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Azagal
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posted November 22, 2008 01:45 AM

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Only because America took action has American cities not been attacked again.

...? Say what? You honestly believe that the slaugther of innocent people + some terrorists + the execution of Sadam has saved American lives, don't you?
The war in Iraq and Afgahnistan has done absolutely nothing to "protect" the USA. What did you achieve by that war anyways except for a whole bunch of dead iraques that now are "free" hmm? You keep babeling about "millions of American lives" saved but yeah... ehm how? The war has brought you nothing and I know to little about that Oil subject to rightfully accuse the US of just being there for the money. Would hardly surprise me though...
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posted November 22, 2008 03:09 AM
Edited by doomnezeu at 03:10, 22 Nov 2008.

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My god this thread has grown since I last saw it! I didn't see that coming! I didn't think anyone but myself, wolfman, peacemaker, and the_gootch cared about this stuff???


OMG CONSIS! U alive?

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Elodin
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posted November 22, 2008 03:44 AM

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Only because America took action has American cities not been attacked again.

...? Say what? You honestly believe that the slaugther of innocent people + some terrorists + the execution of Sadam has saved American lives, don't you?
The war in Iraq and Afgahnistan has done absolutely nothing to "protect" the USA. What did you achieve by that war anyways except for a whole bunch of dead iraques that now are "free" hmm? You keep babeling about "millions of American lives" saved but yeah... ehm how? The war has brought you nothing and I know to little about that Oil subject to rightfully accuse the US of just being there for the money. Would hardly surprise me though...


America did not slaughter "innocent people" and  "some terrorists."

Terrorists slaughtered innocent peopele. America acted to stop furthur slaughter of innocent American lives.

Pardon me? US is not fighting against Iraq. Otherwise Iraquis would not be fighting side by side with US. Saddam was terrorist supporter and refuse comply with treaty he surrendered under, refuse allow inspectors to go wher eneeded, have yellow cake uranium, murder hundreds of thousands people, and make everyone think he still have WMDs which he have used in past. AlQuieda have bases in Afganhnistan.

Again, US is not at war with Afganhnistan but with terrorist in Afganhnistan.

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What did you achieve by that war anyways except for a whole bunch of dead iraques that now are "free" hmm?


That is foolishness. In any war there will be civilian casualty. That is fact of war. Living Iraquis now have chance of freedom if they continue to defend freedom graciously given to them by America at price of American lives. And yes, America have right to fight terrorist whereever they make bases.

Yes, war in Afghanistan and Iraq is war against terrorists and have to do with protecting America. I know you America haters would love to see America have major cities blown up by terrorist but so what? You will hate America no mater what America does.

The "how" of US saved America lives is terrorist are kept busy defending themselves and not attacking American soil. Only fool would think ther would not have been more attacks on American cities if American had not aggressively attacked terrorists.

No, it was not for oil as you falsely whisper. America is alwasys smeared by haters of America when most should thank America for their freedom. Shame.

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del_diablo
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posted November 22, 2008 12:40 PM

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Nicely worded rhetoric but America removing Saddam was not being bully. Being bully would be America invading Canada for no reason for example. America had multiple reason to remove Saddam which has already been listed by me.

It would be quite nice if war was never necessity but in real world it is. And America it not at war with Iraq. America is at war with terrorist. There is Iraqis fighting side by side with America.


There are 4 factions in Iraq:
*Support Troppers to keep the peace
*The US military
*The people who wants the US military to leave because of what they are doing
*The people who wants peace and gets a paycheck doing the job

So basicaly: The people killing terrorist and the people becoming terrorist because of the rage over the civilian losses.

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However, I'd rather see an America which stands for the courage to do the right thing, even when it is the hard thing.


America did right thing in removing Sadaam. That took courage rather than sit back and say to Saddam 10 trillion time, "Now, now, you please be good boy." That policy did not work.


Indeed, just look at Israel! Where was USA when they set up walls and treated the palistinians?

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The place which was deemed fit as the seat of the United Nations.


