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Asmodean
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posted August 22, 2005 10:24 PM
Edited By: Asmodean on 22 Aug 2005

Elementals in HOMM V?

As the title asks: Elementals in HOMM V?

Will they be present in the game?

With 3 towns released with pictures, the Academy on the horizon and that 'Big Tree' concept art that was released suggesting nature means that we can rule out the Conflux at least in the initial release, as the final town will be the mysterious 'One More We Haven't Seen Before' town.

So are they still in the game? Will the be available to the Elven Town such as they were in Heroes 4 or will they be neutral creatures on the map?

Each town has 14 creatures in them, counting upgrades - multiplied by 6 towns gives 84 creatures - whereas Ubi has said that the game will have ~150 creatures.
Unless there are faction aligned creatures that aren't recruitable such as the Mermaids/Sea Creatures in Heroes 4.

What are your thoughts?
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Lord_Crusader
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posted August 22, 2005 10:47 PM

I'm sure there will give us elementals but as neutral... like in heroes 1 to 3 restoration of erathia... there are a lot of space to neutral creatures... maybe the barbarians will be neutral also...
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posted August 22, 2005 11:35 PM

Except for H1 (which I haven't played) all heroes games had elementals, so I think it's a safe bet they'll be in this one too. They're widely accepted and it's an easy way to add 4+4 at least more creatures to game without much mental effort from the art designer
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IrishTitan
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posted August 23, 2005 01:32 AM

   In my opinion the best elementals were in "Heroes III Complete":

Air -> Storm Elementals (becomes ranged cast Prot. from Air)

Water -> Ice Elementals (becomes ranged cast Prot. from Water)

Fire -> Energy Elementals (casts Prot. from Fire)

Earth -> Magma Elementals (casts Prot. from Earth)

Magic **-> Psychic Elementals (attacked all adjacent)

**= same

  All of these elementals could be aquired from the Conflux town in "Heroes III Complete".  The 1st level creature there was a pixie -> sprite, and the 7th creature was a Firebird -> Phoenix.

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Lord_Crusader
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posted August 23, 2005 01:55 AM

well as neutral creatures will be very hard if they can be upgraded...
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IrishTitan
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posted August 23, 2005 02:03 AM

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well as neutral creatures will be very hard if they can be upgraded...


Good point, but if you've played Heroes III Complete you would remember a place called a "Hill Fort" where you can upgrade anything.  Although I can't remember if they had one of those in Heroes IV.

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Asmodean
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posted August 23, 2005 03:33 AM

They didn't have one in Heroes 4 as there were NO upgrades in Heroes 4. You chose for 1 level 2 structure, 1 level 3 and 1 level 4 structure to build from 2 choices, which led to imbalance when combined with certain skills (necromancy? anyone?).

Hopefullt the structure building will follow the Heroes 3 route, I'm not sure if we have concrete info on that though.

However I was never 100% convinced that the elementals would choose to join the preserve faction, and hope this isnt the case in Heroes 5.
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Lord_Crusader
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posted August 23, 2005 04:21 AM
Edited By: Lord_Crusader on 22 Aug 2005

Quote:
Quote:
well as neutral creatures will be very hard if they can be upgraded...


Good point, but if you've played Heroes III Complete you would remember a place called a "Hill Fort" where you can upgrade anything.  Although I can't remember if they had one of those in Heroes IV.


yeap but in heroes3 complete you can upgrade in the hill fort because there were the town with this units... and in heroes 3 restoration of erathia this units were impposible to upgrade in the hillfort...

Well I like the way of the elemetals in heroes IV I mean with no upgrades... but with a kind of abilities of the upgraded elementals...

Firelementals- Ranged
Airelementals- Very fast
Earth elemtals- good defense
Water elementals- spell caster

But I'm also agree with Asmodean this units must be neutrals and not in a town like in the expasions of heroes 3 and heroes 4...  
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Asmodean
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posted August 27, 2005 10:17 PM

Quote:
But I'm also agree with Asmodean this units must be neutrals and not in a town like in the expasions of heroes 3 and heroes 4...


I didn't actually say I wanted them as neutral creatures, just that I never thought they fitted in with preserve, and we can almost rule out conflux town appearing in HOMM 5's first release.

The main thrust of this thread I was aiming at was

-do we know if they'll appear
-if so, where
-if not, where do you want to see them.
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posted August 27, 2005 11:29 PM

Elementals = Magic
Academy = Magic

Who says there isn't a loop hole here?

Just a guess..
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ChimTheGrim
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posted August 28, 2005 08:14 AM

I liked the elementals as neutral units like they were in Hereos II and III (original). I didn't really like the conflux all that much, but it was okay.

I think Heroes V will have elementals as neutrals.
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Vlaad
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posted January 26, 2006 07:35 AM

Water elemental



Earth Elemental



Fire Elemental



Air Elemental




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k1ng
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posted January 26, 2006 09:17 AM


Water element and Air element look like magic attacks from Final Fantsy, lol.

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TitaniumAlloy
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posted January 26, 2006 10:31 AM

Wow that Air elemental looks terrible.

The others are cool though, especially the Water and Fire.

Have we now seen the town Asmo was referring to as mysterious?
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Lich_King
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posted January 26, 2006 10:47 AM

As I know Elementals got their abilities back from Homm4.

Air - Flying
Earth - Magic Resistant
Water - Spellcaster
Fire - Ranged Attacker
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panduwana
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posted January 26, 2006 10:55 AM

Quote:
Wow that Air elemental looks terrible.

The others are cool though, especially the Water and Fire.




Hey, IMO Air looks good.
I think it is Fire that looks bad, it's just like a burned snake or even burned Water Elemental, at least from that point of view. I don't have the beta though and I don't think I will, my connection is too slow.

I hope it's just matter of camera position that makes Fire looks bad.


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fortress_fan
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posted January 26, 2006 10:10 PM

I want MY conflux back!

I want Conflux back! Elementals fit good in fantasy stories/games and they should be here too!

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SirCharles
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posted January 27, 2006 03:50 AM
Edited by SirCharles on 26 Jan 2006

Actually, the elementals look MUCH better in full motion.  The Air elemental twists and spins like a tornado.  The fire is somewhat serpent-like.  But taking stills from this game is an iffy prospect at best.  Look at the phoenix....this still looks pretty shabby IMO...but in motion.  Nice.



But sometimes, you luck out and get a nice looking still.....


Death Knight...obviously.  )

I've got a different angle of the Fire elemental (you can see it's serpent-like qualities a BIT better) but it's still not a great angle.


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SirCharles
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posted January 27, 2006 04:35 AM

better pic of the Phoenix.


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this_other_guy
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posted January 27, 2006 07:22 AM

Pheonix with bat wings...? Now that is ugly.
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