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onomastikon
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posted November 30, 2005 03:12 PM |
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Anybody here have an opinion on Civilization IV?
Just curious what you think. I enjoyed CivIII for about 2 months before I started to dislike it, which is usually quick for me. I DLed the CivIV demo, but am not turned on. What does this community say?
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Angelspit
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Warrior of the Heavens
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posted November 30, 2005 03:53 PM |
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Reposted from the RT:
"I bought it two weeks ago. I played the first two Civ games until I got bored (didn't have much money for game back then), but I skipped the third game. Launching #4 for the first time brought pleasant memories. The graphics are nice, and 3D is used in a nice, unobstrusive way. However, it's nowhere near the impressive visuals of Heroes V or Age of Empires 3. But I don't mind, since the game will run just fine on a laptop because of that. I'm not sure exactly if culture and religion are new features of the fourth or third games, but they really change the way the game is played. You really feel intimidated when you see the large borders of a neighbor expanding in your direction, with a couple of Elephants moving around from time to time. The new technologies are interesting, but I'm not sure how they fit in the big picture yet -- I usually end up selecting the good old techs that sound familiar (writing, mathematics, gunpowder) first."
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ryu
Tavern Dweller
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posted December 01, 2005 09:18 AM |
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As a Civ player since 95, I think it is the best Civilization ever. Graphics, map controls, religion, civics, health and lots of other improvements/changes. It seems like perfect.
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TitaniumAlloy
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posted December 01, 2005 11:50 AM |
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It's good. I mean, I wouldn't call the graphics 'unobtrustive'... they kind of get in the way and it's hard to distinguish between the land and actual troops/buildings etc.. but apart from that it's really good.
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onomastikon
Hired Hero
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posted December 01, 2005 12:02 PM |
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Hey thanks so much for those replies.
I just checked the Demo, and couldn't really tell. The graphics seem ok, but I frankly am more interested in gameplay, and it seemed similar in the demo.
Religion seemed ... odd; almost as if it were a protoype idea. Although it seemed to have only a small functional effect, I didnt really like the idea that endorsing a State Religion was encouraged for most civics. Just seems so unsavory to me. (I like Liberalism in real life!)
Otherwise, it was sort of hard to tell how well the new things you mentioned worked, since there is no documentation with the demo and the Civlopedia (at least with the demo) makes no mention of worker actions (what good is a pasture exactly?), resources, health (what is it?), upkeep, maintenance, or the combat system.
My biggest gripe with Civ3 was that I had to play it like a wargame eventually -- I mean, as a wargame, I think it sucked, so I was happy to have a game in which I could be a diplomat and a builder, but I quickly found that all my cities were identical because there just wasnt anything interesting to build after a while, so I just had to amass tanks and bombers; the modern age was just so boring without war (and not much better with it). I had hopes that CivIV could change that, but it is hard to tell from the demo (only goes for 100 turns). What do you think?
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TitaniumAlloy
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posted December 01, 2005 03:47 PM |
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Well the religion isn't actually an Enforced state religion.. you have a main religion for each city in which you can build temples of that religion (or others, but it benefits you more if you build it of the cities' main religion) and missionaries. You also have a main country religion which decided which religion you will benefit from more.
For example:
Your three cities are Earth, Venus and Mars.
Earth and Venus are Christian, but Mars is Muslim mainly.
You choose your main country religion as Christianity, so that you will benefit more from Earth and Venus but less from Mars.
You can build temples for any religion, but in Earth and Venus you build Christian Churches which benefit you because your state and city religions are Christian. However, in Muslim Mars you build a Mosque and two Muslim Missionaries. You can then send these Missionaries to Earth and Venus to spread Islam and eventually convert them.
You can then change your main religion to Islam or whatever. You get the point? You get cultural/financial/economic benefits the whole lot from religion, as well as effects on diplomacy.
Or you can get Free Religion to make it better to have as many religions as possible.
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onomastikon
Hired Hero
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posted December 02, 2005 08:36 PM |
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Thanks TA.
I think I understood most of that -- however, my question pertained to the last option.
Lets look at your example again: IIUC, there is no incentive for any player whose state religion is, say, Christianity, to develop that Islam in his other city and to have that brought to his first two (Christian) cities. And IIUC, 4 out of the 5 civics give the player an incentive to have a state religion -- only Free Religion doesnt (is that right??). And Free Religion requires a late tech (Liberalism). I dont know what benefits are better (having Free Religion and lots of religs in your cities or having State Religion and all your cities uniform), but IIUC you will have an incentive to develop a state religion for the most part of the game before getting Liberalism, then your cities will BE (because of the abovementioned incentive) uniform, and hence it will then also be difficult to switch to Free Religion anyhow -- or am I missing something?
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Drakon-Deus
Undefeatable Hero
Qapla'
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posted December 18, 2005 09:30 AM |
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Civ 3 conquests
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Just curious what you think. I enjoyed CivIII for about 2 months before I started to dislike it, which is usually quick for me. I DLed the CivIV demo, but am not turned on. What does this community say?
Forget the demo,man try getting Civ 3 Conquests,one of the best Civ games[my opinion]
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miru
Supreme Hero
A leaf in the river of time
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posted January 01, 2006 10:18 PM |
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I have the game, but my graphics card isn't good enough for it.
Theres a new (as comapared to CIV 2, I didn't play 3) reaserch tree, with get this OR this to unlock this, a promotions upgrade tree, each individual race has different benefits, each leader has benefits, Each town can have each kind of religiion (mars could have buddist, muslim, AND christanity), each religion has one holy city, resourses have benefits and any towns connected by roads share benefits, technology religion resource benefits and more can spread between towns connected by roads, theres too much to name!
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ByteBandit
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Famous Hero
Soul Merchant
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posted January 21, 2006 07:25 AM |
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I just bought Civ 3 Complete and have been blown away by it. Now I'm DLing Mods for it and enjoying it even more. I don't think my laptop can handle Civ 4 although I do like the graphics.
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bjorn190
Responsible
Supreme Hero
Jebus maker
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posted January 21, 2006 11:16 AM |
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Civilization 4 is a great game, the best civ imo, but it got boring for me after a while
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