I'm part of Portland.
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Minion
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posted March 12, 2008 02:33 PM |
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Race and voting
Hmm, Obama won Mississippi as expected. Of course that was wrong of the reporters to assume that, thinks Consis, even though 50% of the voters were african americans. And their vote went as staggeringly as 91-9 percent to Obama. However, race is important to whites as well it appears. 70% of the whites that identify themselves as Democrats voted for Clinton. Also 75% of those that identified themselves as Republicans voted for her.
Gender appeared not to have an impact, where 60% of males and females equally voted for Obama. This is a change, as in the very early contests the females went statistically more for Clinton - it might have been because of Edwards was still in the race (2 males vs. 1 female)
Suddenly I feel that this talk about America being free from the racial tensions is far from reality. If the white candidate gets the majority of the white votes while the black candidate gets majority of black votes, something is not right. Or is it just the state of Mississippi that is so racially divided?
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bort
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Discarded foreskin of morality
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posted March 12, 2008 08:40 PM |
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Also 75% of those that identified themselves as Republicans voted for her.
Waaaaaayl...
I don't think the following is coincidence :
Prior to the March 4th contests, Obama was winning the Republican's voting in Democratic primary vote as well as, winning the white vote in such states as Wisconsin and the like.
Then, Mccain wraps up the Republican nomination and Limbaugh tells Republicans to vote in the Democratic primary for Clinton.
And all of a sudden, there are 1. more Republicans voting in the Democratic primary and 2. they are voting for Clinton.
sums it up nicely
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xerox
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posted March 12, 2008 10:44 PM |
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Obama should win. Haha, the racists would be so pwned!
And maybe he will do something of the american "toture" prisons...
Seriously, Hillary Clinton?
She will probably day in two years because she is so old and i just hate her. She is like a old lady who is angry all the time and just screams at people.
Plus Barack Obama is a cool name. Much better then the boring swedens names.
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