UN is nothing but debate society where communist can block actions. Usually if anything get done America must do it.


And why USA? Besides since you say America you mean the Canadians or the Mexicans right? And there are standards to get into UN.
I wonder what would happen if the UN decided nuking USA would be for the best of the world? Its a funny scenario because you say USA MUST do it

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Evidently your America is "wimp" that walks softly and runs to hide when attacked. Thankfully America did not have wimp for president and did not feel need for aproval to take action.

I am glad America have retained its soverign nation status.


I will smile when somebody nukes Washington, because it might be bound to happen sometime. Atleast if USA keeps on going as it are doing.

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See what conflicts in me with my most basic feelings as a human is that you seem (seem right not saying you do) to value the lives of an American much higher than that of an Iraque. Even if the Americans invaded Iraq to get rid of Sadam (riiiiight....) you're always negleting all those innocent civilians.


No, I value innocent American life above life of terrorist scum. Anyone is not understanding of world if they think in war there will be no innocent civilian killed.


And i value peoples life. I value human life. I do not value arsholes life however because of what they are. I do not value killers life. I do not value the life of people fighting for a cause that is negativ.


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America did not slaughter "innocent people" and  "some terrorists."

Terrorists slaughtered innocent peopele. America acted to stop furthur slaughter of innocent American lives.


Tell that to the generals who ended up bombing massive areas when they attack Iraq.
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OmegaDestroyer Online
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posted November 22, 2008 12:59 PM
Edited by OmegaDestroyer at 13:22, 22 Nov 2008.

How can you value human life but smile at the thought of thousands of people being vaporized?

Futhermore, only a fool would be happy to see Washington D.C. nuked.  Think about it.  The US went in to remove an insignificant threat from power with almost little provocation from that person.  What do you think would happen if a true threat attacked?
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posted November 22, 2008 01:48 PM

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Futhermore, only a fool would be happy to see Washington D.C. nuked.  Think about it.  The US went in to remove an insignificant threat from power with almost little provocation from that person.  What do you think would happen if a true threat attacked?


I guess we would have done someting. We will always end up doing someting. I cannot really forget the war storys because they are what they are, all the storys of the resistance and all the blood that was spilled while it happend. So long somebody manage to sneak in guns the task tends to be easy, since the resistance end up working in a extreme way much similar to the terrorist. And the resistance will and will always be marked as terrorist by whoever gets in controll on the country.
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posted November 22, 2008 01:56 PM

The only difference between a liberator and a terroist is what side you happen to be on.
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posted November 22, 2008 08:22 PM
Edited by Moonlith at 20:23, 22 Nov 2008.

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Only because America took action has American cities not been attacked again.

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America did not slaughter "innocent people" and  "some terrorists."

Terrorists slaughtered innocent peopele. America acted to stop furthur slaughter of innocent American lives.

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Pardon me? US is not fighting against Iraq. Otherwise Iraquis would not be fighting side by side with US. Saddam was terrorist supporter and refuse comply with treaty he surrendered under, refuse allow inspectors to go wher eneeded, have yellow cake uranium, murder hundreds of thousands people, and make everyone think he still have WMDs which he have used in past. AlQuieda have bases in Afganhnistan.

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Again, US is not at war with Afganhnistan but with terrorist in Afganhnistan.

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That is foolishness. In any war there will be civilian casualty. That is fact of war. Living Iraquis now have chance of freedom if they continue to defend freedom graciously given to them by America at price of American lives. And yes, America have right to fight terrorist whereever they make bases.

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Yes, war in Afghanistan and Iraq is war against terrorists and have to do with protecting America. I know you America haters would love to see America have major cities blown up by terrorist but so what? You will hate America no mater what America does.

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The "how" of US saved America lives is terrorist are kept busy defending themselves and not attacking American soil. Only fool would think ther would not have been more attacks on American cities if American had not aggressively attacked terrorists.

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No, it was not for oil as you falsely whisper. America is alwasys smeared by haters of America when most should thank America for their freedom. Shame.


