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Xervis
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posted June 22, 2005 07:37 AM |
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the ultimate noob thread
hey guys, been a while since i've posted, but i still come here to read and learn, but, i want to start playing on the Zone, but i know my skills on HOMM3 are...crap, so i was wondering if you guys could give me some general advice to help me at least survive the first 10 turns
i really enjoy using the Tower town and ranged units, but i also have a special place in my heart for teh conflux(elemental) town.
Any help would be apreciated.
thanks guys!
Xervis
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TheUltimaten...
Tavern Dweller
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posted June 22, 2005 07:44 AM |
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Uh.......shoes makin treads bout me?
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a_rebirthing...
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posted June 22, 2005 10:01 AM |
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Aims for random XL...medium richness
Castle: Cavs and castle or citadel (often run out of wood)
Rampart: Unis and castle, not too hard to get. Elf upgrade early week 2 and buy em out.
Stronghold: Beths and castle is possible, if not, Rocs + Ogres and castle, or Beths + citadel
Tower: Many different approaches. Mine usually is upgrade grems and get naga/citadel
Fortress: At the very least...gorgons + castle. If wood is strong, Gorgons + Wyvern + castle
Dungeon: Lacks a week 2 strength (mantis are weak) Try for minotaurs + castle and buy out the shooters. Mantis if resources are good.
Inferno: 5 or 6 efreet start of week2 is a must so Efreet/Citadel or Castle. Pits as well if gold is good, though make sure those 5 efreet come out day 8.
Necro and flux are usually disallowed on random xl
that what rychenroller had to say from a previous thread. i dunno but angelito says he is a one of the great h3 players
my personal tips are this:
go for upg. gremlin tower day 1 NO MATTER WHAT
get a second hero and always chose gold in chests except for when ur main hero can choose 1500 exp. try to get capitol early as to keep up with costs of tower. also try to get nagas very early as they are like tanks and very good with haste. go for crypts early but read up on threads here on how to do it effectivly.
yea those are my tips hope that helps
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maretti
Responsible
Supreme Hero
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posted June 22, 2005 01:53 PM |
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Guitarguy, are u serious or just tossing?
Normally u should recruit about 5 heroes not 2.
Day 1 u upgrade the gremlins which will give u an excellent week 1 army.
Dont build town hall till week 2.
I prefer building genies and nagas week 1 which means no citadel in most cases.
In most cases choose gold from chests, if u choose exp do it from boxes with 1500 xp, not 1000 xp. (im sure guitarguy was just joking in this case)
Choose a might hero (Orrin is the best u can get)as main and go for skills like logistics, earth, air, archery, offense, tactics, armorer, water, pathfinding.
Make sure u build giants and castle week 2 and focus on getting a lot of money and gems to upgrade to titans later in the game.
Try to avoid meating ur opponent until u have titans, when u get them go for him.
Flux is rarely played on the zone because they are to strong compared to the other towns.
Hope u can use some of this info.
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Crag rules, Orrin and Ivor suck
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lkru33
Promising
Famous Hero
3x NFL Pick'em Champ
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posted June 22, 2005 03:55 PM |
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Choose a might hero (Orrin is the best u can get)as main and go for skills like logistics, earth, air, archery, offense, tactics, armorer, water, pathfinding.
On a humorous note... you mention how Orrin is the best you can get (with Tower of course), but yet in your signature, you mention how Orrin and Ivor suck 
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maretti
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posted June 22, 2005 04:16 PM |
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Krufoo 
U got me there.
Orrin sucks in generel, the exception is if u get him with tower because of their strong shooters and because his leadership skill works better with tower than with castle. Besides im probably wrong that he is the best u can get. Crag might be stronger with tower as well.
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Crag rules, Orrin and Ivor suck
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lkru33
Promising
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3x NFL Pick'em Champ
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posted June 22, 2005 04:22 PM |
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Marettifoo I figured as much... just razzin' ya. I figure if I can't do it playing Heroes, my only shot is nitpicking at an occasional post 
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TIGRIS
Supreme Hero
Supreme Noobolator
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posted June 22, 2005 04:30 PM |
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nice post about tower Maretti, would be fun to see that castle more on the zone though.Nowdays i think only people that come for the first time on the zone after a long experience against the AI still think Tower&Solmyr rules.
BTW congrats on your final win against emti
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tigris
Supreme Hero
Supreme Noobolator
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posted June 22, 2005 04:56 PM |
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well GG before "clearing" those things out you should have learned a couple of things about Marettifoo .
