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Heroes Community > Dimension Gates > Thread: Can someone please clarify the Thunderbird's special ability for me?
Thread: Can someone please clarify the Thunderbird's special ability for me?
Kalidor
Kalidor

Tavern Dweller
posted October 05, 2005 01:38 AM

Can someone please clarify the Thunderbird's special ability for me?

I am a tad lost on this one as well.
After any thunderbirds attack (successfully or not, I presume) a lighting of 9 occurs against the same stack (if they survived).
Is this a single attack?  Or can my opponent choose to "swat" with that lighting attack?

In other words, lets say I have a stack of wolves, 10 deep.
My wife attacks with her 2 thunderbirds.  She swats at 5 wolves, hits, killing 5 of them after rolling a 5 on her die.
Now the lightning goes off.  Does it simply automatically kill 1 and only 1 more wolf?  Or can she say, my lightning is going to swat 4 more wolves?  and then roll to see if successful?

Also, if those Thunderbirds attacked from the ranged line (due to flying)  my wolves could NOT retaliate, correct?

Thanks..sorry to be so confused, I just want to be sure and need clarification here!
Thanks in advance for any help!
Justin

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Kalidor
Kalidor

Tavern Dweller
posted October 05, 2005 07:46 PM

No help here?  Does noone know or am I just disliked here...
Just kiddin'; hopefully Ill get an answer soon, I need to know

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TheFoeHammer
TheFoeHammer


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posted October 05, 2005 09:06 PM

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I am a tad lost on this one as well.
After any thunderbirds attack (successfully or not, I presume) a lighting of 9 occurs against the same stack (if they survived).
Is this a single attack?  Or can my opponent choose to "swat" with that lighting attack?

In other words, lets say I have a stack of wolves, 10 deep.
My wife attacks with her 2 thunderbirds.  She swats at 5 wolves, hits, killing 5 of them after rolling a 5 on her die.
Now the lightning goes off.  Does it simply automatically kill 1 and only 1 more wolf?  Or can she say, my lightning is going to swat 4 more wolves?  and then roll to see if successful?

Also, if those Thunderbirds attacked from the ranged line (due to flying)  my wolves could NOT retaliate, correct?

Thanks..sorry to be so confused, I just want to be sure and need clarification here!
Thanks in advance for any help!
Justin



I only have a partial answer, so I was waiting to let Startune cover it.

1) You can swat any number you choose on the Thunderbird Lightning attack. What I am unsure about is if it involves another roll, but I think it does.

2)A flying attack still moves up to the melee line after it attacks from the ranged line (except for certain creatures like Harpies who say otherwise), and where the attack is from has nothing to do with whether or not you can retaliate. If you attack with melee, which is what the Thunderbirds do, a target with a melee attack can retaliate. The only time you can't is if the trigger attacker says "no retaliation", or if you cannot respond in kind, i.e. ranged attack against a stack with no range or a spell.

Hope that clears up most of it, but hopefully Startune can help with whether or not you roll for the lightning.  

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doc8466
doc8466


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Event Coordinator Annapolis MD
posted October 06, 2005 01:34 AM

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Quote:
I am a tad lost on this one as well.
After any thunderbirds attack (successfully or not, I presume) a lighting of 9 occurs against the same stack (if they survived).
Is this a single attack?  Or can my opponent choose to "swat" with that lighting attack?

In other words, lets say I have a stack of wolves, 10 deep.
My wife attacks with her 2 thunderbirds.  She swats at 5 wolves, hits, killing 5 of them after rolling a 5 on her die.
Now the lightning goes off.  Does it simply automatically kill 1 and only 1 more wolf?  Or can she say, my lightning is going to swat 4 more wolves?  and then roll to see if successful?

Also, if those Thunderbirds attacked from the ranged line (due to flying)  my wolves could NOT retaliate, correct?

Thanks..sorry to be so confused, I just want to be sure and need clarification here!
Thanks in advance for any help!
Justin



I only have a partial answer, so I was waiting to let Startune cover it.

1) You can swat any number you choose on the Thunderbird Lightning attack. What I am unsure about is if it involves another roll, but I think it does.

2)A flying attack still moves up to the melee line after it attacks from the ranged line (except for certain creatures like Harpies who say otherwise), and where the attack is from has nothing to do with whether or not you can retaliate. If you attack with melee, which is what the Thunderbirds do, a target with a melee attack can retaliate. The only time you can't is if the trigger attacker says "no retaliation", or if you cannot respond in kind, i.e. ranged attack against a stack with no range or a spell.

Hope that clears up most of it, but hopefully Startune can help with whether or not you roll for the lightning.  


1) I interpret Thunderbirds Lightning Attack this way:  It has a Ranged Attack Score of 9, so no retaliation unless the targeted stack has ranged.  In the rule book it refers to the number next to the crossed swords (or the bow & arrow) as the "Melee/Ranged Attack Score".  You choose how many of a stack you are targeting, then roll just like it was any other attack.

2) I agree with TFH, the wolves can retaliate against the initial meele attack.

However, don't be confuesd by throwing in a spell attack.  A spell attack is not a ranged attack and can not retaliate against a ranged attack.

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thefoehammer
thefoehammer


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posted October 06, 2005 02:05 AM
Edited By: thefoehammer on 5 Oct 2005

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However, don't be confuesd by throwing in a spell attack.  A spell attack is not a ranged attack and can not retaliate against a ranged attack.


Yes, my wording was a little wierd. I was trying to say that a Spell cannot be retaliated against by either melee or ranged or even another spell.

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doc8466
doc8466


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Event Coordinator Annapolis MD
posted October 06, 2005 03:29 AM

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Quote:
However, don't be confuesd by throwing in a spell attack.  A spell attack is not a ranged attack and can not retaliate against a ranged attack.


Yes, my wording was a little wierd. I was trying to say that a Spell cannot be retaliated against by either melee or ranged or even another spell.


Well that clears it up nicely!  

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