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Xarfax111
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posted December 17, 2005 03:24 AM

For the cute gurl from CANADA...

I know a very cute gurl from CANADA. So i was interested in this country, as it really far away from here. So i wanted the BEST infos about CANADA that the world provides. So what is the best source if u want to know somethin? YES, the US Television...here a little video what i found:

http://gprime.net/video.php/foxoncanada




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posted December 17, 2005 04:51 AM

LOL, Anne Coulter, the loudest-mouthed right-wing
ah, COC clicks in, can't say it here.
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posted December 17, 2005 05:07 AM

Hey!

Don't talk about Wolfman's step-sister like that!  
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posted December 17, 2005 01:07 PM bonus applied.

Garbage like this is exactly the reason I don't watch the news.  The other people half legitimized her by actually arguing with her.....like it was some kind of intelligent debate.  Controversy gets viewership, that's all it is.  If nobody watches, it'll go away.

There's been three times in my life when I've gone 2-3 years without even owning a TV.  When you first watch the news after that long it's a shock.  Try it sometime.  Keep the TV off for a long time and get your news by looking around you.  Look at your neighbors.  Look at the people at the grocery store or at work.  Sure you'll see some people doing some dumb things, maybe see some people you don't even like, but most likely they're not "bad" people....nothing like the ones you see on the news.  Are your neighbors decent people? Not perfect, but decent?  If you have a problem, will they come help you?  Would you help them?  Do they just want to go to work and make a decent living, then come home at night and play with their children, go out and mow the lawn, or work in the garden?  Do they go camping on weekends, or watch football?  Do they cry when they lose a loved one?  Do you walk over and help them work on their car?  Do they like to laugh and tell jokes?

I read a book recently.  It was a true story about a guy in the Vietnam war.  After a year in Vietnam he spent another year in a remote part of Thailand.  One time he was out traveling the countryside and met a couple out working in the rice fields with their son and daughter.  He told them he was from America and they never even heard of America.  Their life was hard, barely able to feed themselves.  But they were happy.  They laughed and loved their children.  They enjoyed the company of a stranger, even if he did look different.  They were members of the human race, and the things that were truely important to them were the same things that are important to people around the world....now and throughout history....loving their children, making the best of their lives, laughing and playing.

That describes 99% of the people in the world.  The TV shows us the other 1%.  Turn the TV off and the world will seem a far better place....because it is.  It's what *WE* do that matters.  The bad things in the world will still happen, it always has, and it always will.  We don't have to achieve sainthood, but as long as the other 99% of us live decent lives we will always overcome the 1% bad.  Turn off the TV and look around, because what you see is the place where your contribution to the world will be made.  And that contribution is a VERY powerful force.

Anne who? Forget about her, she's not even important.

In the winter I shovel the snow for the old lady across the street.  She always gives me cookies and $20 when I do.  I try to give the money back, but she insists.  I don't care about the money, but the cookies sure are good.  Her name is Maggie. And unlike Amy or Anne or whatever her name is, Maggie *IS* important, she's the 99%.  As long as Maggie and Hilda and Kim Lee and Jose and Farouk exist in the world, Anne doesn't matter.

Anne who? Forget about her, she's not even important.
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posted December 17, 2005 05:01 PM
Edited by pandora at 19:57, 15 May 2006.

Blah... watching that stuff is not a good way to start the day...makes me want to vomit

I'd rather go tie up the dogs and do some sleddering
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posted December 17, 2005 06:03 PM

Wow..I think those two should be lined up and shot.

However, Canada DOES owe us an apology for Alanis Morrisette and Celine Dion :-P
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posted December 17, 2005 06:40 PM

Hey, there's nothing wrong with watching TV. Some of the cartoons are great
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Vlaad
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posted December 17, 2005 06:41 PM bonus applied.

I strongly disagree.

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Garbage like this is exactly the reason I don't watch the news.  The other people half legitimized her by actually arguing with her.....like it was some kind of intelligent debate.  Controversy gets viewership, that's all it is.  If nobody watches, it'll go away.

