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Heroes Community > Library of Enlightenment > Thread: Heroes 3 Town Rating -INFERNO-
Thread: Heroes 3 Town Rating -INFERNO- This thread is 10 pages long: 1 2 3 4 5 6 7 8 9 10 · «PREV / NEXT»
JungleMan
JungleMan


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Funkenstein
posted January 09, 2007 08:50 PM

I don't hate nor like inferno. It's among weaker towns.
Familiars, magogs, cerberi and demons suck - very bad, maybe the worst lvl1 - lvl4 units.
Efreet sultans are one of the best lvl6 monsters, maybe just 10 extra hp.
Archdevils are little to expensive. My opinion is that gold and black dragon are better. Low damage, low hp but no enemy retaliation, also very fast.
I don't agree tahat pit lords are so bad, they have good special. What do you think about master genie(perfect special)? He's good, isn't he? But I think pit lords would kick their asses. So they are not that bad.

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tenzor
tenzor


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posted January 09, 2007 10:08 PM

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...The demons ......are also weak...

Skeleton as single unit is also weak....it's the number which makes them so strong.


... and its the necromancy which makes their number so high

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Jkwo
Jkwo


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posted January 10, 2007 07:09 AM

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Familiars, magogs, cerberi and demons suck - very bad, maybe the worst lvl1 - lvl4 units.


I would actually consider cerberi to be the best level 3 creatures.

As for demons, they're not the best by a long shot, but I wouldn't say they're so bad.
Lots of people find Silver Pegasi to be a reasonably useful fourth level unit, but Horned Demons have 1 more attack, the same defense, 2 more damage, and 10 more health.. and after all that, they cost 5 less gold than the Pegasi. Not as mobile, but you can't have everything. And then you can boost their numbers beyond that of any other lvl 4 stack thanks to herding, so..
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JungleMan
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Funkenstein
posted January 10, 2007 10:12 AM

Cerberi surely isn't the best lvl3 unit. Royal griffin, iron golem, even beholder... Only good thing is that enemies cannot retaliate.

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william
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LummoxLewis
posted January 10, 2007 10:23 AM

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Ok, I can soooort of see how having 500 imps is possible when you have the grail (banned in most multiplayer games) on an XXXXXXXXXL map, but aren't you supposed to win when you have the grail, anyways?

Oh, and FYI, william: the best use for those 500 imps would be to get converted to demons (preferably when you have a few +health artifacts).


Oi Russ, I don't play much multiplayer games, so how am I supposed to know that?

Having the grail doesnt necassarily mean you will win, it is the strategies and tactis that the player has that could decide that, but the grail might make it easier to win.
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JungleMan
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Funkenstein
posted January 10, 2007 12:36 PM

If you play singleplayer and collect grail you have to win. That's great advantage, since you can easily defeat comp without grail.

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william
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LummoxLewis
posted January 10, 2007 01:09 PM

But in multiplayer, against Human opponents if you have the grail you might win, but the human opponent might have some tricks up his sleeve, and counter your grail advantage with some good tactics.
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Jkwo
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posted January 11, 2007 04:47 AM

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Cerberi surely isn't the best lvl3 unit. Royal griffin, iron golem, even beholder... Only good thing is that enemies cannot retaliate.

I don't want to stretch out this not-entirely-on-topic conversation any further, so I'll just back up my opinion, then be on my way.
The cerberi basically have the same total stat distribution as the royal griffins and stone golems, with the key differences being health and speed. Golems have 10 more health than either of the others, while the other two are much faster (griffin 1 more speed than cerberus).
For me, the deciding factor is no retaliation.. it's a humongous deal any way you look at it. It's the reason that the statistically weak ADs are the 3rd strongest fighter vs. other level 7s after AAs and ABs. I invite you to test it out if you don't believe me.
Then the 3 headed attack is priceless as well, in crowded situations. Attack 2 or maybe 3 stacks and receive no damage in return? Where do I sign up?
The royal griffins, on the other hand, have always frustrated me, because their exceptional special is all but wasted on a creature so low on the food chain. If you don't have a ridiculous stack of them, their retaliations become worthless very quickly as they're cut down in huge numbers by the enemy.
As for the golems, they're pretty slow, but their immunities and cheapness might puts them around the same usefulness as cerberi, or maybe even higher. But I'd call either better than the griffins, and I can't understand someone calling cerberi among the worst level 3s.
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JungleMan
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Funkenstein
posted January 11, 2007 12:17 PM

I haven't said cerberi are the worst lvl3 unit, but combination of familiars, magogs, cerberi and horned demons are one of the worst. Forgot to say, best lvl3 unit is ice elemental. I'm sure nobody will allow you 3headed attack.
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Archdevils are little to expensive. My opinion is that gold and black dragon are better. Low damage, low hp but no enemy retaliation, also very fast.