How long did you rehearse to print those silly pieces of propaganda into your naive mind?

Have you ever even BOTHERED to stop and think for a moment "just how true ARE these 'facts'?" ?


By the way, I totally puked at the bold and especially the underlined part.
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DagothGares
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posted November 22, 2008 08:45 PM
Edited by DagothGares at 11:14, 23 Nov 2008.

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That is foolishness. In any war there will be civilian casualty. That is fact of war. Living Iraquis now have chance of freedom if they continue to defend freedom graciously given to them by America at price of American lives. And yes, America have right to fight terrorist whereever they make bases.

Wow, that's a pretty bold statement there... What if Belgium NATO (better example, I suppose) were to say: "we, the nations of the north-atlantic treaty organisaton (with the exception of America for we do not like those guys anymore since they have resources, like corn and rumors of oil) dub thee, American nation, terrorist, congratulations, you can expect Nato showing up on your doorstep at any given time. We will give you freedom of your oppressive media and we will kill your leader who has been hiding nukes.

We will sacrifice a few dutch and french lives to graciously extend you true freedom... Off course, a few massacres ((I know, I'm being overly dramatic, but basically, that's what I read out of it)) are totally acceptable, since we will, gracious as we are, let some of you live. You will even learn to defend freedom by imposing it on others."

Yes, your logic is flawless...

seriously, did you think this through? America gets to do whatever they want as long as it's in the name of freedom or if you decide to build a base there? Wow... just... wow... I'll just go watch a thread made by Celfious, they make more sense AND they give me a better feeling than these...
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Moonlith
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posted November 22, 2008 08:50 PM

I'm kinda glad to see not everyone is a dimwit and I'm not the only one who thought that statement utterly repulsive.

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posted November 22, 2008 08:58 PM

Moonlith, some of the stuff you say is pretty repulsive too. Not saying that he's right, of course.
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Moonlith
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posted November 22, 2008 09:28 PM

Like what?

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posted November 22, 2008 09:29 PM

Mostly stuff you posted in the Economics thread.
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Moonlith
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posted November 22, 2008 09:52 PM

You mean the fact I state I think I should keep my mind open to the POSSIBILITY that the USA government might have ALLOWED 9/11 to happen to further their own agenda, and find that possibiltiy to actually be more realistic and plausible and logical compared to the official story?

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posted November 22, 2008 09:53 PM

Yes. 9/11 truthers are pretty outrageous. Hard to say if they're more or less outrageous than Young Earth Creationists or people who claim that America is the perfect savor of the world, though.
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posted November 22, 2008 10:36 PM
Edited by Moonlith at 22:37, 22 Nov 2008.

I don't consider myself a truther, and I would enjoy it if you didn't stick such assumed labels on me.

I do not claim I know the truth about 9/11.

However I am about 99,99% sure that the official story propagated by the media and further spread by sheep sure as hell cannot be true.

I call you naive if you blindly believe it.

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posted November 22, 2008 10:45 PM

What about Occam's Razor? You can't apply it selectively!
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posted November 23, 2008 05:00 AM

Freedom is overrated. No one should be sacrificed for the sake of freedom. And to be truthful, no one cannot be absolutely free while alive.
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posted November 23, 2008 05:03 AM

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That is foolishness. In any war there will be civilian casualty. That is fact of war. Living Iraquis now have chance of freedom if they continue to defend freedom graciously given to them by America at price of American lives. And yes, America have right to fight terrorist whereever they make bases.


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By the way, I totally puked at the bold and especially the underlined part.



Thank goodness someone else came along and said this.  I could not agree with you more.  The outrageous arrogance and convenient view on the war, ugh.  Elodin, there's a whole wide world of ideas out there.  Stop paying so much attention to Limbaugh for just a second.

Thank you Moonlith, for that comment.  

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Moonlith
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posted November 23, 2008 08:44 AM

I still don't understand why other people can't say it... I feel like a lonely duck here
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