Really? Did Nazism go away because it wasn't broadcast live? I don't think so.

Actually, it reminds me of what the ostrich does...

Unfortunately, I had a chance to see it for myself.

As some of you might know, I come from Serbia. In the 1990s my countrymen decided to turn the blind eye on the things they saw on the evening news. During the civil war in neighboring Bosnia and Croatia, the times were hard anyway and everybody was doing their best to make ends meet. The war was elsewhere, hundreds of miles away... Even when the conflict broke out in Kosovo in 1998, it was still far. Sadly, it took NATO bombs to hear the wake up call.

Oh, I know - it always happens to somebody else: in Bosnia, Chechnya, Iraq...

Not in New York.

Not in London.

Not in YOUR neighborhood.

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There's been three times in my life when I've gone 2-3 years without even owning a TV.  When you first watch the news after that long it's a shock.  Try it sometime.  Keep the TV off for a long time and get your news by looking around you.

Ignorance is bliss.

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Look at your neighbors.  Look at the people at the grocery store or at work.  Sure you'll see some people doing some dumb things, maybe see some people you don't even like, but most likely they're not "bad" people....nothing like the ones you see on the news.

Bad people are imaginary. They do not live in anybody's neighbourhood, they exist only on TV. Turn it off and they will disappear.

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Are your neighbors decent people? Not perfect, but decent?  If you have a problem, will they come help you?  Would you help them?  Do they just want to go to work and make a decent living, then come home at night and play with their children, go out and mow the lawn, or work in the garden?  Do they go camping on weekends, or watch football?  Do they cry when they lose a loved one?  Do you walk over and help them work on their car?  Do they like to laugh and tell jokes?

Sure. Some of them also lie, cheat, steal, fight, kill, vote for Bush.

Besides, not everyone lives in Suburbia.

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I read a book recently.  It was a true story about a guy in the Vietnam war.  After a year in Vietnam he spent another year in a remote part of Thailand.  One time he was out traveling the countryside and met a couple out working in the rice fields with their son and daughter.  He told them he was from America and they never even heard of America.  Their life was hard, barely able to feed themselves.  But they were happy.  They laughed and loved their children.  They enjoyed the company of a stranger, even if he did look different.  They were members of the human race, and the things that were truely important to them were the same things that are important to people around the world....now and throughout history....loving their children, making the best of their lives, laughing and playing.

So do the people who watch TV.

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That describes 99% of the people in the world.

Could you please post the link to the survey you are refferring to? Or perhaps that statement was based on your personal experience?

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The TV shows us the other 1%.

Television shows everything and anything...

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Turn the TV off and the world will seem a far better place...

Yes, it will SEEM a far better place...

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Anne who? Forget about her, she's not even important.

She is VERY important. She and all other Annes should be fought against every day. For the sake of all Maggies and their cookies...

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posted December 17, 2005 09:14 PM

ahem...

what Vlaad said... with one objection ...TV doesn't show everything... if that was the case, there would be something worth watching ...for more than a few weeks at a time
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posted December 18, 2005 03:08 AM

Here's what I say to Ann:
http://cwd.ptbcanadian.com/index2.html
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posted December 18, 2005 03:18 AM

lmaoooooooo


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posted December 18, 2005 03:21 AM

AAAAAAH! Damn it, i missed a big point:

"They speak french"

Oh geez thats mean. I dun like CANs anymore.

Oh you CANs go away (probably for some "dog slendering").


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posted December 18, 2005 03:29 AM

Vlaad

You're taking me too literally and missing the point.  I'm not saying to stick your head in the sand like the ostrich.  I'm saying that the news is highly concentrated with the bad in the world.  We're bombarded with the negative stuff on a daily basis.  It's a choice we make to look around us and see there's more to it than that.

Am I stating the obvious that there's also good in the world?  Yes.  The point is to REALLY look.  I stated that there's always been wars in the world.....there have been thousands of them.  But mankind is still here, we have survived.  Why have we survived?  The decent people you see when you look around are the reason.  If any significant portion of the population turned to the "dark side", the world would be a far worse place.