Have I said anywhere that AD is bad? No, they are little to expensive (4,5kgold + 2mercury), low hp (200, isn't that low for lvl7?), high speed (17, I think) and that's it. No retaliation makes AD great for 1v1. Btw, gold dragon is stronger then AD (higher speed, 18).

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angelito
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posted January 11, 2007 12:56 PM

Gold dragon is slower than Archdevil, has only 50 hp more and can't retail...not sure they are better then..
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JungleMan
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Funkenstein
posted January 11, 2007 02:23 PM

Wtf is wrong with me? Sorry for posting false informations. First, I stated that BD wins AB, an now that GD is faster then AD... :_(

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HeymlicH
HeymlicH


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posted January 11, 2007 02:36 PM

Actually I really dislike the Gold Dragon. I wouldn't say it is the worst L7, but it is the one with the worst design. "Hey implode me, I can't be revived." Only good thing about them is the speed, so you can at least get one attack out of it before it implodes

I think the Gold Dragon is the reason why I dislike rampart. I like and play all other of the original tribes, but rampart I only play when I'm really bored and desperately looking for something different. Unfortunately, rampart has the best heroes

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angelito
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posted January 11, 2007 03:41 PM

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...Unfortunately, rampart has the best heroes
You sure about that?
And u will find many heroes in the tavern of a rampart town. No need to make the starting hero your main..
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HeymlicH
HeymlicH


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posted January 11, 2007 03:50 PM

especially if you don't select a starting hero rampart is nice. There are so many good ones, you can almost be sure to get one of them. In fact with rampart I always play random - I just can't decide

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JungleMan
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Funkenstein
posted January 11, 2007 04:18 PM

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Actually I really dislike the Gold Dragon. I wouldn't say it is the worst L7, but it is the one with the worst design. "Hey implode me, I can't be revived." Only good thing about them is the speed, so you can at least get one attack out of it before it implodes

Why everybody talks about implosion while discussing(don't know if it's written ok) about gold dragons. 6 towns have lvl5 mage guild, only one 5th level spell appears in it (except tower), so chance of having implosion is not big. You can cast implosion on most lvl7 creatures. Yeah, you cannot ressurect gold dragons, but that doesn't mean he's bad. Black dragons cannot be ressurected either.

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angelito
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posted January 11, 2007 07:40 PM

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...There are so many good ones, you can almost be sure to get one of them. In fact with rampart I always play random - I just can't decide

Aeris, Alagar, Uland, Coronius, Elleshar, Gem, Malcom, Melodia, Ufretin, Thorgrim, Ryland.....etc..
Ivor, Kyrre, Mephala.
But maybe it is just a matter of taste...
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maretti
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posted January 11, 2007 10:56 PM

Imho Thorgrim is actually not that bad. You would think twice using implo against him in a main fight and that spell wins many games. His great weakness is black orb though, which reduces him to a below average might hero.

In generel I have to agree that ramp heroes are slightly below average.
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Jkwo
Jkwo


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posted January 12, 2007 01:31 AM
Edited by Jkwo at 01:46, 12 Jan 2007.

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I haven't said cerberi are the worst lvl3 unit, but combination of familiars, magogs, cerberi and horned demons are one of the worst. Forgot to say, best lvl3 unit is ice elemental. I'm sure nobody will allow you 3headed attack.


Ah, I misunderstood then. I would choose stronghold for the worst 1-4, personally, and far and away for worst 1-3. If we're solely talking about fighting ability, I believe you'd have to give the magogs more credit than you do, but if you're including other factors, you really should include the large potential sizes of demon stacks compared to other lvl 4s. You may hate one for frying allies and the other for average stats + no special, but if you just call both of them terrible, I see it as completely leaving their merits out of the story.

And I don't understand why anyone would include conflux units in these comparisons.. specifically the first four elementals. All of them are close to equal all things considered, and were seemingly placed in various level slots of conflux arbitrarily. A storm elemental can potentially beat a magma elemental in 1v1 combat. And few people use conflux in serious battle. So IMO it's kind of silly to compare them to other monsters of "the same level".
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HeymlicH
HeymlicH


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posted January 12, 2007 12:37 PM

@Thorgrim: Errm, the black orb shouldn't help against his special. It is only working on creatures resistences. I'm quite sure you still can use anti magic, and I think also the resistence skill worked, but I'm not 100% sure - was a long time ago I tried this.

@other heroes: one of the easiest games I ever played was when I started with Ryland.

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angelito
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posted January 12, 2007 01:26 PM
Edited by angelito at 13:30, 12 Jan 2007.

You should try black orb and Thorgrim...then u'll see.
And playing with diplo may be fun, but has nothing to do with skill. A 5 year old blind girl can win a game with Ryland vs comp...(hope u don't take offense here...i'm not refering to you!)
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