Come to the zone more often man !
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FireSpirit
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posted June 22, 2005 05:10 PM |
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zOMG, someone is even n00bier than I am!
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angelito
Honorable
Undefeatable Hero
proud father of a princess
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posted June 22, 2005 05:18 PM |
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Guitarguy, are u serious or just tossing?
Do you know me to toss at people asking for help? 
But most of your answers sounds like that..
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Normally u should recruit about 5 heroes not 2.
Day 1 u upgrade the gremlins which will give u an excellent week 1 army.
Not with my game version, I wouldn't. Only the first two heroes inside the Tavern per week have small armies. Anything after that is just a single Gremlin, Centaur, Imp, etc. If that's what you're getting at.
By excellent army, I suppose you mean the Gremlins of your starting hero and first hired hero, yeah? I tested recruiting five heroes just now and only the first new hero had numbers. As expected, of course.
You ever heard about the "chaining" thing? To make 1 or 2 fights with 1 hero, then give the army to the next hero, which transports these troops to a third hero, who makes again one or two fights, chains them again......and so on...
And yes, itīs normal, only the 2 first visible heroes in the tavern have troops. So u have a starting hero with about 25-35 gremlins, a second one out of tavern with the same amount and 16 gremlins from the dwelling. So when u upgrade to mastergremlins, u normally will have 65-85 mastergremlins. And that is a strong army. With castle, u could probably have only 7 archers (besides the pikes) on day 1..
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Dont build town hall till week 2.
Personally, I hate that jaw-dropping moment when I have plenty of creatures to buy when I need them and yet I don't have any cash yet. To be safe, I'd recommend getting the Town Hall early to bump up the 500 gold per day to 1000. After all, what are you gonna do in those resource-poor maps?
Next common fault. You have plenty of army in 2nd week in your town, but you donīt have to buy them all!. Just fight with your nagas and gremlins...you can wipe out hugh stacks with that combination (and perhaps some single mastergenies) What else u need to fight treasuries, caches, stores and such?
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In most cases choose gold from chests, if u choose exp do it from boxes with 1500 xp, not 1000 xp. (im sure guitarguy was just joking in this case)
This ain't a joke. Early hero leveling often takes 1000 or so exp points, so choosing the 1000 exp is usually good enough if treasure chests are few. The 2000 gold is often a helpful boost, particularly when gold is tight. I forgot to mention this before, but I play many resource-poor maps nowadays as practice. This strat has served me well thus far. Back in the days when I played H3 on Normal difficulty, I would have chosen the 1500 experience. It ultimately depends on your game situation and judgement.
Was discussed many times before.
With those 1500 gold from a chest, u could buy 1 more naga. With this naga, u can fight against many troops. Those 1000 exp. points give u (if u r lucky) 1 good secondary skill. But u canīt fight against throng of halbadiers guarding some (extremely needed!) ressource piles with advanced log, basic wisdom and few gargoyles....but u could with only 2 nagas...
Always keep in mind...the earlier u have some strong units (lev 6 or 7) in your army, the earlier u can make bigger fights for bigger treasury..
You canīt proove these tactics when playing against the comp, coz u will still have too much time to develop your army and towns and to clear your area. Try it online....u will wonder why your opponent has stats in the 20ies and all units upgraded in week 4 or 5 when you still fight caches and stores with your main..
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Plexus22
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posted June 23, 2005 12:44 AM |
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True you only get 1 or 2 heroes starting in tavern that have tower troops but that is not a good reason to only hire 2 heroes. Especially with tower it is CRITICAL to cover as much of map as possible and get as many resources as you can quick but you cannot do that effectively with only 2 heroes. And as Angelito mentioned if you take all gremlins off of starting heroes in tavern plus buy gremlins in town and put them on one hero on day 1 you will always have a starting gremlin stack of at least 60. Upgrade to masters and this is a very good starting army. Youd be amazed at how much destruction you can cauze with a good stack of MG's. Personally I think the only other town that can compare to a good tower army day 1 is Rampart with upgraded elves.
Keep in mind that if your going to be fighting throngs walking dead with those gremlins that u need an ammo cart cuz MG's only have 8 shots
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guitarguy
Responsible
Supreme Hero
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posted June 23, 2005 12:50 AM |
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Very well. I have made some adjustments.
Xervis, I think folks like maretti and Angelito are the ones to talk to.
-guitarguy
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