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In the 1990s my countrymen decided to turn the blind eye on the things they saw on the evening news.


What would you have done?  More importantly, *WHY* would you want to do something.  If all the people around you were "bad" people, would you even care what happened?  Is looking around you and seeing generally good people the reason you care?  I'm not saying you should turn a blind eye.  I'm asking why it matters.  Is there something worth protecting?  If the news were representative of the whole, it might not be worth protecting.  But the news isn't representative, the ones you see when you look around are the ones worth protecting.  

Yes, wars happen.  And it's unfortunate you've had to live through it.  I realize that understates the reality, I'm definitely not trying to trivialize it or even pretend to understand it without having lived through it.

But maybe the war strengthens my argument, not weakens it.  When the bombs are dropping and a person is running for their life, do they stop to help someone up who has fallen?  In a Nazi concentration camp, do you think prisoners gave comfort and a sip of water to a dying man?  Even under the most terrible conditions they don't give in to the dark side.  They have the strength of decency to help their fellows.  Even if every one of them died and nobody knew about it, did they contribute to a better world?  I think so, because if they didn't help their fellows it would have been worse.  More importantly, it illustrates the same strength that resides in people as a whole.  That strength is the reason mankind is still around after all the wars and tyrants.  If that strength didn't exist, and in large quantities, where would we be now?  I don't know, but it would be worse.

When I said I was shocked watching the news, I wasn't shocked to suddenly find out there were murders and wars happening in the world.  You don't need a TV to know that.  I was shocked at the negativity and concentration of it.  A story of murder, followed by the man wanted for rape, followed by the people killed in war, followed by the priest molesting children.  Yes that stuff happens, but it's not the rule, it's the exception to the rule.  

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She is VERY important. She and all other Annes should be fought against every day.


This was (originally) my entire point.  How do you fight her?  The ONLY power she has is viewership.  She thrives on controversy.  Calling into a talk show or writing a letter to the editor about her only fuels her.  The best way to fight her is to ignore her, she's not important.  *SHE* thinks she's important, but I'm not going to feed her ego by agreeing with her.  When she's on her soapbox spewing her nonsense, then looks around and realizes nobody's listening.....

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I'd rather go tie up the dogs and do some sledding


Enjoy yourself.  And take comfort in the knowledge that us Americans will watch over you.

Oh yea, if you guys want to keep Canada in North American, that's OK with me.  Or if you want to move it to South America or something, I guess that's OK too.  But I'm curious.  If you decide to move it, what will be there afterwards?  An ocean or something?  You see, I always wanted to live near the ocean.  No, no, no, don't take me wrong, you can stay if you want, I was just curious.

Oh, one more thing.  You're not going to take magnetic north with you are you are you?  I'm kind of used to my compass pointing north.....but then, I'm kind of used to it pointing to Canada too......hmmmm, I guess there's still the north star......hey, wait a minute, you're not taking the north star are you?
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posted December 18, 2005 10:21 AM
Edited By: Vlaad on 18 Dec 2005

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Vlaad

You're taking me too literally and missing the point.

Obviously, but I'm afraid such misunderstandings are common online (or in any other form of written correspondence for that matter). I guess it was the tone of your missive and the way you had phrased it... I had a bad deja vu.

On the other hand, I'll let it be; my answer was not to you personally anyway, but to all passivists out there.  

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Yes, wars happen.  And it's unfortunate you've had to live through it.  I realize that understates the reality, I'm definitely not trying to trivialize it or even pretend to understand it without having lived through it.

It's OK. If anyone was trivializing anything, it was me.

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But maybe the war strengthens my argument, not weakens it.  When the bombs are dropping and a person is running for their life, do they stop to help someone up who has fallen?

My point is that when the bombs start falling, it's already too late...

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When I said I was shocked watching the news, I wasn't shocked to suddenly find out there were murders and wars happening in the world.  You don't need a TV to know that.

What about ethnic cleansing in Bosnia? I seriously doubt it.

I might be taking you too literally again, though.

