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VaRuAs
VaRuAs


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posted June 30, 2005 01:10 PM

Is it parents fault?

Should parents be held responsible when young people commit crimes?
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mr_niceguy
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posted June 30, 2005 01:17 PM

i dont believe they should be held entirely responsible, i mean:
a)it's the young persons free will to commit the crime
b)parents arnet the only influence in a persons life (theres also stuff like music, friends etc)
c)but they are one of the main influences so they are partly to blame
but thats what i think, no-one ever listens to my opinions
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posted June 30, 2005 02:54 PM

i say check the backround of the parents for past crimes and such. the parents are responsible to some extent because ofcourse the parents decide pretty much decides everything the kid does. school, music, money.
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VaRuAs
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posted June 30, 2005 03:09 PM

But do you know that when parents give to much pressure the child end up going some thing stupit. And without parents guide or advices this kind of childrens or young people, prison becomes a greater probability in the child's life.
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posted June 30, 2005 03:14 PM

do u mean that a child may be pressured into doing good in a test and then the child cheats or something?
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VaRuAs
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posted June 30, 2005 03:18 PM

Don't know. But what do you say about this?
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mr_niceguy
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posted June 30, 2005 03:21 PM

i think if the parents forced the child to study hard for the test he/she wouldnt cheat because the child worked so hard
However if the parents just say something like "if you fail this test no T.V for a month" or something, this would give the urge to cheat which makes it the parents fault... kinda

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VaRuAs
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posted June 30, 2005 04:02 PM

I think you are rite niceguy, i think it have happen to me when i was samll.
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posted June 30, 2005 04:06 PM
Edited By: guitarguy on 30 Jun 2005

What about parents taking away your dessert as punishment?

My parents would do that a lot when my sister and I were young. And now they're making me swear to no-soda days so I can drink healthy water for a change. Even though it's not a punishment, it's still hard to live by.

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Jebus
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posted June 30, 2005 05:58 PM

I think if the reprecussions of a childs act affected the parents, they'd be more encouraged to make sure their kids are learning the right lessons...

(ex.: if a child or teenager vandalises, the municipality or police (or victim) should be able to charge the parents for the cost of the repairs...)

underage offenders have a free ride for most and
their files are protecte in Canada...  even when they turn 18 the files are off limits and pretty much voided...
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The_Gootch
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posted June 30, 2005 06:47 PM
Edited By: The_Gootch on 30 Jun 2005

I have serious issues with third party liablity

A parent's real job is to teach their child to make good choices for themselves.  Probably the most important aspect is to teach them to make good choices in choosing their friends.

Because believe you me, at about the age of 11 your child is under the influence of their friends for the next 9-10 years.  

If a parent actively went out of their way to teach their child to be a menace to society then sure, go after them.

How many are out there that actually do it?  Not many.  The truth is, youth and boredom is a volatile mixture for young men(who tend to be the perpetrators of underage crime).  Let's do something novel and hold them accountable for their actions.  

When that punk from my country was in Singapore spray-painting cars and the family beseeched the Clinton administration to save him, I literally prayed that the response from our president would have been, "Whoop his m-f'n ass."  Alas, the pres didn't say it.  But the kid still got an ass-whoopin.  Sure it's draconian.  Sure it's unconstitutional here.  But man oh man, you'd get better behaved young men if we had caning in our more civilized nations.


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Jebus
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posted June 30, 2005 07:07 PM

Gootch,
so do you think it's fair that a child's record be swept aside when they become of age??  

I'd like to see what you find acceptable means of punishment for kids that won't scar them but will still teach them to fear authority and respect others?

(so far we're in agreement)


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Leo_Lion
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posted June 30, 2005 07:52 PM
Edited By: Leo_Lion on 30 Jun 2005

Gootch, your response sort of describes my opinion of the whole proposal. Basically, if people don't have to worry about being held responsible for their own actions, they won't usually care about the consequences or results of their behaviour. It's like a dictator doing whatever he wants because he doesn't have to worry about an "election"...except that we are talking about a youth instead.

In addition, I found that while I was growing up, I learned many things through experience...go figure! Even though my parents tried to warn/educate me about certain activities (climbing trees, smoking, fighting, etc.), I often didn't see the wisdom behind their words until I had screwed up and paid the price for it (falling to the ground, coughing until my lungs hurt, getting beat up, etc.).

So, as much as parents can be blamed for some of their children's behaviour, I don't think that they should be held completely responsible. After all, it doesn't work both ways: I've never heard of a parent being rewarded by the government for having their child do something exceptionally good.

P.S. Good topic Varuas, but it would be interesting to hear how things are in Nepal, or what your opinions are.
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Jebus
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posted June 30, 2005 08:27 PM

Quote:
Basically, if people don't have to be responsible for their own actions, they won't usually care about the consequences or results of their behaviour.


It's interesting that many who think this way don't necessarily live by it.  

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posted July 01, 2005 02:29 AM

Question for Leo_Lion

my dad is crazy about Canada. i live in australia and so does he. whenever something bad happens in australia or he sees something he doesnt like he tells me about it in Canada and how over there this kinda stuff would never happen.

during one of these talks about canada he said that if u have a child who is outta control(like does drugs, vandal, ect.) u can legally go to the government and tell them that the kid is out of control and that u dont want to be responsible for him any longer, thus he is the child if the country.

is this true?
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mr_niceguy
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posted July 01, 2005 02:34 AM

Question For A_R_F

was that a hypophetical situation or are you using a real life example? i'm just curious.
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posted July 01, 2005 02:37 AM

hypo
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jebus
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posted July 01, 2005 03:15 AM

A_R_F,
I know it wasn't meant for me but...

unless you're talking about adoption, we don't have a "the government owns your child" system here if you're fed up...
I couln't get into the adoption laws since I don't know'em!!  

(Im still waiting to see if my parents tell me the truth about my rich folks!!  Or darthvader steps forward with the truth...)  
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VaRuAs
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posted July 01, 2005 07:46 AM

When parents adopt a child usually these parents want the child to be what they have think of, but the child want to be something else, and the parents don't agree what the child wants will this give a bad impact on the child?
(What is your view?)
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posted July 01, 2005 08:02 AM

@jebus: there are 2 reasons that i asked. i is that my dad is always referring to Canada so i wanted to see if he is right or wrong. i also asked for the purpose of this thread.

@VaRuAs: parents can only do so much
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