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I was shocked at the negativity and concentration of it.  A story of murder, followed by the man wanted for rape, followed by the people killed in war, followed by the priest molesting children.  Yes that stuff happens, but it's not the rule, it's the exception to the rule.

Oh, you mean something like "hundreds were murdered today, but billions survived"?

Seriously though, I agree with you. Although my message is still don't happy, be worry.

 

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She is VERY important. She and all other Annes should be fought against every day.


This was (originally) my entire point.  How do you fight her?  The ONLY power she has is viewership.  She thrives on controversy.  Calling into a talk show or writing a letter to the editor about her only fuels her.  The best way to fight her is to ignore her, she's not important.  *SHE* thinks she's important, but I'm not going to feed her ego by agreeing with her.  When she's on her soapbox spewing her nonsense, then looks around and realizes nobody's listening.....

I disagree. The viewership is not her only power. As I've already mentioned, there were extremists and tyrants way before mass media. The fact is nowadays you can confront them on every TV station, letter column and Internet forum. You can sway the ever silent majority that you keep overestimating.

The man is a zoon politikon, not a lamb for slaughter.

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posted December 18, 2005 09:44 PM

While still living with my mother I've started to strongly dislike the TV and haven't owned or had one since I've moved out about 4 years ago. I also don't like newspapers. But my viewpoint seems to differ a bit from both of yours.

I think TV is a tool, which can be used very powerfully to educate people and deepen their ethics and understanding. But currently it is used mostly to busy people's minds with crap and make them want stuff. The news on TV are sponsored by insurance companies, enough said

A point should be made that I live in New Zealand, which is quite a peaceful place by world standards. And on average not terribly educated. First 13 years of my life I've lived in Russia - during communism and after.

I don't like television because when we watch it, we devote a significant part of our consciousness to it - we see and think in our mind what is displayed on TV. I don't like the images and thoughts that I presently see being displayed on television, so I don't watch it. It's like not eating food which I find disgusting. Matter of personal preference. I don't like to eat crap, the same applies to the mind.

As for being aware of what's happening in the world. Personally to me, most of those big bad things happen far away. Also I can't do much about them. So I like to focus on places where I can and do make a difference, HC for instance, or my garden. It's going to do more than devoting half an hour to negative thoughts about Bush and the world situation.

That is a bit ignorant you could say, and I agree. I'm not really interested in large stupidities that meet two conditions: 1) they don't affect me 2) I don't affect them.

At the same time I like to know information about what is in my life, even about companies whose products I buy - are they ethical? should I sponsor them with my purchases? Also I like to know about the city that I live in, and like to throw in a bit of feedback to officials about air pollution and things like that. I can't do much about Bush, but I can do something about how much rubbish I send to the tip every week.

As for the people, I haven't watched TV for a long time, but I strongly disagree with the 99/1% figure. I'd rather agree with the 1/99%.

I have worked as a retail business manager for the last couple of years (just finished). From my previous experience in life I thought people are pretty bad, but I shouldn't be so negative. After being in business I realised that even my negative assumptions have not been negative enough to reflect what many people are like. It's all nice having a friendly talk with them, etc, but when it comes to money, when they work for you, you see a lot of lies, manipulation, and covert (or not) hostility, and complete lack of consideration.

I have also been with organisations that want to transform people and the world for better, and actually have the tools to do so. After looking in depth, there are the same lies and manipulation.

I suppose it's a gift now to be able to tell good people from liars/manipulators/self-centered people. And good people are very rare. And often they are only good in certain ways, to their family and neighbours for instance, but to others may be very hostile in particular situations.

And perhaps most importantly, TV plays a large part in this - people don't have a center. Most of them are just actors of what they are supposed to be, putting on the show and supressing the shadow, which comes out from time to time. I don't really see people who take on to find who they really are inside - venture out of the norm makes them fear loss of acceptance from their peers, and from themselves, because their sense of self is derrived from their peers.

Mainly it's tempting to see the side of people that smiles and gives cookies, but what if you are their landlord or boss or husband or person of opposing viewpoint? If that doesn't change anything than I believe you've found a good person. But most often it does.

I've learned that good people never say how good they are or claim to be a Christian, Buddhist or whatever. People who do that often need to cover up their badness. Good people just choose to do good in many opportunities every day, and don't make a deal out of it. People who complain about how bad everything is often don't do anything to make it better, they just talk. I respect people who quietly choose what they think is best for the whole in their everyday actions. The whole is a view of the planet, and all the beings on it, including the individual, as one interdependent system, as opposed to self-centered separatist viewpoint.

I think people doing good for others can often be a selfish ego trip - "look at how good, humble and unselfish I am!" I think authentic goodness comes from expanded concept of selfishness, an experiential understanding that I, other people, beings and the planet are one interdependent system. Such an understanding makes one realise that by harming any other part of the system, they are harming themselves, and by doing good to another part of the system, they are doing good to themselves. The whole concept of I / not I gradually fades.

Heh a bit of theorising, not saying I'm there myself
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posted December 18, 2005 10:18 PM

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I think people doing good for others can often be a selfish ego trip - "look at how good, humble and unselfish I am!" I think authentic goodness comes from expanded concept of selfishness, an experiential understanding that I, other people, beings and the planet are one interdependent system. Such an understanding makes one realise that by harming any other part of the system, they are harming themselves, and by doing good to another part of the system, they are doing good to themselves. The whole concept of I / not I gradually fades.

Heh a bit of theorising, not saying I'm there myself


A bit of theorising you say...  Personally I feel a holistic view on life and reality as the one you display by what you say above automatically leads to a life of greater awareness and consciousness.

That doesn't automatically make you a better person, we all have both the best and the worst of the human race inside of us.  But atleast it ensures that the choices you make are more oftenly weighed by that holistic frame than when you act purely from the ego.

Atleast in my eyes that's a good point to start from

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posted December 19, 2005 01:48 AM

Bla, bla, bla.

The only way to go is Kant's deontology.

You need to recognize and adhere to the moral law inside you. Act from and according to the categorical imperative. This way, we shall reach the kingdom of ends.
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posted December 19, 2005 10:35 AM

I don't know Kant that well but I disagree with what you say.  First off calling his theories the only way is a dangerous path to walk, why don't you let people decide that for themselves?

Secondly, though forming a moral law code, which Kant is all about if I'm not mistaking, might lead to similar conclusions as a truly holistic approach, eventually it will fail.  Any rule, any law is only applicable within a certain context and at a given time.  After that time or beyond that context, it should be re-evaluated before use.  If it is not re-evaluated, how can you be sure that the situation, the people and the broader context influenced by that rule did not change, making application of that rule or law inaccurate or worse even immoral?

Now if you start balancing every action you take against this ethical frame no matter if the situation is new or old, what use do rules and laws still have?  Well then my conclusion is that it is infinitely better to make this judging and weighing aspect an automatically triggered moral aspect of yourself than to rely on rules defined by yourself earlier or rules defined by others.


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posted December 20, 2005 02:18 PM

The only problem with people like Anne Coulter having the right to be on tv is that it wouldn`t surprise me to find out that the majority of americans hear what she says and say to themselves: 'hey she`s right!'  

..dem dang Canadians sure is lucky to be livin`here on this same continent as us Yanks!  (uh.. what`s continent?)  
HONEY!  get me my there riffle so as I can go invade d`em canucks!



(sounds like lee right??)


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posted December 20, 2005 03:09 PM

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..erm?! ..arent we nazi germans supposed to do this job? Ok, this time we would gang up with some french legionaires and a handful riot-proofed english hooligans to do it ..not those italians and austrians again (we already lost two wars with them). My guess is that the CANs wont even noticed that theyve got invaded (this land is too big and they are too much into dog sleddering). Of course we would pretend to "free them" (everybody would know we did it for Canadian oil). And of course we wont win this war, we didnt want anyway, we just wanted to give good ol Bushy a hard time and the war he seems to want to make him "important" to history (and not just another bj-clinton-president).
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